tren/prop

[brjrj0000]

1-17 test prop 100mg ed
5-13 tren ace 50-75mg ed (1st time with tren so i will see what i can handle)

6'0 190 bf 11ish
cut in 2.5 months from 240-185 for spring break vacation
i believe my body is in some kind of catabolic state because even as i increase my calories and cut cardio i keep losing strength so i started cycle a couple weeks early.

started the prop a couple days ago

todays workout
chest

one of my major goals for this cycle is to better develope my chest. and get my bench back around 400 (where it was at after my first cycle)\
havent been doing bench often however todays workout i decided to focus on bench.
keep in mind before cutting i could do 225x28 275x14 315x8

THIS IS NOT WHAT MY NORMAL CHEST WORKOUT LOOKS LIKE!
Today
135x10
225x6
275x2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
225x10
185x8
155x8
135X15

CABLE FLYS
4X10
MACHINE FLYS
4X10

I can not believe my loss in stregnth. i dont feel like ive lost as much size a i have strength. hopefully muscle memory will take over when this prop kicks in. HOPEFULLY

135x

[king6]

That's a long time to use tren , I would stick to 8 weeks, and no more than 10.

[brjrj0000]

5-13 is 9 maybe ill drop it down to 5-12 or 6-13 then

[king6]

5-13 is 9 maybe ill drop it down to 5-12 or 6-13 then

I missed that part. I would run it from the begining. This is what I am running for my second cycle.

Test Prop
75mg/ed 1-10

Tren Ace
50mg/ed 1-8

Masteron
75mg/ed 1-10

I might adjust the doses if the gains are not sufficient. Also might take the tren to 10 weeks, it all ***ends on how it goes.

[Mighty Joe]

I missed that part. I would run it from the begining. This is what I am running for my second cycle.

Test Prop
75mg/ed 1-10

Tren Ace
50mg/ed 1-8

Masteron
75mg/ed 1-10

I might adjust the doses if the gains are not sufficient. Also might take the tren to 10 weeks, it all ***ends on how it goes.

Whats your PCT protocol with this cycle? I'll be starting the saame cycle on May 1st as well.

MJ

[king6]

Whats your PCT protocol with this cycle? I'll be starting the saame cycle on May 1st as well.

MJ

Clomid, Nolva, HCG .

Normal clomid and nolva dose, and then probably about 500IU/week of HCG.

[juiceball44]

why cycle so long? I bet you will get better (longterm) results with 2 shorter cycles (8-10 week) than one long one cycle

on a side note i am doing the exact same cycle but with winny also, just started the prop going to add in the tren soon, can't wait!! oh and how long you run the tren ***ends on the sides, if they arn't bad keep it going

[brjrj0000]

if the gains stop towards the end ill probably ill probably the cycle i just want to run it throughout summer followed by a massive pct and an increase in calories

[juiceball44]

Ya I can't wait for summer my abs are busting out and im on jack shit right now, I can't imagine when on tren . You plan on running an AI like letro and clen and/or t3 to get shredded?

Letro helps with prolactin related sides from tren as well as keeping you shredded and t3 helps with thyroid sides from tren also. I plan on running both with my tren/prop/winny cycle

[brjrj0000]

i was thinking about running t3 while i run the tren however wasnt sure if it would affect my gains

[juiceball44]

research it bro, alot of people run t3 with tren and still get great gains. just keep the dose kinda low and make sure your diet is on point.

What are your goals from this cycle?

[brjrj0000]

alright cool i was planing on it but i just heard things about it being catabolic. i am however a fan of clen ........(what are my goals)basically lean mass which i know your not supposed to expect to gain and cut at the same time. but given the compounds i hope hope to drop my body fat about 2-3 more percent nothing major. I guess i really want to get cut up and hopefully my strength will come back from that massive weightloss i had.

[juiceball44]

I believe it will be possiable to gain size and strength while dropping bodyfat with those compounds and some hard work.

I have the same goals as you if you want to compare results I am just started a members picture thread with me now on nothing (started prop 2 days ago) and will update it weekly

[brjrj0000]

i hope so ill be keeping an eye on your progress

[brjrj0000]

yesturdays meal
i know you all are gonna hate how many protien shakes are in here
Ran out of my normal chicken breast and had to work and eat on the run
(normaly not as many protien shakes)
picked up some chicken for the rest of the week right after i got off of work

meal 1
whey protein 220cal
1 cup of oats 300cal

meal 2
whey protien 220
peanut butter 300

workout

meal 3
pwo
whey protien 220cal
orange juice, and banana 220

meal 4
left over chicken 230
sugar snap peas 150

AT WORK
meal 5
meal replacement 240

meal 6
meal replacement 240

meal 7
whey protien 340
peanut butter 300

middle of the night snack
meal 8
peanut butter 100

(APROX!) (cals 3080) (pro 360g) (carbs 150g) (fat 75g)

Workout
Arms

preacher curls
95x15 135x10 135x8 115x10 95x10
straight bar extensions
4 sets 70x10

Straightbar curls
4 sets 95x10
skull crushers
4 sets 95x10

incline dumbell
4 sets 30x10
triangle extension
4x10 90lbs

cable curls
4sets 60x10

light cardio
15 minutes cut short by me thinking i locked my keys in my car

all in all rough day
felt like shit towards end of work had a major headache

however im excited for this stuff to kick in.... day 5 is tomorrow

[king6]

Fuk it. I know most people say get your protein from food, but protein is protein. As long as you are getting it, who cares what form it is in. I use shakes alot, because they are fast, and I can take them anywhere. If I didn't have a full time job, and went to school full time, then I would get my protein from food. But this is just easier.

[juiceball44]

diet is kinda crappy you only ate one source of protein from whole foods. I am a broke college student so I have limited food funds but i still get 5 meals with real protein.

I stock up on eggs 3 dozen or more a week,
pork chops (usually under $2 a pound and good for protein+fat meal)
Tuna chunklight 50 cent cans (stay away from starkist, winn dixie brand actually not bad)
Cheap steak sometimes around $2-3 a lb
chicken breast/tenders when on sale 1.99 a lb at albersons I buy a shitload

Cook a bunch at once and snack on them at work

[brjrj0000]

well i did say i normally do not drink as many protien shakes just hadnt hit the store. but would you explain why so called "Real protien" is better than shakes

[brjrj0000]

today

meal 1

protien 220
cup of oats 300

meal 2
eggs 450

workout
pwo meal 3
protien 220
pineapple juice 180
strawberrys 50

meal 4
two chicken breast 250
veggies 200

meal 5
tuna 300
oats 150

meal 6
protien 330
peanut butter 300

total cals 3180

workout
legs

squats 135x10 225x10 275x10 275x10 275x10
straight leg dead lifts 135x10 205x10 205x10 205x10
leg extensions 4x10
leg curls 5x10
calf raises 3x30

good workout havnt been taking it easy with my squats the last few weeks since i sprained my ankle but it felt pretty good today. have only been doin 225 but felt good and easy today. probably will up it to my normal working weight next week

[juiceball44]

pretty nice squat numbers similar to mine, whats ur max squat (highest i've done is 405)

diet looks much better today and as far as protein shakes I am just going off of what most bodybuilders and trainers say about whole foods, you don;t know for sure how your body is using the protein shake (could just piss it out) but i know for sure when i eat a piece of meat my body is getting protein

[brjrj0000]

never really max on squat i just do it so i have legs. my first cycle i ended doing 345 for sets of 10 but i suppose i could of done more never really pushed myself. scared to develope knee problems ill prolly try upping it to 315 or so next week

[MuscleScience]

Protien is protien as long as your getting your Essiental Amino's

[king6]

Protien is protien as long as your getting your Essiental Amino's

Agreed, shakes, meat, food, milk. Whatever, as long as you are getting it. Most of my calories and protein comes from Cytogainer.

[Lexed]

17 weeks of tren dam man that would do some serious damage to the liver

[king6]

17 weeks of tren dam man that would do some serious damage to the liver

He's only doing 8 weeks.

[dhriscerr]

^^^^^ I was just thinking 17 weeks of prop is a shit ton of shots. But dude never said 17 weeks of tren , only 9 weeks in the middle of his 17 weeks of Prop. But like said above. 2 shorter cycles will probably benifit you more. not to mention thats 119 shots of Prop if you do it ed, and 60 if you do it eod. Have fun with it!

[king6]

That is a shit load of injections. Personally I am going to keep my prop to 10 weeks, and tren to 8 weeks. Believe me, you get tired of injecting everyday.

[brjrj0000]

yea i know im gonna feel like i pin cushion by the end of it but who knows i may stop it short just ***ends how things are going. Im running out of syringes though hopefully my order gets here soon.

yesturdays workout was just small

abs
and 30 min of cardio. kinda was bothering my ankle

[brjrj0000]

shit i think i have one left time to call up some friends

[brjrj0000]

yesturdays workout

shoulders
milt press 135x10 155x10 155x10 155x10 155x10
dumbells 80x10 80x10 80x9 80x6
lateral raise 3sets of 10 25lbs
from raise 3sets of 10 25lbs

back
lat pulldown 5 sets 145x10
low rows 200lbsx10 130x10 130x10 130x10
bent rows 4 sets 3platesx10

[brjrj0000]

todays workout
chest

bench
135x10 225x8 275x5(up 3 from last week but still no where near where i was) 275x3 225x10
incline dumbell
80x10 85x10 85x8 85x6
incline flys
4x55x10
cables crosses
3x10 up
3x10 down

[brjrj0000]

tuesdays workout
back
lat pull downs
5x150
close grip low roles
200x8 140x10 140x10 140x 10
bent rows 3 plates 3 sets 4 plates 1 set

shoulders
135x10 155x10 155x10 155x10 135x10
arnolds
4x10x60lbs
lat raises and front raises
3x10 each

[brjrj0000]

wed workout
QUADS and calves
Squats
135x10 225x10 315x10 (felt easy) 315x10 still felt pretty easy but my sprained ankle was bothering me again from jogging last night
extensions
6x10
calf raises
3x30

[testisbest]

Agreed, shakes, meat, food, milk. Whatever, as long as you are getting it. Most of my calories and protein comes from Cytogainer.

I started making my own cyto shakes because that sh!t is high dollar. I just use 2 scoops of ON whey with 1/2 to 1 cup of instant oats ***ending on when I'm drinking it and a whole banana. Blend it all up in a blender with 1 cup of milk and you're looking at around 450 to 650 cals ***ending on how much you use. Just don't use vanilla protein.

[brjrj0000]

thursdays
abs
cardio

[brjrj0000]

friday
tris
close grip
135x10 155x10 155x10 155x10
pushdowns
4x10
skull crushers
90plus ez curl bar 4x10
chest
incline dumbell
80 4x10
flat flys
45 4x10
cables
4x10
incline bench
135 4x10

[brjrj0000]

monday
morning 3 mile jog


evening
deadlifts
135x10 225x10 225x10 255x10 275x6
squats
135x10 205x10 300x10 300x10 205x10

ankle acting up from sprain on spring break

[brjrj0000]

tuesday
chest

flat dumbell
70x10 80x10 120x4 100x10 80x10
incline dumbell
80 3x10
incline flys
45 3x10
decline dumbell
80 3x10
flat flys
45 3x10
cables up
3x10
cables down
3x10
machine flys
3x10
flat bench
135x10 225x10 225x6 225x4 slow

[brjrj0000]

wed cardio

thursday
back
low rows
200x10 200x10 160x10 160x10
lat pull downs 5sets 150x10
bent rows 3 sets 4 plates 1 set 3 plates 10x
bis
barbell curls
135x10 4 sets
incline dumbell
4x10 40lbs
machine preacher
4x10

[brjrj0000]

friday
standing hamstrings
4x10
lying
4x10

quad
extensions
4x10

abs

cardio