1st Time Tren Train (part II)

[kelkel]

Pete I'll run around 100 on top of my TRT and absolutely love it. I respond quite well though to small amounts.

[petemitchell30]

Pete I'll run around 100 on top of my TRT and absolutely love it. I respond quite well though to small amounts.

That's really interesting, do you cycle it, or just stay on?

[hammerheart]

100-150 TrenA WEEKLY?? Do you see results from that? I couldn't feel any difference from my caber....but bloods showed that prog went from 16 to 2 after 3 weeks of .5 2X a week so I knew it was working.

You mean PRL, not progesterone. Mine was already elevated before.

150 has proven too much for me. At your dosages I'd be spinning my wheels

Yep is yielded some results though I'm not doing a proper cycle, just random experimenting.

[kelkel]

That's really interesting, do you cycle it, or just stay on?

Cycle it. Although at such a low dose you can extend it beyond the norm.

[NACH3]

Cycle it. Although at such a low dose you can extend it beyond the norm.

Been thinking about this myself Kel - I don't get any bad sides on low dose tren when added to my trt dose.... does it tend to keep lethargy down even morseso when running a lower dose

[kelkel]

I've not experienced lethargy on tren , then again I've never run a real large dose of it. Never felt the need to.

[hammerheart]

Been thinking about this myself Kel - I don't get any bad sides on low dose tren when added to my trt dose.... does it tend to keep lethargy down even morseso when running a lower dose

Have you ever tried stacking T3? Some reports lowered FT3 on Tren , that can account for the lethargy. I haven't felt more than I already am but I'm also on a good bit of T3.

[petemitchell30]

I never felt lethargic either.....tren gives me energy, and lots of it.

[hammerheart]

I still have doubts you've run proper dosed Tren ... looking forward to your next blast, curious how you will do then.

[petemitchell30]

Bizarro - I 100% meant prolactin. Never even had progesterone tested....

Me too....if you are correct, man that's a double edged sword. I saw good gains on this one, so I can't imagine what the gains would be like if this were underdosed. Other side of that, no sides was nice....

If the next lab I run is dosed higher than this one, I'll probably just back off and try to find the quantity of the new tren that would be the equivalent of what I was taking the last 4 weeks of this cycle. I'm pretty happy with the gains from this one...and am not trying to get huge (I'm already 6'4" 240). If I could do what I did on this one, 8 weeks -5lbs of fat +5lbs of muscle, no side......bizzarro I'd run this every time.

What is ya'lls take on how long I need to wait in between blasts of tren?

[mietek]

Happened to me. I was trying to get tren E and it turned out to be tren A (potency unknown). roidtest.com is good to check. Only like $30.

Muscle Science
My strength gains are crazy....the reason I'm upping a bit is because I'd like to see some size gains as well. Also, my ester is so short, if I start getting sides I can just reduce the dosage.

Also, I forgot to say that I'm taking Cialis to help with the blood pressure.....and because, well, its fun.

I think that the roidtest is total bunk. Drop for example test enan and plain oil you get the same color coding, it is always pass it does not detect hormone.

I think somebody tried to copy labmax and it is total scam for twice the price you pay for labmax test. So how come your test can be a good check.

[petemitchell30]

I got bloods done on week 7....they just came back. They didn't give me the actual sheet, the docs office just called me and went over them with me. Here are my notes from the conversation.

NOTE - "don't be concerned" is PA telling me not to be concerned, not me being unconcerned. If you guys think that I SHOULD be concerned with these levels, please let me know.

Creatinine - barely above normal - 1.4, don't be concerned
Liver Functions - slightly elevated - don't be concerned.
AST - 50 (should be below 40)
ALT - 41 (should be below 40)
Test level - 614
CK - 1200 (supposed to be under 171)
Drink more water - prob just bc I workout a lot - not a problem
E2 - 76
Take full pill 3 times a week
(NOTE - I don't think they use sensitive test….no sides of high e2, and lady didn't know what it was when I asked her if they used it)
TSH - normal
T3 - under 57 (normal 76-181)
T4 - 5.5 (normal 6-12)
A1C - good
HDL Cholesterol - Little Low, 25 (50-60)
LDL - 153 (normal below 130)
Total - 193
Vitamin D - 27 (30-100)
OTC vitamin D supp
Prolactin - 2.2 (2-18)

I found it odd my test was only 600's, I'm taking this to mean that my body is producing ZERO test, because prior to tren my levels were at 1100ish. As soon as I come off tren I'm going to start back up hcg ....not sure the exact protocol, i've read lots of different stuff and it all suggests something different. God I hate that stuff.....

[kelkel]

The only thing I hate about tren is how it impacts HDL.

[NorthwestShane]

Just my experience here, so take from it what you will. I cycled very responsibly, accused of being too conservative, for years. My pct knowledge always sucked so I basically did what people I trusted told me, so Im no expert there, and there are people here who know way more about the chemistry than me. I did test/deca cycles with great results, but I was a dipshit and was convinced I needed more. I also had an amazing source that got me top quality gear. So after a cycle of 500 test/500 deca per week, I cycled off then when it was time went with 500 test/300 tren e per week. Grew like crazy, but the stuff i got for the gyno didn't work. I came off the cycle too fast and I'm guessing my pct wasn't right. My thyroid and testosterone levels crashed and never came back. Now I'm doing doctor prescribed test replacement and thyroid medicine for the rest of my life and my energy level still sucks. Even though its been two years since my last cycle, I still get gyno off and on. Left nipple area swells up and gets super tender. Doctors won't do shit about it for me. So make sure you know what you;re doing, have all ur ancillary stuff on hand before you start anything, and be willing to accept the consequences if things do go sideways. Like I said, Im not telling anyone how to do things specifically or not to do them. Just do it better than I did.

[hammerheart]

The only thing I hate about tren is how it impacts HDL.

It's indeed undesirable but T4/T3 suppression is what I'd be concerned most. I still can't elucidate the underlying mechanism.

Just my experience here, so take from it what you will. I cycled very responsibly, accused of being too conservative, for years. My pct knowledge always sucked so I basically did what people I trusted told me, so Im no expert there, and there are people here who know way more about the chemistry than me. I did test/deca cycles with great results, but I was a dipshit and was convinced I needed more. I also had an amazing source that got me top quality gear. So after a cycle of 500 test/500 deca per week, I cycled off then when it was time went with 500 test/300 tren e per week. Grew like crazy, but the stuff i got for the gyno didn't work. I came off the cycle too fast and I'm guessing my pct wasn't right. My thyroid and testosterone levels crashed and never came back. Now I'm doing doctor prescribed test replacement and thyroid medicine for the rest of my life and my energy level still sucks. Even though its been two years since my last cycle, I still get gyno off and on. Left nipple area swells up and gets super tender. Doctors won't do shit about it for me. So make sure you know what you;re doing, have all ur ancillary stuff on hand before you start anything, and be willing to accept the consequences if things do go sideways. Like I said, Im not telling anyone how to do things specifically or not to do them. Just do it better than I did.

Your thyroid crashed? What were your labs? How much do you take?

[kelkel]

[QUOTE=bizzarro;7240095]It's indeed undesirable but T4/T3 suppression is what I'd be concerned most. I still can't elucidate the underlying mechanism./QUOTE]

But the suppression is normally short lived. I'm more impressed you used "elucidate" in your sentence!

[petemitchell30]

LATE FINAL SUMMARY
Sorry this is so late guys.....I would post pics, but fellas I decided against it because frankly the idea that someone might be able to ascertain my identity from those pics (even if I blur my face) scared the hell out of me.

Strength
Good Lord - Guys my strength shot through the roof. I went from benching low to mid 300's to really close to 400. But what's even more impressive, is the strength I gained in my legs. I have had a weak/bad lower back for 3 or 4 years now, and that in combination with a bad knee means that I couldn't even squat 135. I figured that since I was on tren , there was no better time attempt improvement in this area, so I emphasized lower body/back strength while on cycle. It panned out, and by the end of the cycle I was repping 225 deep (I know, I know - not that impressive, but everything is relative boys) for sets of 10. Knee and lower back feel much better. What's more, is that even though I was taking Tren Ace - 3.5 weeks after coming off, I haven't lost a bit of strength...in fact I might be a little stronger.

Aesthetics -
I didn't experience any crazy fat loss on Tren like you read about, but I am a little leaner. I did add muscle mass, so whether LOOKING leaner is a result of fat loss or rather just an illusion because the fat is spread thinner over a larger muscle base is undetermined. My legs look better because of added strength, and my upper body is considerably more vascular even 3.5 weeks later. Also, my finishing weight was around 240 at the end...which is around a 20lb increase, mostly (if not all) lean mass.

Sides -
Bacne - Was a bitch while I was on....has gotten better, but still present. I'm about to start swimming in the morning to see if the chlorine will rid me of it.

Night Sweats - - Days 2-4 AFTER my last tren shot, I experienced night sweats. I found this odd....but have read several posts from other websites where the author opined that tren sides result from test levels being higher than tren levels. This is the only rationale I am aware of that would explain why I didn't succumb to the dreaded night sweats until AFTER my cycle.....but who knows.

Tren Cough - - Not once, but admittedly I had a very beautiful medical professional (wife) administering my shots, and although this is not part of her job description at work, I'm certain it was covered at some point during her extremely lengthy educational process. Ironically, you'd think she'd be more of a help in the area of AAS, but even she admits they just don't cover this stuff.

Final Thoughts
The gains were great....leaner, stronger, bigger. I loved Tren, however I think I could have done the same thing with a simple Test Cyp and Anavar /EQ cycle. From what I've read, the latter would be easier on my body. For all of you guys that read along and offered your expertise/suggestions/opinions, they were greatly appreciated. For those of you thinking about running a tren cycle, I hope that this account can help you make a more informed decision.

[Mr. Small]

LATE FINAL SUMMARY
Sorry this is so late guys.....I would post pics, but fellas I decided against it because frankly the idea that someone might be able to ascertain my identity from those pics (even if I blur my face) scared the hell out of me.

Strength
Good Lord - Guys my strength shot through the roof. I went from benching low to mid 300's to really close to 400. But what's even more impressive, is the strength I gained in my legs. I have had a weak/bad lower back for 3 or 4 years now, and that in combination with a bad knee means that I couldn't even squat 135. I figured that since I was on tren , there was no better time attempt improvement in this area, so I emphasized lower body/back strength while on cycle. It panned out, and by the end of the cycle I was repping 225 deep (I know, I know - not that impressive, but everything is relative boys) for sets of 10. Knee and lower back feel much better. What's more, is that even though I was taking Tren Ace - 3.5 weeks after coming off, I haven't lost a bit of strength...in fact I might be a little stronger.

Aesthetics -
I didn't experience any crazy fat loss on Tren like you read about, but I am a little leaner. I did add muscle mass, so whether LOOKING leaner is a result of fat loss or rather just an illusion because the fat is spread thinner over a larger muscle base is undetermined. My legs look better because of added strength, and my upper body is considerably more vascular even 3.5 weeks later. Also, my finishing weight was around 240 at the end...which is around a 20lb increase, mostly (if not all) lean mass.

Sides -
Bacne - Was a bitch while I was on....has gotten better, but still present. I'm about to start swimming in the morning to see if the chlorine will rid me of it.

Night Sweats - - Days 2-4 AFTER my last tren shot, I experienced night sweats. I found this odd....but have read several posts from other websites where the author opined that tren sides result from test levels being higher than tren levels. This is the only rationale I am aware of that would explain why I didn't succumb to the dreaded night sweats until AFTER my cycle.....but who knows.

Tren Cough - - Not once, but admittedly I had a very beautiful medical professional (wife) administering my shots, and although this is not part of her job description at work, I'm certain it was covered at some point during her extremely lengthy educational process. Ironically, you'd think she'd be more of a help in the area of AAS, but even she admits they just don't cover this stuff.

Final Thoughts
The gains were great....leaner, stronger, bigger. I loved Tren, however I think I could have done the same thing with a simple Test Cyp and Anavar/EQ cycle. From what I've read, the latter would be easier on my body. For all of you guys that read along and offered your expertise/suggestions/opinions, they were greatly appreciated. For those of you thinking about running a tren cycle, I hope that this account can help you make a more informed decision.

Don't think you would gain 20lbs of lean mass on any other compound(s)