Thread: Docholiday's 2nd cycle journal
02-08-2004, 10:18 AM #1
Docholiday's 2nd cycle journal
Wk1-4 Dbol 42mg ed
Wk1-12 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg ew (2íce a week)
Wk1-10 Trenbolone Enanthate 400mg ew (2íce a week)
Wk11-14 Propionate 50mg ed
Wk1-18 Nolvadex 10mg ed (20mg during pct)
I have dbol which I may use mid cycle, an unusual time to administer dbol, but Iím going to give it a try.
All my gear is home brewed. I injected at 11:30am right after my shower. Shot went smooth, very smooth, I aspirated fine, but then I got nervous. I didnít tap out the excess air so when I got near the end I was a little worried about pushing the air in, so I extracted pushed the air out and injected the rest. At this point I got very nauseas. I think it was the nerves of injecting home made gear combined with my jitters about injecting air. I was very pale and drank some Orange juice.
This is my first time using Tren and Prop. I hope that the prop will kick start me good. I may dose slightly higher than 50mg ed.
Progress results will be continuous.
Work out schedule:
5 day lift, Saturday off, repeat five-day lift routine.
Day 1: Chest
Flat bench 3 sets aimed at 8 reps
Incline dumbbells 3 sets aimed at 8 reps
Decline bench 3 sets aimed at 8 reps
Flies, machine, cables or plyo cables 3 sets aimed at 8 reps
Day 2: Shoulders
Alt Dumbbell mil press with barbell mil pres 3sets/8reps
Bent over lateral raises 3sets/8reps
Arnolds 3 sets/8reps
Frontal raises 3 sets/8 reps
Shrugs 4sets/10-12 reps
Day 3: Biceps/Triceps
Weighted bench dips 3 drop-sets/varying reps
Cable push downs (straight bar) 3sets/8reps
Overhead dumbbell press 3 sets/8reps
Alt reverse one arm cable, two arm cable 3 sets/8reps
Barbell curls 3 sets/8reps
Incline bench curls 3 sets/8reps
Concentration curls 3sets/8reps
Modified preacher curls with no weight but plyo cable attached 3 sets/10reps
Day 4: Back
Parallel pull-ups 3 sets/10 reps
Wide grip pull-ups 3 sets/10reps
Seated row machine 3sets/10reps
Alt superman rows, bent barbell rows 3 sets/10reps
Day 5: Legs
Squats 3 sets/10 reps
Leg press 3 sets/10 reps
Leg extensions 3 sets/10 reps
Leg curls 3 sets/ 10 reps
Repeat. I donít particularly like this order. I like to give my triceps rest, and do shoulders day 3 and back on day 2, and biceps triceps day 5. I needed to switch things up and modify my schedule with my partners.
Chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, tuna, chicken, chicken, protein shake, protein shake, chicken, tuna, protein shake, chicken, chicken.
Weight gainer (N-Large 2), Protein (Isopure), Glutamine, I may get some milk thistle and tribulus.
Last edited by DocHoliday; 02-11-2004 at 07:11 AM.
02-08-2004, 01:34 PM #2
looks good! Im bout to start my first cycle. It looks a lot like your first cycle. Good luck
02-08-2004, 02:16 PM #3
I ran this for first cycle:
wk1-9 Test Enanthat 500mg ew
wk1-9 EQ 400mg ew
02-08-2004, 02:24 PM #4
Seems like just the other day you were on your first cycle.
This cycle looks real good!!!I can't read the rest of the stuff,print is too small for my eyes.
Good luck Doc.
All the best
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Best of luck bro! Think youll seen some good results from your homebrew
just fyi, dont worry about bubbles in the syringe when injecting, they wont hurt you
02-08-2004, 06:04 PM #6
Hey DocH cycle looks good......I am interested to see how the home brew works for u.
Don't worry about air bubbles that come up from aspirating.
The thing that I noticed about your workout is that u are gonna be directly or at least indirectly hitting tris 3 days in a row.....u might want to put back on day 2 or 3 to offset this....also if ya do deadlifts on back day that would put it the day before leg day(as u have posted), with could be hell on the lower back.....JMO.
Good luck bro.
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02-08-2004, 09:57 PM #8
yeah I don't like the layout of the lifts, because of that very same issue of hitting tris 3 days in a row. However, I may do a completely different layout and work each muscle twice a week while on cycle.
Also, I don't do dead lifts.
Keep up everyone, this is going to be one hell of a ride.
02-09-2004, 01:18 PM #9
.5cc (50mg) Propionate into left deltoid at 9:09 am.
1.1cc (approx 30mg) Liquid Dbol at 2:50pm.
I took the dbol all at once...I don't think that was too smart, but any other way of splitting it up is going to be a pain. Should I really need to split it up? If I can get away with taking it in one shot and it's not too bad, I'm going to be taking it 30min prior to each lift.
Last edited by DocHoliday; 02-10-2004 at 07:00 PM.
02-09-2004, 01:25 PM #10
02-09-2004, 04:55 PM #11
that's exactly how I used to do it except switch legs and bi/tri day
02-09-2004, 06:01 PM #12Originally Posted by DocHoliday
Wouldn't it be muscle better to try to spread the dbol out into 3 separate intakes of 10mgs each......to help keep keep blood levels even? Or am I off base here? That's why I like the tabs, it is easier to split them up thru-out the day....but they can be hell on the liver.
Doc just bust it up in the gym bro......u should def grow from your cycle....I glad our cycles started about the same time.....so the ride will be out of control.hahaha
02-09-2004, 06:24 PM #13
you probably should space them out BornBad, but it's inconvenient. I think I'll get a better pump in the gym though by taking it before. Anyone think so? Or should I really try to space it?
Yes BLT, it will be a ride. I bet I gain more than you!
Last edited by DocHoliday; 02-10-2004 at 07:02 PM.
02-09-2004, 06:39 PM #14Originally Posted by DocHoliday
I accept your challange if ya talkin to me.....you might gain more........but not even u can run with the BIG DAWG in the gym.
02-09-2004, 06:45 PM #15
yeah bro, I'm sorry, I mean BornBad...I feel like a dic
ok, 183 right now 14% body fat. goal is to be at 185 10% body fat. Reasonable.
02-09-2004, 07:24 PM #16Swellin Guest
Doc, I don't see any reason you can't reach that goal...it is very attainable. Your cycle #2 looks VERY similar to the cycle#2 that I am planning to run. This will be great to get to use you as a guinnea pig.
Best of luck!
02-09-2004, 07:40 PM #17Originally Posted by DocHoliday
02-09-2004, 08:08 PM #18
02-09-2004, 08:40 PM #19Swellin Guest
Hey Doc, I am not sure yet. I have decided to extend my current cycle for another 6-7 weeks, so that will throw everything off. I was expecting to start it around June, but I have other things going on in my life that might make that impossible. Time will tell.
02-09-2004, 09:53 PM #20
That goal is very attainable.... its only 9 pounds of muscle gain and 7 pounds loss of fat. Good luck
02-10-2004, 05:06 PM #21Originally Posted by DocHoliday
I'm having good luck with the dbol so I'm thinking of adding another 5mg at night(35mg ed) my last 2 wks of it.
You better bust your ass in the gym Doc....cause it ain't gonna be easy to run with this dawg.hahahaha
02-10-2004, 06:59 PM #22
It's gonna be a walk in the park BornBad!
.5cc (50mg) Propionate into right deltoid
30mg Dbol spread into three dosages this time.
Shoulder day. I took my third dosing for the day of Dbol 5 min prior to my lift. About 35-40min later I was doing arnolds and seemed to push up the weight with a little more ease and intensity. Mind you this is only my second day on dbol.
BornBad, I did start my prop already. I think I'd rather do ed injections now rather than at the end of my cycle. Save the best for last. However, it could help me ween off some of the water weight and still maintain....hmmm. I have 28 days worth left of prop. What does everyone think? I have tons of dbol powder.
I hurt my rear delt doing my back routine yesterday. This morning injecting the prop has only made it sorer. Left delt kind of aches so doing shoulders today had me thinking it was really going to hurt, but it wasn't bad.
02-11-2004, 01:00 AM #23
IMO....if your doing dbol up front,there is no need to do prop.I'd save it for the end and finish off the cycle nicely.Will help in a better recovery also.I'd run the prop wks 11-14.
Also I really think you should dose your dbol out better.Your blood levels must be way off,and why not get the full effect of the drug.....jst my .02
Happy growing bro.
02-11-2004, 06:06 AM #24
02-11-2004, 06:27 AM #25
02-11-2004, 06:04 PM #26
I think ya gonna like the change Doc.......plus I'm telling ya dbol is the **** bro......I friggin love this stuff, even though there is some bloating the strength gains are coming........continue to bust it up bro and remember when u don't feel like lifting, that I am.hahaha
02-11-2004, 06:08 PM #27
1cc (250mg) Test Enanthate
1cc (210mg) Tren Enanthae (I over dosed it)
I wanted to shoot up at 11:30pm since I injected at 11:30am on Sunday. Would have made for an even split.
02-14-2004, 08:25 PM #28
DB, BornBad, and Vets
What do you yall think of me adding T3 to my stack? I am thinking of adding Anavar in there too later on, probably week 5-11 or so.
Like stated before I'm resting at about 14% body fat. Getting down to 10% would be awesome, and 8% FANTASTIC. I do not want to turn this into a cutter though, I'm keeping this a mass cycle. Will T3 be ok to add?
Thanks in advance.
02-14-2004, 08:33 PM #29Swellin Guest
Okay Doc, I'm not any of those you asked, but I think you answered your on question...you said you did not want to turn this into a cutter, but you brought up T3...for cutting.
That seems like it would be for you to decide what you want to do here. If you want to lean out a bit at the end, the T3 should fit.
02-15-2004, 07:05 AM #30
swellin you welcome to reply too
I think I may toss it in at the end. See how it helps. I think I mean that I'm not catering my diet toward a cutter, it's still a diet and training program for a bulker. The T3 I'm hoping along with clen at the end to counter and eliminate some fat.
02-15-2004, 07:31 AM #31
Doc I don't see what it will hurt to add it at the end....if ya want to lose some bf from all the bulkin....I know some would say make this a bulkin cycle and do a cutter later, but I to am looking to lean out alittle toward the end of my cycle(which I will mainly do with added cardio and diet).
Hey Swellin he included u when he said vet.
02-15-2004, 08:38 AM #32
02/15/04 Sunday 10:20am
1cc Testosterone Enanthate +
1cc Trenbolone Enanthate into right quadricep.
.5cc (14mg) Dbol so far (1cc left totaling 42mg)
Something strange happened when withdrawing my test. Tren went fine. I pre injected air into each vial to pressurize them. The I withdrew the tren and pulled back a little air to clear the needle. Then I moved onto the test. As I'm withdrawing the test, it's leaking out from the stopper!!! I must keep injecting through the same whole on the stopper. I must have wasted .2-.3cc, it just kept flowing out running down my needle and onto the syringe. It finally slowed. I don't think I pushed too much air into it to pressurize. Only 1.5cc for a 1cc draw.
I'm still sick, I keep coughing.
Tomorrow (Monday) I start a whole new lifting routine. Going to try it for a few weeks and see if I can handle it and see if it's over training.
Chest: Flat bench, incline dumbbell, Flys
Back: Parallel pull ups, wide grip pull ups, seated row, shrugs
Shoulder: Mil Press, Lateral raises, Frontal raises
Bicep: Barbel curls, Concentration one arm curls, preacher curls
Tricep: Weighted bench dips, Straight bar cable push downs, Reverse one arm cable push downs.
Legs: Light Squats, Leg Extensions, Heavy Squats, Calves
Forearms: Barbell curl, Rope Twists, Wrist flex
Chest: Dumbbell flat, Dumbbell Incline, Barbell decline
Back: Pull downs, Supermans, One arm rows, shrugs
Shoulder: Arnolds, Rear Delt Flys, Dumbbell Press
Bicep: EZ bar curls, One arm concentration curls, Cable Curls
Tricep: Skull Crushers, Overhead Cable Press, Revers Cable push downs (2 hand)
Legs: Heavy Leg Press, Leg Curls, Barbell Lunges, Calves
02-15-2004, 08:49 AM #33
DocH here's my 02 cents worth on the new routine:
I would use a heavy/light routine, I have done them before with very good resuts. Heavy movements being compound exercises and light movements being isolation exercises. Just an idea for u to flirt with.
mon. - chest(heavy), back(light)
tues. - delts(heavy), bis/tris(light)
wed. - quads/forearms(heavy), hams/calves(light)
thurs. - back(heavy), chest(light)
fri. - delts(light), bis/tris(heavy)
sat. - quads/forearms(light), hams/calves(heavy)
U made your own brew so casn't u just replace the cap on that bottle that keeps leaking? I am assuming u have a cap crimper(whatever it's called), if not I know where u can order one from, but there kinda pricey.
02-15-2004, 09:07 AM #34
no I don't have a crimper or caps. I bought presealed vials and did it that way. I'll just be careful where I'm sticking the pin in next time.
I was planning on a light/heavy mix on legs most def. I was thinking of heavy/heavy on all the rest, and see if I feel overtrained at all. If I do then I'll switch to heavy/light. If that's still crappy, I'll go back to my original. I can't wait to kick this cold.
02-15-2004, 03:20 PM #35
Hey Doc.......sorry to hear your not feeling so well,but it will pass.I'm not at all experienced in T-3.When I cut I don't use to many products because of my shattered nerves.(the stock market can do that to you)I suggest you talk to Ronny the Bull,he's very experienced in that matter and has alot of knowledge to share.I'm not even going to touch the workout program,because what works for one ,doesn't the other.That's why I never go into the workout forum,it's an endless debate that leads you no where.
As far as your leakage,don't you have any extra pre-sealed vials.When making homebrew you have to have extras around.I had the same thing happen converting an 8g kit,but I got it all out into individual 20mg vials.If you don't have any,get some more ,they don't go bad.
02-15-2004, 06:14 PM #36
yeah, I'll have to swap it into an extra vial. Thanks DB
02-16-2004, 05:29 PM #37
Hey Doc did ya start the new routine today? Come on bro we need an update.
02-16-2004, 06:42 PM #38
Hope ya get better Doc. Keep on rollin baby.
02-16-2004, 07:03 PM #39
Started the new routine today. EVERYTHING WAS DOWN, except incline dumbbells for chest.
I started 183lbs, I am 188.8lbs as of today. Water weight must be packing. I do feel slightly more pumped than usual, but by no means do I feel stronger from the Dbol nor do I feel extreme pumps. I don't know if it's from being sick or what. I'm not terribly sick, but it does have me lethargic. By the way I started the dbol this past Tuesday, 6 days ago. I've been taking .5cc doses at a time. I made my dbol 28mg/ml, so I should be getting 42mg a day of dbol.
My buddy has been only taking one dose, 30min prior to lift, from the very same vial. He says he's getting extreme pumps, but he doesn't feel stronger yet. Said his biceps felt like they were going to explode the other day.
I can't wait for me to get over being sick, for me to feel the effects of the dbol, and for the TREN AND TEST to kick in!!!
02-16-2004, 08:11 PM #40
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