First pics, after cycle

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Hey guys-

I have been lurking for a while but am just finishing a cycle and wanted to throw some pics up for comments. I did 10 weeks sust, cyp and deca . I went from 205 to 231.

Stats:
26, 6', 231lbs,35"w, 47"c, 17"a, 28"q, 17"c, ~16-17%bf.

My goals are now to keep as much of the mass as possible and get rid of some bodyfat to about the 10% range.

Any comments would be great, thanks.

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The last couple...

[kloter1]

i think you couldve put on some serious mass w/o juice.

[Hed]

Id like to see some pics of you cut down to like a 10% bf or so. I really cant tell much from those pics.

You should prolly hit up some sun also lol.

Good work.

[Jay-Gunz]

good mass...please look at my pics in this forum. how much bibber were you then i am. i'm 6' 208lb

[Jay-Gunz]

bigger...sorry i always do that

[Rob]

bigger...sorry i always do that

post whore

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Jay-

I think you and I have very similiar builds. I looked very similar to you at that weight. I carry a lot of weight in my legs naturally. The cycle really added mass to my pecs, back, traps and legs. Makes my shoulders and arms actually look small now.

Yeah, I need some sun... Once I get a bit leaner I'll tan. Pointless to do it in the middle of winter.

[marka]

Whats your diet like?

[BeerBaron]

Yeah, I need some sun... Once I get a bit leaner I'll tan. Pointless to do it in the middle of winter.

Tanning salons are cheap and work well for an even, full body tan all year long. I live at the shore during summer, and I still go to the tanning salon. I would be careful trying to cut during PCT, you may lose a little more lean mass than you would if you were to do it after PCT. By the way, what does your PCT look like?

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I'm doing Pheendo's PCT regimine (l-dex, clomid, nolva). I am starting PCT 15days from now, lasting for 30 days.... Unless someone has some better advice to give me.

As far as the tanning... I have no good excuse My skin is really fair and I burn easy so I have to be careful doing any kind of tanning... But, yeah, I'll get in there and at least try not to look so pasty.

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I'll post my full diet on Monday. I have everything in Excel at work (all the daily totals, etc).

[slizzut]

I'd like to see some before pics too if you can

[SwoleCat]

i think you couldve put on some serious mass w/o juice.

True that.

Before pics would be great too, because it doesn't appear you were on cycle at all. Not a flame, I just never would have guessed.

~SC~

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Here are a couple of before pics... Right around 200lbs.

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More..

[Elysium]

More..

The before pics looks better in my opinion? Maybe its just lighting. You havent built up a base, or at least a base that i can see that would give you the go ahead to use gear. Based on the pics you posted earlier in the thread you look like you are also a tad higher BF% than 16% too. Not flaming bro just want to give you my honest opinion. Whats your stats on lifts, what does your workout routing look like? I think your workout is something that needs to be looked at first, how long have you been training?

[Iowa]

Not intended to flame but you could have EASILY done that w/o juice. All you would have needed is a sensible diet. I'll bet my right arm that your diet was sub-par.

I agree with SC on the assumption that it appears you were never on a cycle at all. So if I were you, I'd stay off the sauce for a good year or two and get your diet in check. See what results you get and if you still put on some good mass, keep the juice on hold until you plateau. JMO.

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Messy-

Thanks for the comments. I have been lifting for five years. I started out at about 160. I think that probably just the bodyfat issue is why those before pics look better. I think it is hard to get some perspective on the difference in size between the different times. That last pic where it shows the Aug 2003 pic I was at 11% according to the calipers and weighed 185. I could be more than 16% now, haven't used the calipers recently.

Workout is 4 days on 2 off. Shoulders; legs; back/bis; chest/tris.

Not sure how to respond to the "no base" comment. Its like I know I have gotten bigger because my measurements are all bigger, I weigh more, everyone I see says something about how big I am. So, maybe its the pics... These comments def make me motivated to go lift even more though. I dunno why my face looks so fat in the pics. Oh well. A couple of my buddies said I look 10X better in person but that doesn't mean too much in here. hah.

[BeerBaron]

A lot of it looks like it could be bloat from you're gear after seeing the before pics. Some guys have the bloat go right to their face. I would work on maintaining gains through out PCT, and then focus on cutting some of the fat down after.

[*Narkissos*]

IMHO...you don't look like you cycled... that being said... best of luck with your cutting

[SwoleCat]

The later pics show a better comparison of your before/after, as well as a better after pic.

In the first pic your head appeared too big for the pic, it took the entire focus of the pic leaving your arms and the rest of you in the background.

~SC~

[Hed]

Well, judging on the first pics also, if you had a good diet and did put on a good amount of muscle, cut down youll look a lot better. In the first pics you posted, you really, like Swolecat said, hardly look like you cycled. Cut that down, post some pics, and im 100% sure youll look MUCH MUCH better!

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Here is some of the diet info:

7am: Protein shake, skim milk, 4 egg whites, 1C oatmeal, 1/2C peaches
9am: can of tuna, yogurt
11am: 2tbsp peanut butter, flax seed oil
12:30: salad with chicken or steak
2:30pm: can of tuna
4pm: protein shake mixed with water
WORKOUT
6:30pm: PW shake
8pm: steak or chicken breast, spinach salad, or other veggies
10:30pm: egg protein shake

The daily totals for this were: Protein=428g, carbs= 305g, fats=95g

I have it in Excel if anyone wants to see the exact breakdown.

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Swole- I dunno what the deal is with my head, maybe it grew faster than the rest of me (so that's why I can't get tshirts on). hah.

The last pics shows a better before/after because I was 185 in Aug 2003 to 210 in Feb 2004. I don't have any pics of just before I started the cycle at 205. I had leaned down again last summer but didn't take pics at the end.

In any case I will post more pics in a couple months as I lean out.

[simster1]

You look like you where on a creatine cycle

[*Narkissos*]

Diet seems to be your achilles heel...

Needs some work

[O.fO.shO]

I can see a size increase . I think he'll look better when he cuts up . Dosent look like you gained a whole lot of lean muscle though .

[*Narkissos*]

I'm not sure what the expected outcome of the diet was to be...so i'll assume cutting....
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Here is some of the diet info:

7am: Protein shake, skim milk, 4 egg whites, 1C oatmeal, 1/2C peaches
DROP THE MILK AND FRUIT

9am: can of tuna, yogurt
DROP THE YOGURT..IN FAVOUR OF A FAT SOURCE..as this is basically a protein only meal thus far

11am: 2tbsp peanut butter, flax seed oil
NOT ENOUGH PROTEIN..No complete protein source here... DROP ONE OF THE FOODS AND ADD A PROTEIN SOURCE

12:30: salad with chicken or steak
NOT BAD...IF CHICKEN IS USED, ADD A OLIVE OIL TO SALAD

2:30pm: can of tuna
ADD A FAT SOURCE

4pm: protein shake mixed with water
ADD A FAT SOURCE

WORKOUT
6:30pm: PW shake
OK

8pm: steak or chicken breast, spinach salad, or other veggies
PPWO MEAL SHOULD HAVE CARBS

10:30pm: egg protein shake
ADD Fat

IMO...9 meals is overkill for your physique tho..

I think when you start cutting you should allow the 3 hour interval between meals

[tycin]

^^^ good advice nark.

[angelxterminator]

I do see the size increase, but in my honest opinion, you could have progressed much further naturally before you cycled.

I bet you could have been 20lbs heavier than you are POST CYCLE before you juiced the first time. Your diet was seriously lacking, and i bet your training/intensity could be tweaked as well!

Either way, congrats!

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Narkissos-

Thanks for reviewing the diet. What kind of fat sources are you recommending? Peanut butter, or something else? Or, more flax seed oil? I'm just unclear as to what fat to add. Thanks.

And it looks like you want me to drop all the dairy (milk in the am, and then the yogurt). That is not a problem.

Angelexterminator- aside from the suggestions that Narkissos made, is there something different you suggest for the diet since it is "seriously lacking"?

Thanks...

[Occy]

Dude, you looked better before your cycle. Now you just look like a fat ass, at least before you kinda had some kind of a physique. Did you workout while on your cycle?

[HiFi]

Dude, you looked better before your cycle. Now you just look like a fat ass, at least before you kinda had some kind of a physique. Did you workout while on your cycle?

haha..that aint right bro. i agree this guy shouldnt have even touched the juice yet, doesnt seem like he got anything out of it.

[Jantzen4k]

i think you couldve put on some serious mass w/o juice.

i agree

[*Narkissos*]

To the shake...add 2 tbsp of peanut butter, olive or flax seed oil

To meals.. 1-2 tbsp full fat mayo..1-2 tbsp olive/flax oil

Again..this isn't set in stone.. depends on nutritional/caloric requirements etc.

[Tyson2481]

Looks kinda like u were bloated homie, kinda like a dbol bloat....try a cutter and see how u look after when its all lean.....no flaming but it looks like ur holding some h20...IMO

[SwoleDave]

In the first few pics, u look like u went to the Wal-Mart photo studio to get the pics...
lol

[BDTR]

If i see anymore flames in this thread, i'm going to be very angry.. I'm not in a good mood to start, so don't tempt me.

[moregunsthanroses]

you definitly look fuller than before but seems you sacrificed alot of definition... keep training hard