pics before GH cycle.

**john004** · 09-15-2002, 01:31 PM

pics before my cycle. GH 2iu/day winny 50mg/day eq 600mg/week. Had to cut the test out due to irratation to my nipples.

**john004** · 09-15-2002, 01:32 PM

pic 2

**TRIPLE HHH** · 09-15-2002, 08:05 PM

Bro i dont mean to flame you in any way but are you sure your gear was real becasue i dont see any difference in the second picture besides your dalker and flexing.

**mexicali** · 09-15-2002, 09:07 PM

its a little hard to tell with diff. poses but i didnt read anything about after pics, it just says before pics, so i would guess they are both before pics

if not i'm sorry john, just making an observation

mexicali

**Pete235** · 09-16-2002, 08:47 AM

John...bro...don't be offended because this is not a flame dude, I'm just gonna shoot from the hip and tell you what I think.

A) You're 20 years old and have 5 cycles under your belt. Now that tells me you are an impatient traininer because you obviously started at too young an age.

B) Although you have some shape and a little, your pics confirm my first statement, based on what I am seeing there is NO WAY you have even come close to reaching your natural potential!! You don't look like you have used AAS bro. Either your training is lax, your diet is poor or the gear you have used in the past was not very good...because it doesn't look like I'm seeing a hard working, clean eater with 5 cycles! Again, no flame bro.

C) After reading the fact that you eat 3-4 times per day, I would suggest that you hold off on anymore cycles until you learn more about the impotance of nutrition. Saying you are a picky eater is a bullshit excuse brother! Seriously, diet and training are far more important than gear, but based on what I've read in the past and what you are currently proposing, you lend way too much importance on AAS.

I honestly feel that you should spend a year or two eating and training properly before doinganymore cycles....and I say that with no disrespect meant.

http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...threadid=32962

**Big Al** · 09-16-2002, 08:52 AM

Great advice from pete. Bro, are you nipples lumpy? cos maybe its the pic but you maybe suffering from more than just irritation?

Peace

**freddygunns** · 09-16-2002, 09:05 AM

no flame dude but u look like u got some gyno take some nolva asap n get it checked by a doc

**john004** · 09-16-2002, 09:41 AM

no gyno, just fat nipples.. bf is around 18-19%. These pics are both before pics. I started juicing age 19, 135 pounds. I've been 195. Not bad for 1 year, 3 of those 5 cycles were 4-5 week cycle, the other 2 were 7. I know i have a poor diet, i am a very picky eater. I am just naturally a small person, always was intended to be small. Can't be genetics though, every guy in my family in 6' 1'' + 230+ im standing 5' 8''. My irratation im just now getting starting yesterday, im not sure what it is.. but all test stopped until the pains go away. My nipples have been this way since i was 135 pounds, just fat.

**BullDogg20** · 10-17-2002, 08:07 AM

probaly gyno,

gyno can appear with out the use of anabolic steriods , during chiled hood it usually starts to appear through out puberty as the body is going thr massive chemicle changes. and for som reason your body produced a little too much estrogen. go see youre doctor, i am wiling to bet its a little bit of gyno, but maybe not either, i am no doctor.
once again bro no flam here. But you should really educate yourself on AAS 5 cycle in one year at age 19, thats way too much even for someone that is use to useing them, general rule of thumb is amount of time on equal amount of time off.

***Shredz*** · 10-17-2002, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by freddygunns
no flame dude but u look like u got some gyno take some nolva asap n get it checked by a doc

If gyno is what he has taking nolvadex will do nothing at this point

**Dr. Derek** · 10-17-2002, 05:16 PM

I would put in my two cents but I'm not going to because I dont believe that he gained 60 + lbs in one year, thats bullshit and I will go on record calling his bluff. I have been around for nearly 16 years, 13 of them I have been involved and been around people that have used I have see people gain weight. I have seen people go from shitty ameaturs to ranked national atheletes, but never in my life have I ever seen anyone gain 90 lbs in one year, maybe 10 Years.

Sorry man but you have been reading to many muscle mags

**BOB HAD BITCH TITS** · 10-17-2002, 09:21 PM

yo dr. derek your throwin out some hard accusation, I see where your coming from but he never said 90 lbs he said 135to up to 195, prolly some water that's 60 lbs he may be stretching the truth, but if you didn't even read it right your point is not vallid not flame but chill out

**eradikate** · 10-18-2002, 01:04 AM

60lbs a year is very hard but i belive you since you dont sound like one of those losers who lie about their weight in the CYBERWORLD. 5 cycles a year is ridiculous dude...i know it's addicting but dont let the drug control you, you have to control the drug

**mekler** · 10-18-2002, 01:22 AM

drugs r bad..mmmmkay?

**Dr. Derek** · 10-18-2002, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by BOB HAD BITCH TITS
yo dr. derek your throwin out some hard accusation, I see where your coming from but he never said 90 lbs he said 135to up to 195, prolly some water that's 60 lbs he may be stretching the truth, but if you didn't even read it right your point is not vallid not flame but chill out

Excuse me for calling someones bluff. As for you calling it a flame, well its not a flame, its the truth. I never said he has a bad physique, it actually pretty good but the kid did not gain that much weight in 1 year sorry, and yes the 90 in my previous post was a typo it was suppose to be a 60. Thank you for bringing that to my attention

Sorry if I have offended anyone but I needed to say what I needed to say.

**john004** · 11-17-2002, 11:08 PM

haha im gonna post pics with dates on them and show you i went from 135 to as high as 195 in less than a year. my first 7 week cycle of test/anadrol i gained over 30+ lbs alone, i looked like a fat blow fish. i am sitting now at 185, trying to lean out alittle. I never did 5 whole cycles like all you make it out to be, chances are everyone who has said something negative, has taken more juice than myself. i've never done a whole 10 week cycle.. funny everyone thinks they know everything... noone ever said i gained 60 pounds of pure muscle.. im sure at 135 i was close to 9-10%.. now at 19% ... i read alot of the things you people say and it humors me.. i find it funny... here is a recent back pic..

**Pete235** · 11-18-2002, 06:13 AM

Two things.....1) Your back pic didn't show up. 2) I'm 35yrs old and in the middle of my 4th cycle...that's 2 cycles less than you. I'm 5'10" and 240lbs and was 215lbs before I even touched AAS. Again I will say, good luck and be safe, but I'm pretty sure we have shown that your way is NOT the way to go about things.

**john004** · 11-20-2002, 05:24 PM

i never said my way was the way to go.. all i said was i have gained that much, it is possible.. what you guys think about the way i look really doesn't matter to me, the whole reason for this thread in the first place was to let everyone know if there was a visable change doing a 2 i.u a day cycle of gh. Didn't have to be turned into this whole thing. but on the other hand, there are many, many more young kids like myself who have done alot more.. i know 18 year old kids that have stayed on year round. why does anyone post anything negative, i could understand trying to help someone with advise, but by saying " oh you look like you've never did a cycle " is just rediculous.. its like a buncha 10 year old kids arguing like babies. but whatever, the back pic says its to big .. maybe ill re-try for another.

**thickmass** · 11-20-2002, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by john004
I started juicing age 19, 135 pounds. I've been 195. Not bad for 1 year, 3 of those 5 cycles were 4-5 week cycle, the other 2 were 7. I know i have a poor diet, i am a very picky eater. I am just naturally a small person, always was intended to be small

You have cycled on for 3x4 weeks and 2x7 weeks. That is 26 weeks out of 52, also known as STOOOPID.

I'm sorry if you think everyone here is a 10 year old baby.

How the heck do you say you are naturally a small person? If you werent such a "picky eater" (read eating like a bird) you'd gain decent weight NATURALLY.

I'd love to call you a Dufus but that's 'childish' and negative.

**en1222** · 11-20-2002, 06:40 PM

Your right nipple looks like gyno. Just my opinion.

**CEO** · 11-20-2002, 08:49 PM

Hi I am 18 turning 19 in 3 months and new to this board,

I found this post interesting because I would like to bring to your attention John that AAS is not the answer, I agree with these guys in saying that being a "picky eater" is no excuse. At 17 1/2 I weighed in at 56kg at approximately 1.6cm. I had a growth specialist tell me I would remain at that height for the rest of my adulthood, therefore I took things into my own hands and ate like a maniac. The result was a gain of 30kg in 6 months, no lie. I ate appoximately 8 meals a day (full meals) to the point that i wanted to vomit. Even though i wasn't training at the time (because of school) I managed to get my weight up to 86kg.

Yes there were disadvantages (stretch marks) but i grew 10cm and now am a pretty solid build at 78kg. This just shows the advantages of eating, and training naturally. Adolescence is a blessing and should not be affected by injecting yourself unecessarily. No flame bro. You look good and I wish you all the best, but i guess the point I am trying to make is that no amount of AAS willl facilitate you like a proper diet.

**john004** · 11-20-2002, 10:20 PM

am i stupid.. maybe.. is there anyone else stupid on this board... deffently.. people taking 1g of test, 1g of deca 6 weeks of anadrol , and fina... with 14 week cycle.. but im stupid.. everyone is stupid and all of you say im lazy, and at the begining, i totally agree.. very lazy .. juice was the easy road.. picky eater .. i am.. but do i eat 6-8 meals a day.. yes.. not everyone is as fortunite to have the abilities and looks of some of you.. but its nice to know these board are full of stupid immature retarded juiced up idiots that are 5 years older than me.. but still talking shit.. i've stopped with all the cycles to learn more about lifting as a sport, there was alot i could work on .. just diets and lifting and form made a huge diffrence.. but for all you you saying im 30 look at me.. probably did over 30 cycles just to embarrased to admit it, because there people on these boards will call you " stooopid " ... if you went to school for a day instead of sticking a needle in your ass you would have learned how to spell first off. I know i have alot to work on, but post a picture of anyone, and i bet i can find something .. somewhere to pick on them about.. no one is perfect.

**Pete235** · 11-21-2002, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by john004
if you went to school for a day instead of sticking a needle in your ass you would have learned how to spell first off.

Interesting comment from somebody who spells definately "deffently".

You can complain all you want John, but nobody here flamed you. The definition of flaming is, disrespectful or malicious comments for the sake of being mean. The only thing that has been stated in your threads is that in the opinion of many on this board you should not be using AAS. You have already stated that you are a lazy trainer and a picky eater and anybody who has been safe and logical would have researched first and discovered that the afforementioned (diet and training) are the two most important factors in growing.

BTW...if the following statement "but for all you you saying im 30 look at me.. probably did over 30 cycles just to embarrased to admit it, because there people on these boards will call you " stooopid " " was directed at me, you have just proven to everybody that you are bitter person who cannot take the truth. One last thing, you do realize that "stooopid" is actually spelled "stupid"...right?

**D-LO** · 11-21-2002, 08:46 AM

Not to be a jerk, because it really doesn't matter, but the word is spelled "definitely", not definately or deffently. And not to stick up for john004, but he was quoting the word "stoopid" from thickmasses post.

**Pete235** · 11-21-2002, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by D-LO
Not to be a jerk, because it really doesn't matter, but the word is spelled "definitely", not definately

I should have used my spell check

Regardless, you see the point I was making, don't slam somebody for spelling errors if you can't spell yourself. And I know he didn't really think it was spelled "stoopid"

**Nilsson** · 11-21-2002, 10:16 AM

Dr Derek, i call that BS. I'm 18, all natural, I started at 169 one year ago (christmas time) I quit my Taido, and startes to build, now I'm 201. I've maximum raised my BF% bwith 1%

This all natural, still having 6squares on my stumach. So i belive, that someone small can gain 60 with AAS, if i can gain 30 without.

**jleighty17** · 11-21-2002, 10:44 AM

to everyone that is dissing him chill out #1 the one guy pointed out that he was on 26weeks out of 52, now doesnt everyone say time off=time on. and to the point of gaining 60 lbs in a year i can tell you that it can happen a friend of mine gained 50lbs in a year and he already had a good base to start with. and all he did was one cycle of dbol only which everyone knows is not a good thing. and his chest is not gyno he is just holding fat near his nipples i have a similiar look on my nipples and i dont have gyno. i dont want to start a big fight but i think everyone needs to quit pointing fingers and grow up.
your acting like 16 year olds.
but i also agree that you should just diet down with diet alone of even juice but u should not be using GH yet GH is used to break through a weight or once uve reached a point where AAS is not doing anything anymore.
JLI

**fast** · 11-21-2002, 10:54 AM

john004: You should focus on training HC naturally and forget AAS for a while.. just my opinnion

**Equiguns** · 11-21-2002, 10:18 PM

Wow, those of you saying there is no flaming on here...There is. Everyone is stupid in some way and everyone is smart in some ways. If this kid wants to do his cycles, let him!!! Why you guys ratting on others for spelling? For Juices sake!!! Now there might be a "dephinishen" for flaming but an outsider like me who comes in after all is said and done can see...see there is some rudeness and kiddie fighting going around. -----------Ok---------Now for the whole idea of who does what...everyone has there own opinion so if your 30 and have done 1 or 5 cycles good for you, give your advice in a sweet fatherly way and let the kid make up there mind. And if your the 18 year old do what you want...if you feel like your too young stop...if you feel that the info the old man gives you is good...USE it or DON't use it...just remember when it comes down to it there will never be a set day or set amount or set anything when it comes to steroids . You know when BB's used to take D-bol back in the day they would take the "dangerous" maximum of 15-25mg a day at body weights of 250 pounds. They would stay on for 3-6 weeks. there are alot of other facts I could b-dazzle you with but lets just say I know guys who are on D-Bol half the year and take 100mg/day...shit I used to shoot 1000mg test enth/week...600mg test prop/week and 800mg equi/week and then a whole lot more. Now I am not saying to do it but I had no side effects and only good to speak from it. My neighbor three houses down got on 200mg T2/week and got gyno, hair loss, and acne, as well as nut shrinkage...everything is relative.

**DRAKE** · 11-22-2002, 12:29 AM

Appearantly you haven't been around much AS. Last Feburary I was at 155 not sure of the bodyfat. Today I stand at 230 with 12-14% bf. There is a lot of factors in there too. I was hooked on meth and coke prior to that. I'm currently 19 and when I was 17 I was 195. I did three cycles this year so i know it's possible if you consider all the factors.

**john004** · 11-23-2002, 06:56 PM

**chicamahomico** · 11-23-2002, 08:44 PM

There is absolutely no question that some people can put on 60lbs in one year. I'm suprised that anyone who has been in a gym for over 5 years has not seen and met people who have done this. Myself, I have know at least four or five guys that have done it. There does seem to be some things in common with all of them though. They were all 17-19 years old, relatively small, nowhere near their genetic potential and all of the guys I know stayed on indefinitely unless they ran out of cash for gear.

**bodyd19** · 11-25-2002, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Derek

Excuse me for calling someones bluff. As for you calling it a flame, well its not a flame, its the truth. I never said he has a bad physique, it actually pretty good but the kid did not gain that much weight in 1 year sorry, and yes the 90 in my previous post was a typo it was suppose to be a 60. Thank you for bringing that to my attention

Sorry if I have offended anyone but I needed to say what I needed to say.

Hey dr. derek

I totally agree with you on some of the things you said but i am living proof that it is not imposible too gain that in much in that amount of a time period. I have pics posted when i was 135 in HS and went all the way too 210 and then cut up and went down to 185. Cheeck them out. They are under " New mwmber has more pics" in this forum. So as long as you bust your ass and do it right nothing is immposible.