Thread: 17

**thickmass** · 11-13-2002, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by setsthesun
i am not natural. I did two cycles, one with 200mg deca /week and 10mg dbols and one with 250mg omnadren /week. Very very low dosages. I'll start hitting some much heavier dosages as i want to compete and try to go to the europeans and further if i can.

Will i be a pro? You say i may be destined for it because of my genetics but i say since i live in romania it's getting harder and harder for me to keep up financially with my body. And nobody here seems willing to offer sponsorship to an athlete my age. They all seem interesed in 30-35 year old bbers...and that makes no fucking sense to me.

I agree you look a LOT older than 17, also this is what you posted on bolex

"and using 1 g test/8 days is not dumb. It's simply a subjective choice.
also you know i switched to 500mg/8 days because i;m bridging now. So i only was on 1 gram for 16 days."

"btw...you say not even half my dosage? and i thought you were using 250 mg omnadren and 600 deca/week. that's 850 mg gear/7 days. i use 1 gram/8 days....shit, someone forgot how to count."

"been up to 1.2 grams of test/week before. Took a month off, didn;t lose much. I didn;t even use clomid then. Then got back at 200 mg deca and 10 mg naps a day. I keep changing dosages to very low-very high. I use mediums too. I never keep a certain dosage or substance more than 3 weeks. So my body doesn;t adapt. I grow in a slow and steady pace even at 250mg test/week...then put in 500 then 1 gram/8 days. I blew up and now i;m getting back at the low dosages. I know the law of diminishing returns, but belive me i;m not at 1 gram/week year long."

CAN ANYBODY SEE THE SIMILARITY TO TENNIS GOD???

**David B.** · 11-13-2002, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by thickmass

I agree you look a LOT older than 17, also this is what you posted on bolex

The rapidly receding hair line doesn't help...

Roids at 17, bald as a cue ball by 19.

--dnb

**freakout** · 11-13-2002, 05:51 AM

setsthesun buddy

Keep pumping hard but remember not to over rely on roids. I wont stop you from using it but I would like you to remind you to be prepared everytime you want to use it.

You are awesome. Chest could be improved but you have 100% good delts I wish to have.

**setsthesun** · 11-14-2002, 03:49 AM

the fact that i have been up to 1.2 grams of test and recently 1 gram of test does not change the dosages i posted. These are the shock dosages....the 1.2 grams one i kept for a week and the 1 gram/8 days i kept for 12 days. THese dosages were in no way the base for my cycles.

**setsthesun** · 11-14-2002, 03:54 AM

who is TENNIS GOD? fill me in pls

**heyherc** · 11-14-2002, 05:45 PM

Okay bro, I personally think you look great from the waist up, I havent seen the wheel so I cant comment on them. Infact you look amazing for a 17yr old kid but you honestly DO NOT need gear yet, I understand you are young and nobody can tell you anything because at that age you know EVERYTHING already. Good luck to you and keep poundin the iron, hopefully when your my age you will dwarf what I am at this age.

**setsthesun** · 11-15-2002, 02:40 AM

well heyherc....you tell me i look great but i don't need aas. If i hadn;t been using aas i wouldn't have looked like this.

**heyherc** · 11-15-2002, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by setsthesun
well heyherc....you tell me i look great but i don't need aas. If i hadn;t been using aas i wouldn't have looked like this.

Wait just a minute ther sunny, how do you know what your natural abilities could have been since you didnt wait to see them. At your age you have a SHIT LOAD of growing potential, hell, you must because when I was your age I had wood all the time and wanted nothing more than to hump every chic I saw

, that means lots of natural test. I guess now you will never know because you have seen the progress from the gear and when you are off you will be discouraged by the standstill or at least the slowdown in progress when doing it natural so you will just HAVE to hop back on the juice train.

**setsthesun** · 11-16-2002, 01:40 AM

1) don;t call me sunny
2)my goal is to become a top world amateur iffbb competitor at the superheavyweights. If i were to wait around 4-5 more years to see where my natural test takes me.....well, it would take me absolutely nowhere from a competitive point of view

**testprop** · 11-16-2002, 05:52 AM

setsthesun, I can only wish you luck in your journey. Stay healthy and be smart about the drugs. I think you can be a top bodybuilder if you continue working hard. That's my opinion from a bodybuilding perspective, you don't wanna know my opinion from a medical perspective

**setsthesun** · 11-16-2002, 06:01 AM

actually, i do want to hear your medical perspective. I get angry when people start dissing me as "dumb teen" because i know a lot more than 95% of the people on this board. Before i first picked up a weight i was trying to find and read medical jurnals about steroids , supplements and weight trining as well as the mags and internet sites. And that hasn;t changed..i am and always will be looking for more info and opinions. That is, medical or at least well phrased opinions, not things like "you're fucking dumb cos you're juciing at that age"

**testprop** · 11-16-2002, 06:09 AM

I didn't say you were "dumb" even tho many doctors would probably call you that.

What I do say is that you have to be careful as you are really pushing the envelope here (every pro bodybuilder does).

What I suggest you to do is: check your blood pressure on a regular basis and have your blood analyzed in a lab at least twice a year (when not on a cycle).

Supplement-wise I suggest you to take fish oil (lots of it) to prevent any cardiovascular diseases. Also go high on vitamins and antioxidants.
And of course listen to your body!

**setsthesun** · 11-16-2002, 06:37 AM

but tell me your medical opinion...i know what i have to do to keep healthy.

**testprop** · 11-16-2002, 07:10 AM

My medical opinion: Don't become a competitive bodybuilder, stop the the juice and never take it again. Don't weigh more than 220 lbs.

**setsthesun** · 11-16-2002, 10:01 AM

ahh...shit man. Can;t you write a longer post pls? Give reasons for those. Your reasons. Your experience or quoting from other doctors' experiences

**heyherc** · 11-16-2002, 11:39 AM

Just like over on BOLEX eh sunny...oh sorry boat that setsthesun, you don't want good advice from anyone who has already been down this road sunny...oh shit I did it again, sorry setsthesun, but what you want to really hear is that you are the greatest and being a pro someday will not come with major health risks. You are 17 and like I said before, that is the age sunny.. shit I just can't stop myself now...setsthesun where you know EVERYTHING. So I tell ya what, you keep going about your buisness they way you plan to because again you know more than 95% of the people on these boards at a ripe old age of 17 and when you reach your goals, come back and look me up with your medical chart and your Sandow okay, okay.

**setsthesun** · 11-16-2002, 11:58 AM

heyherc...it's so funny it's sad. I like the fact that you actually think you're above me only because you're older. Time doens't grant superiority my friend. I have outsmarted, outread, and beaten brilliant men, well read men and huge men. Maybe it wasn't all due to my abilities, but partly also to the fact that they all UNDERESTIMATED me. Yeah...i'm 17. Yeah, that really doesn't matter. I am smarter, better read and there are 99% chances that i can beat the crap out of you. That is, unless you have been spending your last years training in full-contact martial arts like some of us did. Remember, you're not the best thing to hit reality since toasted bread just because you've grown a beard. Btw...i can grow one too.
If you think that only because you're sitting behind a computer can you can spit out nonsense like you did in your last post, well, you're definetly not wrong. You can do that. But it does not make you in any way better than you really are. Be glad...internet allows you to call me sunny. I am glad too..because in real life i'd brake any number of your major bones.

**Penetrator** · 11-16-2002, 12:21 PM

I think u look great and u have a very nice potential, but the fact still remains: 17 years old. Be patient and let time come to u. Dont blow it all away like many young bb have done before u. You like to educate yourself and thats a good thing, but is 1.2 g of test as a "one week high" a nice way to do things? Until u are older I recommend u to keep cycles moderate, obviously ur gonna keep on juicing. Be safe and use this board among other sources in the pursuing of ur goals.

**chicamahomico** · 11-16-2002, 01:09 PM

Dude looks good and seems to know what he wants in life. I don't see what the problem is? After someone has made up their mind there is little point in preaching, so lets forego anymore 'you're too young posts' to this thread. By the time a got this far down I couldn't even remember what the original thread topic was. Reminds me of EF

About a medical opinion. If you are willing to attempt to become a pro you'll be subjecting yourself to levels of drugs(roids, gh, slin, diuretics. clen etc) that would be defined as severe abuse, by medical standards, for many years. What effects will this have on your heath? Reality of the situation is no one can really tell you, there are way to many variables in the equation.

**Iron horse** · 11-16-2002, 01:37 PM

yep, he's 17, he threated to beat the crap out of someone

ahh, to be young and immature again... jk, im fairly young too.

**heyherc** · 11-16-2002, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Iron horse
yep, he's 17, he threated to beat the crap out of someone

ahh, to be young and immature again... jk, im fairly young too.

Ya bro, I was thinking the same thing

Oh and setsthesun (there is that better my young knowitall friend

) you truely do act your age when you start threatening people through a computer monitor and start braging about how you are bruce fuckin lee. I never once insulted you, and a sure as hell never said in your word anything like this and I quote "I like the fact that you actually think you're above me only because you're older". in fact I said a few times that you look great and that I wish I had your dedication at 17 but I didn't. Why the temper tantrum, is it because you refuse to listen to anyone that tells you something that you don't want to here? And lastly, you saying "99% chances that i can beat the crap out of you. That is, unless you have been spending your last years training in full-contact martial arts like some of us did. " is just a load of shit, you don't know me and you don't know my history so try not to sound so stupid for someone claiming to be so smart. I will try to make this my last responce to any of your threads but unfotunatley my wife claimes that "I have to get the last word in" so to speak, so we shall see.

**Dr. Derek** · 11-16-2002, 08:50 PM

well I thought I might put in my two cents, they may not mean a thing to you STS but here they are. First I will tell you that I have been involved in bodybuilding for well over a decade, I've seen people come and go, I have buried good friends of mine, with the youngest being 22 years old, basically because they were involved in the bodybuilding "lifestyle". I do not live in california or las vegas, I'm from rural United States. The bug has no boundries, you can catch it here and you can catch it in Sudan, it does not fucking matter, for many of us Bodybuilding is a phsycological addiction, it fills a gap in our lives. No matter what you believe Bodybuilding is about looking healthy not feeling healthy and if your willing to give up your life or years off your life to try to become the best bodybuilder YOU can be, then thats your decission, but all in all there is more to life then slinging iron, eating shitloads of food and competition bodybuilding. You remind me of myself 17 years ago when I was all ate up, I was big, stubborn, and fucking stupid. I would have used AAS if they were available when I was fourteen, but luckily back in those days they were not as accessible as they are now. I started using when I was 20, which in my opinion is too young.

As I read this post and watch you try to argue your point, by saying "tell me, why" in one sentence and then saying that you have read several medical journals and literature about AAS in the next sentence, it is obvious to me that you havn't. You can read all the medical journals you want, they are not gonna tell you anything about AAS as it pertains to building muscle to the point we as bodybuilders take it.

Testprop gives you the best advice in this entire thread, stop everything and maintian a healthy weight. Now, knowing that niether you nor I will ever take that kind of advice we can only sit back and learn from people on this board, I will bet they there over half of the people on this board have more practical experience with AAS then you have, unless of course your started juicing when you were 10. There are are a lot people (BBers and Pwlftr's) on this board who know thier shit about AAS.

Now, I would go into a entire list of why you should not use at all, specifically at that young of an age but I'm sure that with all the reading you do you will soon find out, besides I'm really only 16 myself and would not feel comfortable giving you my advice.

On a more serious note, advice and opinions are different, I'm sure you will get someone here who would be able to give you some great advice, but more will give you thier opinion.

**broncojosh** · 11-16-2002, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by setsthesun
because i know a lot more than 95% of the people on this board. I am smarter, better read and there are 99% chances that i can beat the crap out of you.

If anybody questioned the fact that this kid is 17, I think he has pretty much cleared that up. Bro, you reply about how we all should post honestly to other peoples pictures, well, let me tell ya somthing...don't get so pissed when people say you are doing more harm that good. There is no doubt that your pictures look okay, but at what cost? I can tell you that you have outragious genetics, and you didn't get close to your natural potential before juicing, and that your hormone levels have to be so far out of wack with the way your are jacking your levels up and down..."shocking" your system as you call it. Do what you want, because I personally don't give a fuck, but when you come onto our board, and have this I'm a badass, that's bigger, smarter, stronger, I can kick your ass attitude, we all just sit back and laugh at you, not drool at your pictures, as you probably imagine. Oh, and you have no idea about about any of our training in anything, so keep these wonderfully childish comments at home.
peace
bronco

**Damien** · 11-17-2002, 12:14 AM

damn dude your huuuggeee... im 17 too, and i would kill to look like you... lol i posted a threat about wanting to try using steroids , but i was quickly shot down... it seems there are advantages to using it even when your young... i think your fully right dude if you wanna be a pro theres no point to wait for your natural test to work especially since your not planning to compete in a natural show...

**FmRommel** · 11-17-2002, 02:49 AM

Damien,
Why dont you get your hand out of his pants? Been quite enough strokin for one thread.
This kid is not gonna listen and he obviously thinks he is not only the new Arnold, but he seems to be Dan Duchaine jr....so, what the hell?
Let him go.....and send him some viagra for his early 30's

Peace

**Psycoswole** · 11-17-2002, 06:34 PM

Hey bro at 17 you are setting yourself up bigtime, physically and psychologically. You are going to end up relying on AAS to have a good physique. You ever wonder what happened to a lot of the pro bodybuilders of the early to mid 90s? They burnt themselves out bro. Many now have to deal with health issues just to maintain healthy rather than to bodybuild. Now look at the guys from the early days. Most of these guys are in their 50s and still have awesome physiques. Reason being is they just used AAS to put finishing touches on a physique rather than to rely on them to build it like most of the guys today.

**setsthesun** · 11-18-2002, 05:07 AM

i like it when people think bb didn;t use massive amounts of roidz in thr 50's to 70's. bottom line is, they did.

**setsthesun** · 11-18-2002, 05:24 AM

plus...lol...aas are not for finishing touches. Unless you can call the last 60 pounds of muscle on a competitive body a "finishing touch"

**Mr Cardo** · 11-18-2002, 07:21 AM

15 % bf

**Psycoswole** · 11-18-2002, 11:27 AM

60lbs of muscle? Who are we talking about bro? Im talking about Reeves, Pearl, Russell the guys from that era. Find some pictures of these guys and youll know what im talking about when i say finishing touches. In fact try to find some current pics of recently retired bbs and then go look at some pics of bill russell at the age of 50+ and make the call about "massive amounts" of roids lol.
Its your body bro do what you want. I know youll wish you had listened to us, but its part of life. Live and learn.

Who are you trying to rationalize the use of AAS for? Us or for yourself? Trying to rationalize and justify mistakes prevents you from learning from them. Best of luck bro, youre going to need it

**Carlos_E** · 11-18-2002, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Psycoswole
60lbs of muscle? Who are we talking about bro? Im talking about Reeves, Pearl, Russell the guys from that era. Find some pictures of these guys and youll know what im talking about when i say finishing touches. In fact try to find some current pics of recently retired bbs and then go look at some pics of bill russell at the age of 50+ and make the call about "massive amounts" of roids lol.
Its your body bro do what you want. I know youll wish you had listened to us, but its part of life. Live and learn.

Who are you trying to rationalize the use of AAS for? Us or for yourself? Trying to rationalize and justify mistakes prevents you from learning from them. Best of luck bro, youre going to need it

Nice!

**setsthesun** · 11-18-2002, 01:14 PM

i was talking about the arnold era. even the larry scott times. frank zane, arnold, mentzer, sergio olivia and so on. Steve Reeves isn;t a bodybuilder by today's standards. I am sure that in a year or so i will be a lot more massive and well-shaped than steve reeves was. That;s why for him aas were finishing touches and for me they're not. Btw...did you talk to him to know if they were finishing touches. I don;t think so because, sadly (and i am not ironic in any way here...i have a great respect for him) he's dead now. But my point is those guys, back then, didn;t even know about side-effects. So why wouldn;t they use smth that gave great results and had no bad sides????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????

**setsthesun** · 11-18-2002, 01:22 PM

i just finished looking at some photos of steve reeves. I think that, at 17, i am already bigger than steve reeves was most of the time (i saw only one or two photos in which his arms looked over 16.5-17 inches). That's got to say smth about his genetics. Or about training style. Nevetheless...he is a legend and has his place in the sport.

**Psycoswole** · 11-18-2002, 01:50 PM

Check out Pearl and Russell bro, they set a better example.

Im sure they knew aas had side effects just like EVERY OTHER drug but did not know what they were. With a situation like that anyone would be sketchy about taking a drug lol.
As you get older your priorities will change. Its a slow process for some but you will slowly realize that you are playing off your insecurities. You should be playing this game for longevity. You win this game when you can still maintain a solid physique well past your thirties and forties. You are putting yourself at a very very high risk level for many of the diseases that we have to deal with. As you get older and mature you see yourself as being mortal, and your health then becomes a top priority. Untill then youll be trying to feed your confidence with aas blowing off what others have to say. Believe it or not the people responding to this post are just trying to HELP and advise because we were once your age. Remember bro longevity, good luck.

**thetank** · 11-18-2002, 04:24 PM

im gonna ignore everything ive read in this thread and give you an honest unbiased opinion on what i see. (regarding your physique that is, not your character.)
for 17 you are a damn animal, awesome back/shoulders/arms, entire upper body is basically unlike any other 17 yr old ive ever seen, but if you were 20 lbs smaller, and natural, which i gaurentee you could have achieved, i would be more impressed.
im 19, 5'5 220 natural(powerlifter), and trust me in my current situation i think about starting the sauce allllllll the time, regardless of what i want, i wont do it, not untill im at least 20-21, and reach a plateau, and the gains feel non exsistant. why waste natural growth? if you really want to make this a lasting career, you need to slow down, take a break from the aas, grow naturally.
good luck,
tank

**Dr. Derek** · 11-18-2002, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by setsthesun
i like it when people think bb didn;t use massive amounts of roidz in thr 50's to 70's. bottom line is, they did.

By todays standard the dosages arnold, franco, sergio, and zane used are baby weight to what top ameaturs and pros use.

today your looking at or around 30 iu gh a DAY or more
3 to 6 grams a test a week
250 mg AD a day
100 mg dbol to top that off
oh and lets not forget about the the 300 mcg t-3 a day to keep the fat off.

I'm not shittin fellas.

Give this sport 4 more years and your gonna see alot of people dying, your already seeing people tear muscles, tendons and ligiments on a daily basis. How much muscle can you put on a human frame before you become a human corpse?

Good luck I really do wish you the best in your endeavor, I just hope that you accomplish what you set out to do. If your gonna go for broke than what the fuck "JUST DO IT".

**primodonna** · 11-18-2002, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Derek

If your gonna go for broke than what the fuck "JUST DO IT".

That's the bottom line. If your goal is to be a pro, you can't put a priority on your health...that is the truth. So do what you need to do, and be happy doing it

You've gotten enough lectures already so good luck

**B-BOY** · 11-18-2002, 09:25 PM

damn bro you just tell it like it is, and i love it..lol you are the man bro... anyway hey kid its your life and im not going to preach to someone with earplugs in... so good luck bro... just wished ya wouldn't have pulled the tough guy attitude cause you were sounding somewhat intelligent until the tough guy attitude...good luck on becoming a pro..

**setsthesun** · 11-18-2002, 10:59 PM

there was a post about what the early pros used a few days ago on anabolex. A guy who trained with some of the pros back then came and said the amounts were huge. Not as much as today, but not that far. They didn;t have gh and insulin back then, and a lot of other drugs. But the had real primo and enough dbols to throw away. They all used A LOT.

**Pete235** · 11-19-2002, 06:29 AM

Did you even read the three posts previous your last post? You've heard all the objections and obviously you have your mind made up, so just go ahead and do what you want. No need to keep the thread going for the sake of argueing...just do it!