Zeus' competition entry 17 April 2017

[hammerheart]

Here is my blood work... they may not be 100%. Going to start going for my own blood work unbelievable the amount of hassle the nhs are giving me. Was at the docs this morning for something that is hopefully unrelated to low test.... but I mentioned the blood work and she went off at me and gave me scolding for wasting nhs money and that I'm fine...

What happened there? I recall your levels being 2x those.

I can see the SHBG has normalized, when T is not bound anymore will clear out faster, leading to lower Total levels.

That means a real issue low T issue exists imo.

Can't you get a private endo?

[hollowedzeus]

Keep on going Zeus.
Sorry bout the low T issues, see how it plays out.
But switch doc if she doesn't help you and you feel you need it.

See your new avi.
Hope it isn't on empty all the time brother.

Hmm, what am I gonna eat now I wonder?

Thanks man. I understand what many people go through with docs disregarding problems now lol. I don't let it get me down.

I would love to smash a pizza right now. Been going crazy with somecl cookies and cream flavour protein powder haha

[hollowedzeus]

What happened there? I recall your levels being 2x those.

I can see the SHBG has normalized, when T is not bound anymore will clear out faster, leading to lower Total levels.

That means a real issue low T issue exists imo.

Can't you get a private endo?

Hi biz how have you been keeping?

It was around the same time in the morning as the last one however, I did have oats right before leaving as I wasn't aware I was getting my blood test. I don't know how much that has impacted it. But total has dropped from 16 - 9nmol/l and free from 286pmol/l to 226pmol/l

Shgb was around 44 before i believe. I've been reading alot of low t logs and I don't have the low mood/depression that alot of people seem to experience.
I've also seen alot of logs where people are just itching for a reason or justification for starting gear early. I hope I don't come across as that....

I've heard that a local pharmacy chain sells cialis otc if you go in for a sort of interview thing... I might look into doing that...

I believe a private endo would be extremely expensive... I don't have the cash for it... it's not really destroying my life atm if I feel the need to escalate it in the future I will crash my t to the floor so that my doctors can't not send me.... I imagine that if I tried o would be successful in doing this...

[hammerheart]

Hi biz how have you been keeping?

It was around the same time in the morning as the last one however, I did have oats right before leaving as I wasn't aware I was getting my blood test. I don't know how much that has impacted it. But total has dropped from 16 - 9nmol/l and free from 286pmol/l to 226pmol/l

Shgb was around 44 before i believe. I've been reading alot of low t logs and I don't have the low mood/depression that alot of people seem to experience.
I've also seen alot of logs where people are just itching for a reason or justification for starting gear early. I hope I don't come across as that....

I've heard that a local pharmacy chain sells cialis otc if you go in for a sort of interview thing... I might look into doing that...

I believe a private endo would be extremely expensive... I don't have the cash for it... it's not really destroying my life atm if I feel the need to escalate it in the future I will crash my t to the floor so that my doctors can't not send me.... I imagine that if I tried o would be successful in doing this...

I don't don't see food messing with sex hormones assays.

It's good that you aren't suffering from low T moods, it affects ppl differently, maybe your brain hasn't witnessed any higher fT levels, so has nothing to complain about.

Your right ppl seek excuses for everything all of the time.

Cialis... if you feel the need for it it's ok, it's a great drug, the patent will expire this year so prices are going down too.


Have you even looked into it? No idea about prices over there but mine charges £100 per visit.


As I understand the NHS, it's only a matter of levels and ranges, if at any point you fall below you will automatically flagged for low T and referred to an endo. That doesn't mean him/her will be of help though, but in the case, if you need replacement, seek nebido.

[hammerheart]

Hi biz how have you been keeping?

I'm shit I managed to gain 10kg of fat, BP went through the roof and will need meds if I can't fix it otherwise, both thyroid and TRT are all messed up.

But hey, I'm sure I can fix it. But I need to come down from Test, the fat gain doesn't help at all with E2 conversion, it was already a problem before.

[hollowedzeus]

Oh dear... I hope all is well soon. I don't know how much they help but have you tried the celery juicing protocol thing for the bp? I see that recommended alot. Might be a stroke of luck if it works and it means you don't need to add any drugs to your routine...?

Yeah maybe thats it. Ever since puberty I've kind of felt this way. When I had a girlfriend I used to get her off so she would try to have sex or bother with me haha (cry).

I've actually not looked into it. I read it in a post online last week. Just saw it in passing.

I just feel like I'm still young though. Popping cialis at 18 can't be good... would that not mean I would have to rely on it for life like a dependence of sort?

Hmm I'll ride it out for another year or two with regular blood tests. I don't really want to make a forever decision at this age... even if I was offered it

[DocToxin8]

Oh dear... I hope all is well soon. I don't know how much they help but have you tried the celery juicing protocol thing for the bp? I see that recommended alot. Might be a stroke of luck if it works and it means you don't need to add any drugs to your routine...?

Yeah maybe thats it. Ever since puberty I've kind of felt this way. When I had a girlfriend I used to get her off so she would try to have sex or bother with me haha (cry).

I've actually not looked into it. I read it in a post online last week. Just saw it in passing.

I just feel like I'm still young though. Popping cialis at 18 can't be good... would that not mean I would have to rely on it for life like a dependence of sort?

Hmm I'll ride it out for another year or two with regular blood tests. I don't really want to make a forever decision at this age... even if I was offered it

No the cialis ain't addictive.
It might even help raise T levels, not by any direct means and it's a long stretch though.
But don't be afraid to use it, nothing but good stuff.

Hormones on the other hand, that's usually a one way ticket.

Good your not depressed or nothing.
But low T over time can take its toll.
Just take care to follow it up.
If you got really low T you don't want that in terms of cardiovascular risk over time either. (I'm talking years and years here)

So just take your time and get it sorted as best you can.

[hollowedzeus]

No the cialis ain't addictive.
It might even help raise T levels, not by any direct means and it's a long stretch though.
But don't be afraid to use it, nothing but good stuff.

Hormones on the other hand, that's usually a one way ticket.

Good your not depressed or nothing.
But low T over time can take its toll.
Just take care to follow it up.
If you got really low T you don't want that in terms of cardiovascular risk over time either. (I'm talking years and years here)

So just take your time and get it sorted as best you can.

Thanks for your thoughts doc. I'll definitely keep an eye on it. Can't really see myself getting a girlfriend with my mindset atm anyway.

Going to order bloodwork in 6-8 weeks with lh, fsh and estridial to see where I'm at...

I know it's been kind of debunked that my father using aas for a long ass time has been kind of debunked for causing this but it seems like too much of a coincidence...

He was also of the generation of 'wtf is pct.

Sort of unfair that he claims *******ly that he is 100% fine

[hammerheart]

Oh dear... I hope all is well soon. I don't know how much they help but have you tried the celery juicing protocol thing for the bp? I see that recommended alot. Might be a stroke of luck if it works and it means you don't need to add any drugs to your routine...?

Yeah maybe thats it. Ever since puberty I've kind of felt this way. When I had a girlfriend I used to get her off so she would try to have sex or bother with me haha (cry).

I've actually not looked into it. I read it in a post online last week. Just saw it in passing.

I just feel like I'm still young though. Popping cialis at 18 can't be good... would that not mean I would have to rely on it for life like a dependence of sort?

Hmm I'll ride it out for another year or two with regular blood tests. I don't really want to make a forever decision at this age... even if I was offered it

As wise as it may sound waiting might not be the best option, you need androgen exposure now, when your growth window (both brain and physical) it's still open, to achieve your full potential, just my two, take it with a grain of salt, but just care you don't wait too much.

[hollowedzeus]

As wise as it may sound waiting might not be the best option, you need androgen exposure now, when your growth window (both brain and physical) it's still open, to achieve your full potential, just my two, take it with a grain of salt, but just care you don't wait too much.

Sure is a tricky one... I will have to have a serious think about this... I don't want to be jabbing my arse for the rest of my days but I'll see. I value your thoughts on trt. I will ride it out till the end of this year definitely with a few blood tests under my belt. If I see no improvement I may take action.

I thought my test levels would have massively increased because I'm having nearly 400g of carbs a day most days... I was 0 carb last blood work

[hollowedzeus]

I am mere minutes away from tearing the arse out of bi's and tri's...

Brace yourselves

[hollowedzeus]

Day 24

Not much to say about today. Had a very indoors kind of day. Felt quite jittery this morning and just rode it out playing video games today... sort of a write off in that respect. Training went alright tonight pushed as hard as I could bit still wasn't 110%.

Need to get used to training triceps properly. Used the Smith machine for close grip bench press... Felt some shoulders and chest coming into play, I have to work on that one. Also when doing French press with a dumbbell I felt a bit stretch across my right triceps... Hope I wasn't about to pop my muscle because I just continued...

Feel alot better after the gym mentally. Would highly recommend for peace therapy. Really clears your head.

TRAINING
Smith machine close grip bench
2 Warm up
2 working sets 70kg on bar 50kg on bar with partials

Straight bar bicep curl
Warm up
2 working sets 35kg and 35kg drop 25kg

Overhead dumbbell French press
Warm up
2 working sets 32kg and 32kg drop 28kg

Preacher curl machine single arm
2 working sets
32kg 4 or 5 reps 6 or so negs
28kg " "

Dips
3 sets
20 15 12

DIET
550g chicken
500g rice
160g oats
Spinach
1 banana
50g peanut butter
Baguette
Tuna
3200ish calories

SUPPLEMENTS
3000mg fish oil
Zma
Msm glucosamine
Multivitimin
Creatine
Bcaa
Nac
Greens supplement
Vit D3 800iu
50mg synephrine

[hollowedzeus]

First picture cold 2nd pumped

[Myers]

Thanks for your thoughts doc. I'll definitely keep an eye on it. Can't really see myself getting a girlfriend with my mindset atm anyway.

Going to order bloodwork in 6-8 weeks with lh, fsh and estridial to see where I'm at...

I know it's been kind of debunked that my father using aas for a long ass time has been kind of debunked for causing this but it seems like too much of a coincidence...

He was also of the generation of 'wtf is pct.

Sort of unfair that he claims *******ly that he is 100% fine

Same issue , father that used AAS , and i had low T , i'm on nebido for 2 years now feeling great.
I'm gonna jump over the edge here , but whatever others say i still think his usage of AAS has something to do with my low T.
Find the right endo and sort it out , it's really changes your life for the better

[hollowedzeus]

Same issue , father that used AAS , and i had low T , i'm on nebido for 2 years now feeling great.
I'm gonna jump over the edge here , but whatever others say i still think his usage of AAS has something to do with my low T.
Find the right endo and sort it out , it's really changes your life for the better

Oh this is getting interesting... thank you myers again for chiming in. Would you mind me asking what your test levels were roughly pre-trt?

I'm definitely going to try to get it up without trt for the rest of this year. If I can't do it I may seek out nebido if there is nothing drastically wrong with my body like a Tumor or something...

Big decision... I need to think about it. Nothing needs to be decided now but I firmly believe I will need trt to thrive.


Pinning all blame firmly on daddo. There should be more research on this definetly...

Thanks again!

[Myers]

Oh this is getting interesting... thank you myers again for chiming in. Would you mind me asking what your test levels were roughly pre-trt?

I'm definitely going to try to get it up without trt for the rest of this year. If I can't do it I may seek out nebido if there is nothing drastically wrong with my body like a Tumor or something...

Big decision... I need to think about it. Nothing needs to be decided now but I firmly believe I will need trt to thrive.


Pinning all blame firmly on daddo. There should be more research on this definetly...

Thanks again!

Don't remember , u can actually search and find my HRT thread , they were below the ref.range

If u ever need motivation i can send u my before and after TRT lol

[hollowedzeus]

Don't remember , u can actually search and find my HRT thread , they were below the ref.range

If u ever need motivation i can send u my before and after TRT lol

I had a wee peek. They sure were lower than mine.

The thing t hats putting me off the most. Is that in most trt threads, vets that are on trt are so against younger guys signing up...

I would want to exaust other possible problems before jumping on the replacement train. My next lot of bloodwork will have lh fsh and e2. This should give me a clearer picture of where I'm at. If lh is on the higher side that would indicate secondary hypogonadism if I'm right

[Myers]

I had a wee peek. They sure were lower than mine.

The thing t hats putting me off the most. Is that in most trt threads, vets that are on trt are so against younger guys signing up...

I would want to exaust other possible problems before jumping on the replacement train. My next lot of bloodwork will have lh fsh and e2. This should give me a clearer picture of where I'm at. If lh is on the higher side that would indicate secondary hypogonadism if I'm right

Well your doc can try with clomid therapy which is effective in some cases, not in mine though but might work for u

[hollowedzeus]

Well your doc can try with clomid therapy which is effective in some cases, not in mine though but might work for u

If I were to seek treatment I would ask for nebido off the bat. I would want to fanny about with hcg mono or clomid....

Is Clomid a sustainable long term form of treatment? I would have though lh and fsh would stop being stimulated after a while

[Myers]

If I were to seek treatment I would ask for nebido off the bat. I would want to fanny about with hcg mono or clomid....

Is Clomid a sustainable long term form of treatment? I would have though lh and fsh would stop being stimulated after a while

I think it is , not sure though , didnt work for me ,Kel can help u out with answers about that

Btw great progress, even with T on the lower side , now imagine if u fixed that , with mindset that marcus bestowed upon u, gains are certain!

Keep going , i'm following this thread!

[hollowedzeus]

I think it is , not sure though , didnt work for me ,Kel can help u out with answers about that

Thanks for all you help man

It's been all that's in my head for the past couple of days. I really hope I can pull it up naturally. I don't feel tribulus does anything at all and I've been taking zma and vit d. More research is called for!

Thanks myers

[hollowedzeus]

Felt pretty full today with my 15 something inch gunz

[AKD_FitChick]

Looking good!!! Still pushing it! Like it.


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[hollowedzeus]

Looking good!!! Still pushing it! Like it.

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Thank you very much how are you getting on with those kidney stones? Sounds pretty brutal hope everything is alright haha

[AKD_FitChick]

Thank you very much how are you getting on with those kidney stones? Sounds pretty brutal hope everything is alright haha

As of right now, I am hating them. I am pushing through and getting lifts in. But right now they suck.

I will be back and posting lifts soon!

You really are doing a great job. Glad you listened to the guys here. They are awesome! You are great on here too!


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[hollowedzeus]

As of right now, I am hating them. I am pushing through and getting lifts in. But right now they suck.

I will be back and posting lifts soon!

You really are doing a great job. Glad rob listened to the guys here. They are awesome! You are great on here too!

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Hopefully it all clears up soon then eh?

Thanks yeah I'm glad i did too. I almost stubborn enough to just say 'no I'm cutting' but if I did that I'd be sitting here right now at 168lbs or so with no muscle at and probably still 20% bodyfat hah!

[hollowedzeus]

Heading to the gym later to crack out some back. Row row row... gonna be wide as F....!

[hollowedzeus]

Fueled and ready to go. Here we!

[ghettoboyd]

Heading to the gym later to crack out some back. Row row row... gonna be wide as F....!

yea its back day for me as well... hit it hard bro....

[hollowedzeus]

yea its back day for me as well... hit it hard bro....

Nice ghetto! I killed it! Let me know how you get on.

You doing back on its own or doing another muscle group with it?

[hollowedzeus]

Day 25

Had an excellent training session today. Really put the work in trying to develop my technique. I've really not got a lot going on in my life right now. Trying to full my day with eating and watching info YouTube videos and such. Not too interesting. Gym squared me right up. Felt brand new when I came out... bounced straight to Lidl for some basmati rice post workout.

TRAINING
Dead lifts
5 sets final 2 160kg

Underhand rows
4 sets 70kg

1 arm row
40kg dumbell

Lat pulldown
3 sets straight and d bar
60ish kg

Assisted pullups 2 sets to fail

3 sets reverse curls 25kg
3 sets behind back forarm roll 45kg

DIET
550g chicken
750g rice
160g oats
1 banana
50g peanut butter
3000ish calories

SUPPLEMENTS
3000mg fish oil
Zma
Msm glucosamine
Multivitimin
Creatine
Bcaa
Nac
Greens supplement
Vit D3 800iu
200mg caffeine

[tarmyg]

Are you already taking Vitamin D?

[hollowedzeus]

Are you already taking Vitamin D?

Yes ive ordered a higher dose tho because my doctor thinks 800iu is going to solve all of my problems haha

[Obs]

Felt pretty full today with my 15 something inch gunz

Damn zeus! You are doing this natty? The others better pick up the pace, I see more improvement with you than an others. Fuck around son!

[hollowedzeus]

Damn zeus! You are doing this natty? The others better pick up the pace, I see more improvement with you than an others. Fuck around son!

Hah! Would be super irresponsible of me to take droooogs like

I have f all going on in my life right now i am living to eat and train. Better win this.... or im tracking you down and slapping you because its all your fault

On a serious note thank you very much for your support

[Obs]

Hah! Would be super irresponsible of me to take droooogs like

I have f all going on in my life right now i am living to eat and train. Better win this.... or im tracking you down and slapping you because its all your fault

On a serious note thank you very much for your support

You are on track to win without a doubt

[hollowedzeus]

You are on track to win without a doubt

I am awaiting progress pictures from the guys. Ghetto is starting him blast next week also.

Newbie vs seasoned older gentlemen lol

But i still feel i have the upper hand. Stocked up on cranberries and rice.
Its all mine

[Obs]

I am awaiting progress pictures from the guys. Ghetto is starting him blast next week also.

Newbie vs seasoned older gentlemen lol

But i still feel i have the upper hand. Stocked up on cranberries and rice.
Its all mine

Lmao

[hollowedzeus]

Lmao

How have you been keeping obs? Work going good?

[Obs]

How have you been keeping obs? Work going good?

Work is good, allergies got me yesyerday and I literally ate nothing all day. Other than that I am strong as hell and hard as iron. Thanks for asking!