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    Abortion may have a huge impact on America.

    Mother Russia now sees more abortions than babies born
    From Jeremy Page in Moscow
    IN THE two days since Lisa Petrachkova was born, Russia’s population has dropped by an estimated 2,000 people.

    By the time she is one, more than 200,000 Russians will have died of unnatural causes; almost seven times the estimated civilian deaths in Iraq since the war began.

    By her 50th birthday, Russia’s population could have halved, based on current trends. Little does she know it as she lies next to her mother, Masha, in a Moscow maternity ward, but Lisa is on the front line of a national fight for survival. By Russian standards, she is lucky to have made it even this far: last year, there were 1.6 million registered abortions in Russia and 1.5 million births.

    “The situation is critical,” said Vladimir Kulakov, deputy head of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences and an adviser to President Putin on the demographic crisis. “The most important thing for every nation is to have confidence in its future.”

    Russia’s population has been in decline since 1992 due to poor medical care, one of the world’s least healthy diets, and a national weakness for vodka.

    Experts say the crisis is reaching a critical level that threatens not only its economic development, but its very existence.

    According to the Federal Statistics Service, the population of 143 million could plummet to 77 million by the middle of this century. It dropped by almost half a million in the last year alone.

    Mr Putin raised the issue in April, calling it a “national crisis”, but the Government has yet to respond. Mr Putin is now under pressure to dip into the Stabilisation Fund, designed to save excess oil revenues, to arrest the population decline.

    “Everyone says they agree with me and we have to do something, but they have yet to take action,” said Professor Kulakov. He was among the first to highlight the issue in Pravda, the Communist Party newspaper, in 1986, but his article fell on deaf ears.

    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, he tried to get the Duma to provide incentives for families to procreate but conservative politicians blocked his proposals. Only now is the Kremlin sitting up and listening. Life expectancy for Russian men has dropped to 58.8, which is 20 years below the average in Iceland. The main killer is heart disease but death by unnatural causes — industrial accidents, car crashes, military conflict — comes second, killing 200,000 people every year.

    “This looks like a battlefield loss rate,” said Irina Sbarskaya, head of the Federal Statistics Service population department.

    Russia’s birth rate, meanwhile, has risen slightly as baby-boomers from the 1980s reach reproductive age. But it is still way below the levels needed to keep the population stable. The result is that Russia will not have enough workers to drive its economy by around 2020.

    Natalya Rimashevskaya, a population analyst, said: “We have reached a point of no return. In terms of numbers there will never be more of us than before. But this is not the worst of it. The danger is that we are reaching another point of no return, in terms of the quality of the population.”

    That much is already clear from the number of Russian schoolchildren, which has dropped by one million a year since 1999, according to the Education Ministry.

    There are now 5,604 schools in Russia with only ten pupils each. The short-term solution is to attract immigrants, especially ethnic Russians from former Soviet republics. But an influx of immigrants in the 1990s has already triggered a violent xenophobic backlash which threatens Russia’s social stability.

    Over the long term, life expectancy in Russia will gradually improve if the Government maintains political stability and economic growth.

    The problem comes in trying to increase the birth rate.

    According to Professor Kulakov, 10 million Russians are sterile due to botched abortions, venereal diseases and exposure to radiation or harmful chemicals. Among those who are fertile, as in the West, couples are choosing to have fewer children, and later, because of the cost of raising them.

    The Russian Government pays new mothers a one-off stipend of 8,000 roubles (£150) and then 500 roubles a month after the first year. But that barely covers basic costs.

    Masha Petrachkova, 26, and her husband, Aleksei, delayed having children in order to finish their studies and save enough money to move out of her parents’ apartment. She would like a second child, but is worried about supporting Lisa.

    “We’ll see how life goes and we’ll try to give Lisa everything she wants but it will be hard,” she said. “If you don’t have the financial resources in Russia, then you shouldn’t give birth.”




    I believe one of the major problems of social security is Abortion. There are less younger than older to help out.

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    Another problem is that the lowerclass are breeding 10x as fast as middle/upper class. There is no reason to have more than one or two children/family, it just doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by books555


    There are less younger than older to help out.
    Are you aware of the rate at which the human population is multiplying?

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    OMG! theyre having abortions! the human race is going to vanish from the face of the earth

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    actually, books55 is right. Abortion is ruining our country in many, many ways. It's really the most heinous evil around, and yes, the population is actually DECREASING!

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    funny that people want to increase population when there is already far to many of us. There should be a worldwide law that only 1 kid/family is allowed in highly populated countries and 2 kid/family in the less populated countries.

    But as usual each country just looks out for themself and doesnt give a shit about the world.

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    Dude f*ck that---^ A person should be allowed to f*ck and have as many kids as they want. I do agree with the lower class and uneducated breeding more which is kinda Sh*tty, but so is everything else. And what pisses me off the most

    PRESIDENT BUSH WILL ALLOW ABORTIONS (which kill human life,) BUT HE WON'T ALLOW STEM CELL RESEARCH WHICH CAN HELP SAVE LIFE.??????

    This world sucks but it's all about that pretty evil green paper we call $$$.

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    ---^^^ Bush illegalized stem cell research for one reason...

    1.) If all the diseases are cured, then there would be no need for medicince or medical supplies, if there was no medicine or medical supplies, there is nothing to tax on a multi trillion dollar industry. No tax money means no $$$ in bushes or his buddies wallets.

    2.)As for abortions, no child born means no child to pay for food stamps, retirement or to give government benefits to.

    I LOVE LIFE.

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    inspector is riled up

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    funny that people want to increase population when there is already far to many of us. There should be a worldwide law that only 1 kid/family is allowed in highly populated countries and 2 kid/family in the less populated countries.

    But as usual each country just looks out for themself and doesnt give a shit about the world.
    That was going to be my next point. As for you inspector, give this a read; just some ideas to toy with.

    http://www.overpopulation.org/whyPopMatters.html

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    [QUOTE=johan]funny that people want to increase population when there is already far to many of us. There should be a worldwide law that only 1 kid/family is allowed in highly populated countries and 2 kid/family in the less populated countries.

    But as usual each country just looks out for themself and doesnt give a shit about the world.[/QUOTE]
    isnt it your country that makes that delicious fattening candy..hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    funny that people want to increase population when there is already far to many of us. There should be a worldwide law that only 1 kid/family is allowed in highly populated countries and 2 kid/family in the less populated countries.

    But as usual each country just looks out for themself and doesnt give a shit about the world.
    I agree. But it's not gonna happen anytime soon. Instead, the human population will continue to increase and living conditions will continue to decrease, and sooner or later Nature will wipe out the overpopulation with either a war, a plague, or famine, and we'll all get to make babies again like nothing ever happened.

    Meanwhile, the Pope will keep telling poor Catholics that they get extra blessings for having lots and lots of children, and condemning rich countries for not feeding them.

    Nuts . . .

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    Why do they even sell rubbers in the stores that are in the ghettos? For 3 bucks you could get yourself a 40 oz or a pack of smokes, why would you piss that money away on condoms?

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    1 of 2 things can and/or will happen.

    1.) We will be the next mass extinction such as dinosaurs. Either a meteor, plague, over population (lack of resources to live,) volcanoe, nuclear warfare, and so on.

    2.) We will gain technology to move and live on other planets that are humanly habitable. Now if we move to new planets, we can continue to populate and grow as a species. We are most best of to survive because of our wisdom.

    So the point is, we are either all going to die from something horrible in 20-60 years, or we will become smarter and find ways to advance.

    I mean f*ck, we're all gonna die anyways, but there has to be a purpouse for us to be here unless the creator is a wicked monster. Peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
    Another problem is that the lowerclass are breeding 10x as fast as middle/upper class. There is no reason to have more than one or two children/family, it just doesn't make sense.
    IMO people just need to know how many children they can afford, we shouldn't limit how many children each family should have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFreakX
    OMG! theyre having abortions! the human race is going to vanish from the face of the earth

    :P

    Do you know what population implosion is??

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    funny that people want to increase population when there is already far to many of us. There should be a worldwide law that only 1 kid/family is allowed in highly populated countries and 2 kid/family in the less populated countries.

    But as usual each country just looks out for themself and doesnt give a shit about the world.


    We are raising generations with fewer people than before. The problem is that there are less people to take care of the older generation, this causes problems in the areas of things social securtity, politically speaking any way.

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    I find that in this debate I am Pro-Abortion, Pro-Capital punishment and "pro" pretty much anything thats going to take away from the number of cars between work and my house in the evening.

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