So guys, Are we going to War???

[saboudian]

Fine you say you want proof or else i am an idiot Jdawg? Well then i will give u proof, and unless you can disclaim it, you are now the idiot.

Click on the allegation of your choice:


-- Convicted of drunk driving. Lied repeatedly to cover up his arrest.

-- Lying under oath. Bush & staff stop investigation of contributor's huge funeral home company.

-- Pulled Strings to Avoid Vietnam, & Got Favorable Treatment

-- Texas government corruption: State $$ for campaign funders & business cronies

-- Cocaine: felony drug use, vile hypocrisy, and a hushed up arrest?

-- His "young and irresponsible" behavior: sex, drugs and (gasp!) rock and roll?

-- Thin skinned: censors his critics with police, lawyers, $$$

-- Character: Spoiled rich kid living off his family's name and reputation

-- Made millions on insider business deals, for little work
-- -- Deal #1. Personal Profits from Failing Oil Companies
-- -- -- -- Easy Money From Odd Sources
-- -- -- -- A Surprise Deal From Bahrain
-- -- -- -- Access to the President and National Security Adviser for his foreign business partner
-- -- Deal #2. Selling Oil Stocks Just Before Iraq Invaded: lucky guess or illegal insider trading?
-- -- Deal #3. A Big Slice of a Baseball Team
-- -- -- -- Hypocrisy: using government coercion to make his private fortune


Here's the website where u can find more info about each allegation:

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm


Jdawg u want proof of grades? i will give you proof of grades.
Here is an article from the American Politics Journal.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/111399MacArthur.html

But if u just want to know his average college GPA, here it is, a whopping 76.9%, well then isn't that spiffy.

Here's an excerpt from that article

"Why did BushBaby take only one political science course and no international relations course? "

Now isn't that a good question. Hey jdawg, so lets say i take a course in political science like u suggested, in fact lets say i take 2 courses, wow ,now i have more classes in political science then the president had!

The list goes on and on and on, if u want me to show u some more proof i can, or better yet u can go through the countless pages with a simple search on google.

About the tax cuts for the rich that u so much love jdawg, do u really think that giving Bill Gates a couple million extra is gonna make him open a whole lot more factories? The answer is no, rich ppl don't need this extra money, if they want to open a factory they've already got more then enough money.


Well guess what, the fuck did pay you.

Oh btw palme, that was a good point, of course it was still in the french's interest to help the USA gain its independence, they weren't doing it just to be nice, but still that is a good point and i do agree with you.

[Wiggum]

I don't think all these troops would be sent over without us going to do something over there. A marine that worked for us just got called out 2 weeks ago. His unit goes behind enemy lines and fights they're way out. He basically said, he wouldn't be called unless we were going to war. Interesting to get some inside info as minor as it was. 9/11 is when this war started and it was estimated to last 10 yrs at the minimum. As far as what will happen if/when Saddam is removed from power, who the hell knows. If we move in to help build a new gov't, even more sh$t is going to fly. Whether we have to go in and bomb the crap out of them, I say no. Assassinate the f'er to get him out of power. But I have this feeling that Saddam is the least of our worries over in the middle east.

[symatech]

PALME - you have made very good points here. I agree that the US needs to basically shut the fuck up when they start bitching about "oh we saved your ass here... oh youd be screwed if it wasnt for us..." I hate that bullshit. And yes the reason we wont fight Korea is because the casualties would be way too high; as a consequence, Bush's approval ratings plummit further than they are now.

So did anybody hear about that alleged Al Quada tape from Osama? I am no expert so I cant say if its genuine or not (again though I would presume it is) but does it not seem fishy that Collin Powel was reading the transcript from the tape before the tapes recipients even knew of its existance??? littly CIA work at play or maybe the Homeland Security. *sigh*

Yeah, Bush's tax cut will help the tax payers It will let Kenneth Lay keep his mansions (6 or 7 of em) while his employees lives are ruined. (ENRON for all you who are in the dark..though i dont see how you could be) Do you think Bush really gives two shits about the people of Enron? nope. know why? because Hes had his hands in lots of dirty deals.

In my opinion, this country would be better off if we stopped trying to be the worlds policeman and focused on the problems (and there are plenty) at home. Education in America is a joke, health care is a joke, our country is turning into a big fuckin joke, and the only ones laughing will be the ones who come out on top. Like ol' W. The man doesnt know adversity; anything he has ever wanted he got. born with a silver spoon stuck so far up his ass that he could take bumps of coke off the handle which stuck out his mouth.

like I said before...George W. Bush's legacy will be the needless slaughter of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians. anybody wanna bet that even if we try to get sadam we wont?

tried to get OSAMA - FAILED
tried to get HiTLER - FAILED
tried to get CASTRO - FAILED
yeah we got a good track record to work with.


just some things to consider. Im not trying to change anybodies mind, just get my points (and there are many) accross

peace bros
take care

[Jdawg50]

Those sites are the most liberally bias sites on the net bro. Why dont you get some real credible journals. More than half the things you posted are allegations rather than truth. Sorry they were weak just like your other arguments. I can go and get stuff off of Rush's site and you would say the same thing about whomever you think would do a better job. Please, find some real credible evidence to back up those allegations rather than hearsay on the net, oh and btwTime and Newsweek are not considered credible journals. You should know this your a college boy.

As far as tax cuts are concerned. Anyone making less than 30K pays virtually no income tax. Who bares the majority of the tax burdon? The upper 10%. How do you expect to give money back to people that dont pay any taxes- Are you a socailist or Communist? Do you believe in the redistribution of wealth? If you do thats fine, just admit it. We can then go back in time and look at how many countries have failed with that mentality. Lets see the soviet union??

Who's your ideal leader?? You havent said anything about anyone you think should lead this country. Say Nader, please say Nader! Because I can dig all kinds of dirt up on him, just like you could dig up dirt on Bush, Clinton, Gore, you or me.

If you hadnt notice, George W has had one of the most difficult presidencies in history. The amount of crap he has had to deal with in the last two years, has been more than Clinton dealt with in 8 years. He has handled them masterfully. Yea, the economy is in the shitter, but thats as much W's fault as Clintons. The recession began when Clinton was leaving. Then the election, then 9/11, now Iraq and all of these threats. Can you imagine Gore in office now, wow thats a scary thought.

-- Convicted of drunk driving. -True -->Lied repeatedly to cover up his arrest.- allegation oh yea didnt he admit this when gores team leaked it??

-- Lying under oath. Bush & staff stop investigation of contributor's huge funeral home company.-> allegation

-- Pulled Strings to Avoid Vietnam, & Got Favorable Treatment-->allegations he served in the military, have you??

-- Texas government corruption: State $$ for campaign funders & business cronies-----> So me the money Weak, Weak, weak

-- Cocaine: felony drug use, vile hypocrisy, and a hushed up arrest?--> no proof, allegation

-- His "young and irresponsible" behavior: sex, drugs and (gasp!) rock and roll?- Please, even weaker

-- Thin skinned: censors his critics with police, lawyers, $$$-- oooowwww nice one- Weak

-- Character: Spoiled rich kid living off his family's name and reputation-> yeap he rode his dad's coat tails the entire way, please He's in office now and gore is not... weak Hummmmm wasnt gores dad a senator???

-- Made millions on insider business deals, for little work- I'm sure they had the inside track on this too.
-- -- Deal #1. Personal Profits from Failing Oil Companies
-- -- -- -- Easy Money From Odd Sources- Wow, really thats compelling
-- -- -- -- A Surprise Deal From Bahrain
-- -- -- -- Access to the President and National Security Adviser for his foreign business partner
-- -- Deal #2. Selling Oil Stocks Just Before Iraq Invaded: lucky guess or illegal insider trading?-> was he convited of this??
-- -- Deal #3. A Big Slice of a Baseball Team
-- -- -- -- Hypocrisy: using government coercion to make his private fortune ---> This is sooo dumb, please


Weak bro very weak, Now give me someone you think should be in office and I'll go dig up some dirt on them.

[saboudian]

I'm pretty much in complete agreement with symatech. Just like symatech was saying, it makes no sense why america needs to be the world's police.

Alright Jdawg, whether u agree with what happened or not thats fine, the evidence presented is very convincing. If u go through each one of the points and read them, it is impossible to disagree with all of evidence, some of the evidence is simply overwhelming. Whether they are liberally bias or not. Its definitely possible u still disagree with some of the points no matter what, but i don't feel you can disagree with every point if u read through it.

The one thing i have noticed is either u forgot or have figured you are wrong about the whole "George W is smart" deal. So at least i hope we're in agreement with that now. We know he didn't make it to the presidency based on his academics thats for sure, and if u look at his track record as a buisnessman, thats can't be the reason either.

Look i don't know why you are so insistent on making the rich richer. You really need to read the 3rd paragraph of symatech's last post. I don't think i need to say anymore.

I do think bush has had a tough presidency, but i beleive he is just a yes man surrounded by a group of very smart individuals, we know bush isn't the smart one.

To tell you the truth i never liked gore much either, but after i saw him talk to leno and letterman, and seeing him host SNL, it definitely changed my mind quite a bit about him as far as the type of person he is.

Well it looks like you want me to give you a candidate so you can bring some heat on me. I don't necessarily want someone who has a harvard eduction or is yale grad. I want someone in there who has had to work for what he has, or as symatech so eloquently put it:

"The man doesnt know adversity; anything he has ever wanted he got. born with a silver spoon stuck so far up his ass that he could take bumps of coke off the handle which stuck out his mouth."

I want to see someone like John McCain who had been a POW for 6 years, so if he would say we need to go to war, there is no doubt in my mind that we need to go to war .

I want to see a Jessie Ventura who isn't afraid to stand up to these republicans and democrats and just speak his damn mind. Not only to speak up just against republicans and democrats, but to speak up against big buisness altogether. I want someone who doesn't skimp around the truth, but someone who tells it like it is.

I don't know what you see in bush, i must be blind cuz i don't see anything.

[retired]

this is mostly ad hominem. Jimmy Carter was possibly the smartest man to ever be in the White House- and he was also a lousy President. Great man, lousy leader.

The US position on Iraq is the correct one. The Europeans do not have a viable alternative except "do nothing." They would not be so callous if it had been Paris or Berlin that had been attacked on 9/11.

[saboudian]

To tell you the truth gordero, sometimes it feels as if europe is saying to america "You deserve this"

[Jdawg50]

OK we can agree to disagree. I am still very impressed with what Bush has done since he took office, and I will vote for him again in the future.

"Yeah, Bush's tax cut will help the tax payers It will let Kenneth Lay keep his mansions (6 or 7 of em) while his employees lives are ruined. (ENRON for all you who are in the dark..though i dont see how you could be) Do you think Bush really gives two shits about the people of Enron? nope. know why? because Hes had his hands in lots of dirty deals"
For every Ken lay there are 500 corporate leaders who's companies have done wonders for this country.

Making the rich richer, ummmm, well what do you want to be robin hood and redistribute the wealth to the poor?? - That does not work! Socailism has failed, and comunisim has failed. where's the modivation to work?? You cant give tax cuts to people that DONT PAY TAXES! SORRY ITS JUST NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. IF you make over 100K you pay over 40% in taxes- Sorry thats nuts man. Last I checked 100K for a family of 4 is not rich.

As for the Educational system, you can thank the teachers unions and the educrates for this mess. One of the most successful ways to better education is by allowing free choice or vouchers in school. Something the educational estabishment has fought tooth and nail, and the dems refuse to put into place.

As for healthcare, you must be in a different world, because here in the US we have the best healthcare system in the world. Unless you want to move to Canada where you have to wait in line to have a surgery, and all the doctors are leaving because the cant make any money. Yea not everyone is insured, but that my friend is part of the deal. Not everyone is entitled to healthcare coverage. Sorry that is capitalism. Part of the deal. If you dont like it move to Canada, and their practically bankrupt healthcare system.

BTW we got Hitler.
Osama- Still not sure, Were all waiting to see what happens with that.
Castro- He is so isolated he's not worth thinking about, and we never invaded cuba, so whats your point?

[retired]

Originally posted by Jdawg50
As for healthcare, you must be in a different world, because here in the US we have the best healthcare system in the world. Unless you want to move to Canada where you have to wait in line to have a surgery, and all the doctors are leaving because the cant make any money. Yea not everyone is insured, but that my friend is part of the deal. Not everyone is entitled to healthcare coverage. Sorry that is capitalism. Part of the deal. If you dont like it move to Canada, and their practically bankrupt healthcare system.

I've avoided entering into your discussion about Bush's domestic agenda, but as a proud citizen of "Canuckistan," I have to dispute your charaterization of our universal healthcare system. It's true that people have to wait for access to specialized services (such as MRI scans) that are rapidly available down South. On the other hand, NOBODY in this country is denied medical care because they did not have the good fortune to have been born into wonderful circumstances. It is a national disgrace that in the most powerful country in the world, citizens are turned away from hospitals because they cannot afford insurance.

I don't enjoy paying the highest taxes in the Western world, but it is better than turning a blind eye to unecessary suffering. And you are mistaken, because everyone IS entitled to adequate healthcare- at least according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. We've made it happen, and so can you.

[palme]

Originally posted by gordero


I've avoided entering into your discussion about Bush's domestic agenda, but as a proud citizen of "Canuckistan," I have to dispute your charaterization of our universal healthcare system. It's true that people have to wait for access to specialized services (such as MRI scans) that are rapidly available down South. On the other hand, NOBODY in this country is denied medical care because they did not have the good fortune to have been born into wonderful circumstances. It is a national disgrace that in the most powerful country in the world, citizens are turned away from hospitals because they cannot afford insurance.

I don't enjoy paying the highest taxes in the Western world, but it is better than turning a blind eye to unecessary suffering. And you are mistaken, because everyone IS entitled to adequate healthcare- at least according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. We've made it happen, and so can you.

Bro i totaly agree with you. I dont understand how they can deny health care just over a pice of paper, blows my mind! And for the record, us (Swedes) pay the highest taxes in the world
But im sure you pay alot aswell.

[saboudian]

These corporate scandals happen enough to be of concern, so its not something you should just brush away. This is not W's faults, its the whole 1990's fault, where any mediocre CEO could turn out good performance. However it is not right how george w handled it, with what he has allowed to happen, there is nothing to prevent enron from happening again, thats just not right.


You're wrong about socialism and communism failing, they have indeed suceeded. In the 1920's, socialists in america ran on the platform of social security, minimum wage, universal health care, among many other ideas. The republicans and democrats immediately attacked the socialists and they soon died. But what happened a few years later? Guess what, the democrats and republicans adopted several of these ideals, and voila! socialist ideas become enacted, i guess they weren't so crazy after all.

When i'm talking about rich, i'm not talking about 100k per year. In fact i beleive the last republican tax cut proposal, would have everyone making less then 100k receive nothing, if u were just above 100k, something else would kick in but you might see a couple dollars.

I beleive to be considered rich you have to make above $325,000 per year, so we're not talking about any of us i would assume. Thats when you would get some tax breaks.

You're trying to stimulate the economy, thats the whole point of it. I simply don't beleive that giving the top 1% of the nation's wealth is going to stimulate the economy. When u're looking at the top 1%, we're looking at all millionaires. Tell me something, do you think by giving tax breaks to millionaires you will be stimulating the economy?

Of course there are several other ways of stimulating the economy besides going through the tax cut route.

I think churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of goverment except for all the others"

So its unfortunate what has happened with the education system, and as for health care, even though it is the best in the world, we pay the price dearly for it.

This one girl i knew was in a car accident, no injury to her at all. They still had her get in an ambulance which cost something like $600. Then once they got her to the hospital they charged her $20 for an advil. Insurance is what drives these prices up and you are forced to get insurance or else you're really fucked.

As for education, it is a joke in america. Having not been in high school not too long ago, I would definitely say over half of my graduating class are complete morons, i mean you wouldn't beleive how dumb some of these ppl are. I can't beleive they managed to go through all that school and learn so little. I understand what you're saying though Jdawg, and sometimes unions go too far, and they have now. I really do pray for the future of america that something will be done eventually, the education system must be improved.

As for Bush, it has been tough, but i would say his performace has been only mediocre, i'm not convinced that he has done much to improve America.

Hitler-I don't beleive we really know what actually happened to him.
Osama- well lets bomb iraq some more, and maybe everyone will forget about him. BTW, i heard on CNN, that George W has not said the word osama in a speech since last june.
Castro- I think he has a crush on barbara walters. Anyways, ever hear of the Bay of Pigs? I also beleive we attempted 3 assasinations.

[saboudian]

Hey palme i gotta a couple questions for ya.

How much do Swedes actually pay? I've heard some pretty insane #'s but i'm not sure what it is.

A while back in last semester, my teacher said something like, in a certain country(thought it might be sweden), if you're above 18 and u're making less then like 5 grand, they automatically give you that much money until u're makin 5 grand a year. Just wonderin if you've ever heard of this, i know he said it was a european country, but i can't remember which one.

[symatech]

Bros let me rephrase what I said....no let me say it again but with feeling.

HILTER - FAILED - WE DID NOT GET HITLER, HITLER GOT HIMSELF
OSAMA - FAILED - JUST PUT OUT ANOTHER VIDEO
CASTRO -FAILED - DID WE GET HIM?? NO. YES I HAVE HEARD OF THE BAY OF PIGS, AND OUR NUMEROUS ASSASINATION ATTEMPTS!!! FOR HEAVENS SAKE THEY ALL FRIGGIN FAILED BECAUSE THE MAN IS STILL ALIVE!

sorry for the caps but some of you were reinforcing my points, in a way in which you thought you were discrediting them. NO FLAMES TO ANYONE!!!

Jdawg - no flame bro - but seriously you must be trippin. The best healthcare system in the world? holy shit. Have you been in an american hospital? have you been in a canadian hospital? OMG there is NO COMPARISON between the two. In a canadian hospital you can walk in and get treatment. no forms, not insurance, all that bullshit is dealt with after you are treated. WHICH IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!

TAX - if you made 30g a year, how much could you afford to pay in taxes? Its like that story they told in bible school:

"A poor woman and a rich man both gave to the church. the man gave (arbitrary number here) 500. the woman gave 1. However, the woman only had 5, and the man has thousands more. so who really gave more?"

Now Im sure i dont need to say this but i will anyway. Im not bringing religion into this, i just related that story (well an improvised version anyway) to make my point.

peace for now
symatech

ps. i enjoy this thread, i dont like to argue but this is something worth talking about since it will affect us all.

[saboudian]

good points again symatech.

[saboudian]

Well Jdawg, if u think i'm an idiot and everyone else is, especially when it comes to taxes as you so *******ly defend bush's tax proposal, you're definitely wrong now.

10 Noble Prize economists + Alan Greenspan are speaking out against Bush's tax cut, claiming " A tax cut for the rich will do nothing".

You told me earlier i don't know economics, you want to tell these guys they don't know economics?

[symatech]

Originally posted by saboudian
good points again symatech.

thanks bro.


Well, I just got finished watching the news and a few things disturbed me. I live in Austin Tx, and Clinton literally just finished giving a speech here. The basic outline of his speech was what you would expect "economy first, then foreign threats." What bothered me was when they showed the protestors outside. They all held signs which read "dont trust a draft dodger" "its clintons fault" etc. Now i have no love for Clinton, and yes he did dodge the draft. What those idiots didnt realize is that BUSH DID TOO. Thats right! Now you may be thinking "oh that symatech is stupid bush served in the military." AHEM, I may take shit for this from some of you but I will say it anyway. THE NATIONAL GUARD IS NOT THE MILITARY. Bush joined the national guard to avoid Vietnam. Now anybody here who knows anything about the military will back me up on this...he basically dodged the draft (only in a more inconspicous way).

There is one more point I would like to re-emphasize. I want to know -honestly- how many of you really and truely believe in your hearts that if we attack (and oust) Sadam that the terror threat will decrease? Take some time and think about this; in fact think like Osama, or any other terrorist for that matter. here Ill help you out:

"Those damn Americans always trying to run our lives, always having their noses in our interests. Why dont they just leave us the fuck alone. -news flash...US attacks IRAQ...- Well thats the final straw."

Within 48 hours every sleeper cell in America is activated and bombs are going off at your childrens schools, hospitals, churches, government buildings etc. You think 9/11 was bad? -sorry for the cliche- but You aint seen nothin yet.


god help us
because Bush sure as hell wont

[symatech]

Originally posted by saboudian
Well Jdawg, if u think i'm an idiot and everyone else is, especially when it comes to taxes as you so *******ly defend bush's tax proposal, you're definitely wrong now.

10 Noble Prize economists + Alan Greenspan are speaking out against Bush's tax cut, claiming " A tax cut for the rich will do nothing".

You told me earlier i don't know economics, you want to tell these guys they don't know economics?

Good point. Another point here - In clintons speech tonight he openly opposed Bush's tax cut. Now some of you are saying "no shit" but think about it. Clinton is in the tax bracket that Bush so desperately feels the need to help. IF A RICH MAN IS SAYING THAT GIVING HIM MORE MONEY IS BAD....SHOULDNT WE CONSIDER THAT??

[Jdawg50]

WEll boys
I disagree, and My guys are in office now, end of story. I think they will do the right thing. I thank god that W is there, and will be there for the next 5-6 years. Too bad for you and your liberal agendas, keep filibustering though.- sp sorry couple glasses of vino tonight.

Sab, you will learn after a few years in the real world, mark my word.

Keep up your blame america first attitudes its doing you well, and yea, I think you still need that econ class, both of you (Taugh by a conservative) Buy one of Milton Friedmans books it would be good for you.

Sorry the canadian system does not touch ours, and no we are not all entitled to healthcare. Too bad, move or stay in canada if you beleive that. I bet you didnt know that you can walk into any ER and get treatment, and guess who is going broke now?? The hospitals here in the states.

Sorry I dont wanna pay more than the 40% I allready do I have shed my tax burden. And I want some of that hard earned money back. What gives you the right to take the money I make away from me. Because I have worked harder and been smarter with my money I should be penalized.... sorry thats crazy. If you wanna send more money to the fed, be my guest, I send enough allready. There is no way I would ever want to live in Canada with a 50+% TAX RATE! Thats nuts man. How about the death tax, should that one be in place, even though that money has been taxed 3-9 times over? Uh no, hello???

I know all of your socialist theories make you all feel good, but your all living in dream worlds, the real world is not like that. Sorry I am not going to work as hard for someone I dont know, than my family (Communism).

I guess you missed the press conference that bush had with about 8 world renouned economist that said the best thing we could do is this proposed tax cut. Guess you missed that one huh?

Oh, yea, how is China doing now, and North Korea? Not too good economically compared to the USA??? Communism has failed miserably, and socialism will never prevail.

[symatech]

Who's talking about communism here? where did that come from? I never said I was a communist or wanted to live under a communist government. Where was I when bush was with his 8 economists? i was watching the 10 nobel prize winning economists and Alan Greenspan say it was a bad idea.

North Korea? China? I never said squat about their economies! All I said was that North Korea has nuclear ICBM's capable of reaching the US and BUSH IS WORRIED ABOUT IRAQ!?!?!?! Alarm bells are ringing in my head.

And Im not blamming America for everything. But most americans dont want to admit that our country isnt as 'clean shaven and right' as we'd all like to think it is. What the hell gives us the right to overthrow other countries leaders and put people we want in power (Shah in Iran) who the fuck do we think we are. AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY WE ARE HATED.

Let me tell you something. We americans need to learn our history before preaching the future to others. Do a little digging and Im sure youll see that the US's past isnt nearly as glamarous as many people like to claim it is.

Now, having said that, Id like to point out that the US is a wonderfull place to live. Im not anti-american or anything i live here for heavens sake. There are opportunites in america which are only dreamt other places.....but that does not make us right.

peace

and by the way...im not bitter because 'my guys' arent in office. Im neither Republican or Democrat or Green Party or any of that bullshit. I dont vote straight ticket because STRAIGHT TICKET VOTING IS FOR DUMBASSES. I learn about each candidate and then vote accordingly.

ahh sorry for the rant...youve been hittin the vino, ive been hittin somethin else

good night fellas...

[palme]

Hey guys (back to the topic) i just heard on the news that the UN guys found missiles that had a reach for over 150km´s. This is a clear violating of the UN resolution.
War might be really close now.

[Jdawg50]

OK, I still love all you guys. Even though your wrong. Its all good in the hood. :-).
Peace, well not for long.
J

[symatech]

Originally posted by Jdawg50
OK, I still love all you guys. Even though your wrong. Its all good in the hood. :-).
Peace, well not for long.
J

I feel the same way bro. nothin but love for my AR bros

Good luck to all our soldiers who are going to face inevitable chemical and biological attacks, (what a horrible way to die). good luck to the doctors who have to treat them. and good luck to everybody who will feel the swift vengence of terrorists around the world. like i said before...god help us, because nothing else will now

wishing for peace
symatech

[saboudian]

symatech what are u talking about? Iraq doesn't have weapons of mass destruction

Somebody i know has a friend thats being called in as a medic for the marines and is getting stationed in qatar i beleive, or maybe it was kuwait, not sure. Anyways, they told her not to have any letters sent to that address where she will be stationed, so yet another sign.

The Times has a nice lil map of all the US forces in the region, i beleive 160,000 men. If i was saddam and i saw a shit load of boats in the gulf and troops all over the borders, i'd be a lil scared.

Of course nothin but love for ya guys, i mean what was i thinking, obviously Bush is a genious and has done wonders for this country's foreign policy and economy.

I mean bush said he'd turn around the economy and i'll be darned if he did, look where it was when he first got in office, now look where it is, truly an amazing turn around.

[saboudian]

Originally posted by palme
Hey guys (back to the topic) i just heard on the news that the UN guys found missiles that had a reach for over 150km´s. This is a clear violating of the UN resolution.
War might be really close now.

Heh thats nothing, considering when you look at the fact that saddam has ignored every single resolution over the last 12 years or so. I still think its funny that Iraq says they don't have weapons of mass destruction, when the US has tapes of them talking about them.

There are so many violations now, its unbeleivable. I don't understand what the point of the UN is anymore, anything they pass on Iraq is just ignored by Iraq, and then they see that Iraq ignores it so they pass another one telling them not to not to ignore it, Iraq ignores it again, and keeps repeating and repeating the cycle.

Its like giving a kid a detention slip, he skips it and doesn't go, so you give him another one, he skips it, you give him another, etc etc repeat over and over again and he never goes to detention.

[symatech]

im sure Sadam isnt scared at all. hes got a mentality that what he does it right and nobody can stop him. Right now he's thinkin,,,look at those foolz, i wish theyd front on me so I can use my nifty VX and mustard gas warheads

i hear spec ops is already operating in Iraq. well i cant say that I am surprised. i suppose it really is inevitable...

[saboudian]

I think Saddam wants to be remembered as the man who stood up to the west.

[tolinka]

I call it the Gulf War 2....

I remember in 1991 when i was 7 years old the whole thing...we locked our selves in a room, with scotch tape on the doors and windows, three gas masks and 3 diffrent type of injectebles that you have to stick in your chest incase off chemical eposure or bological...each person had three of them, My mom, dad, and me...
I will never forget one night that I didnt want to sleep. I was staring out the window for a long time and out of now where there is this skad flying so low...i didnt get scared, i think i didnt know how serious it is i was kinda fascinated by it...
But the whole war preperation crap was bullshit...after about 2 days my dad said fuck it and got out of the room to go watch some tv...

[saboudian]

Where did you live at the time Tolinka?

I've actually heard quite a few adults say they were so scared they used to hide under their bed when they were kids during the cold war, i would never want to be in that situation where you are afraid to live.

[tolinka]

i lived back in israel...i just moved here not that long ago

[stillsmall]

Originally posted by palme

And as for North Korea i think it´s the 1 million men strong army they have that prevents the USA from going in.

you mean like the 1 million men strong army of saddam we stomped on years ago!?

no attack on North Korea cuz of China and russia.. let's get this straight boys..

[symatech]

Originally posted by stillsmall


you mean like the 1 million men strong army of saddam we stomped on years ago!?

no attack on North Korea cuz of China and russia.. let's get this straight boys..

uhhhhh last i checked sadam never had a 1 million man strong army. Furthermore it is pretty much impossible to stomp an army that size in a month or two.