OK for a 1st cycle?

**CapnZ** · 07-08-2005, 07:37 AM

I guess I'm right there with Stones - 44 and researching my first cycle. Last time I was checked - test levels were "low normal" - expected for this age.

This is the cycle I'm considering:

week 1 - 250mg sust

Week 2 - 8 500mg sust (mon / thu)

Week 9 - 10 250 mg sust

Also considering adding winstrol (50 mg day) for weeks 6 - 10 to help with definition.

Start PCT 2 weeks after last inj - clomid 50 mgs / novalox 20 mg every day for 3 weeks

Do us older guys get acne from clomid? How does this cycle sound?
Thanks to all with any experience.

**Dave321** · 07-08-2005, 07:40 AM

don't pyramid doses... remain consistent.

**Ironweb** · 07-08-2005, 11:24 AM

I would recomend keeping your TEST levels constant. I would also do a 12 week cycle. I am not a huge fan of Sust. To keep levels constant it is much better to use a single ester test like enth or cyp to control your levels. I would suggest something like the following:

Wks 1-12 500mg EW of Test E or C
Wks 7-14 50mg ED of winny
Wks 15-17 Post cycle therapy using clomid or nolv or both

That would be a better cycle IMO. Good luck bro.

Peace

**CapnZ** · 07-08-2005, 11:45 AM

Thanks for the info Ironweb - should I split up the 500 mg of test E into 2 injects or do it at once?

**Ironweb** · 07-08-2005, 12:26 PM

I would inject twice a week. Better consistancy.

**CapnZ** · 07-08-2005, 02:08 PM

Thanks bro - thats what I figured but always good to hear from someone with experience.

**Ironweb** · 07-08-2005, 03:38 PM

No problem good luck and train hard.

**CapnZ** · 07-09-2005, 06:26 PM

Always!

**MuckDog** · 07-31-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Ironweb

I would recomend keeping your TEST levels constant. I would also do a 12 week cycle. I am not a huge fan of Sust. To keep levels constant it is much better to use a single ester test like enth or cyp to control your levels. I would suggest something like the following:

Wks 1-12 500mg EW of Test E or C
Wks 7-14 50mg ED of winny
Wks 15-17 Post cycle therapy using clomid or nolv or both

That would be a better cycle IMO. Good luck bro.

Peace

this is the exact cycle im going to be doing actually - I like to hear good advice like this on it.

**MuckDog** · 07-31-2005, 04:12 PM

i do have a question that i cant seem to find an answer on

i have the following

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg/ml x 2 10ml bottles
Winstrol Stan – 1 20ml bottle

im going to be taking 500mg's a week of Test E and in week 4 incorporate the 50mg of winny ED. how does this break down to CC's ??? how many mg's are in a CC and what not???

thanks!

**Zapp** · 07-31-2005, 04:55 PM

I don't think you need to run that much being your first cycle bro. 250mg a week is plenty. I ran 250 a week my first one and gained 18lbs. You can bump it up your next one.

**MuckDog** · 07-31-2005, 05:42 PM

so know one knows the mg/cc/ml breakdowns?

**running_donkey** · 08-01-2005, 09:39 AM

Zapp,
that's an interesting comment you made. I am planning a first cycle some time around febuary. I'm 41 y.o. I too have been wondering about doing a "smaller" dose cycle like the one you mention. I guess I'm think along the lines of maybe doing a replacement therapy level dose or a bit higher. I was also thinking that on the lower dose it could be run a bit longer? How long did you run yours? Do you think you had less of an issue with water retention at that dose, and how much of the 18lbs did you keep? I also am worried about gyno and the smaller dose would be safer in that regard.
tia

**jc#9** · 08-01-2005, 02:06 PM

I would suggest running the 500mg. You can always stop and start you pct's if you want.

**Joey D** · 08-01-2005, 02:45 PM

I just got super test 250 by powerline what should i stack it with

**Ironweb** · 08-01-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by MuckDog

i do have a question that i cant seem to find an answer on

i have the following

Testosterone Enanthate - 250mg/ml x 2 10ml bottles
Winstrol Stan – 1 20ml bottle

im going to be taking 500mg's a week of Test E and in week 4 incorporate the 50mg of winny ED. how does this break down to CC's ??? how many mg's are in a CC and what not???

thanks!

I have not logged on for a while the breakdown is as follows:

250mg/ml is 250mg strength per ml. 1 ml = 1 cc. So a cc is a ml.

As far as dosage everyone is different. Some respond off of lower amounts. I do not. 500 mg for a first cycle is not bad. I am presently on 900mg. I found that I have a high tolerance towards it. That is true for other types of meds as well. I also found I do not retain as much water as most do. Therefore my gains are not as large as some I have read.

The key is knowing what your body reponse to the best. That can only be determined through educating yourself, understanding your own body and approaching it in an intelligent manner. I studied a year and a half before sticking the first pin in me. Ignorance is not an excuse with all the information available to you today.

Good luck bro