Thread: My HGH experience so far!
03-17-2004, 07:48 PM #1
My HGH experience so far!
Hi folks!! Being a newbie to AR, I have gained a LOT of useful information so far by perusing the educational threads and other posts before I decided to embark on the following journey..... I hopw this will help other who have a similar situation to mine!
I am a male health care professional and am currently 53 years old. My stats are: height 6' 0", weight 170 lbs. I have been health and fitness conscious all my life and have lifted weights since about the age of 21. I competed in a masters bodybuilding competition at the age of 42 (on a dare from my then-wife), and had a ball doing it. However, I am very ectomorphic and have always had a hard time with heavy weights and gaining any weight myself (got ripped like a rabbit for the competition, tho.....). Since I passed 50, my energy levels dropped like a rock and my time in the gym was even harder. I didn't make any significant progress poundage-wise or shape-wise for years. As a matter of fact, I started growing a layer of fat around my waist that just would NOT come off no matter how hard I dieted or cardioed.
The long and short of it is, I got sick of going steadily downhill and began to do some research on this board and other sources. After some thought, I decided to start injections of Saizen HGH every morning (six on, one off) at 1.5iu. I know I should probably consider AS (especially test), but I am a little concerned about the natural test shut-down and I think that HGH has the lowest incidence of sides, especially at this level.
ANYWAY, My results so far are as follows:
Week One: Nuttin. (didnt expect anything)
Week two: Nuttin.
Week three: Hmm...... started to sleep MUCH better and energy levels went up significantly. Looked forward to hitting the gym (Four times/week). Eating better, too!
Week Four: Studied myself in the mirror...... started to see increase in vascularity.....pants fitting looser!
Week Five: This stuff is for REAL!! I am making poundage and/or rep increases EVERY TIME I hit the gym and am lifting more now than I did when I was in my late thirties! I KNOW it shouldnt happen this quick but it can't be psychological after this many times!
Week six: The definition I had in my thirties is starting to return and I am THRILLED! Just thirty minutes of cardio 3X week. Sleeping like a baby now and my energy levels are great! Getting more work done at work and at the gym. Have to make a conscious effort now not to overtrain - I can't wait to hit the weights now!
I will post some more in weeks to come - I know that this dosage seems awfully small and the time is very short but this is honestly how the HGH has affected me. I'll be goddammed if I'll give this stuff up if these results continue! A side note - while working out the other day one of the girls who works at the gym approached me and chatted me up. She is 38 and in great shape herself. We have a DATE on friday!! HOOAHH!
I'll post some pictures soon of my before and current pics. Please don't rip on me too hard, I know I'll never be huge especially at my age but I am just going for the ripped and fit look!
03-17-2004, 11:20 PM #2
I am 48 and have been thinking about HGH... humm, this looks like a very promising data point.
Getting old sucks!
03-18-2004, 09:19 AM #3
Nice post, sounds like the hgh will do wonders for you at your age, keep us posted on your results if you have time.
Good luck on the date...
03-27-2004, 07:00 PM #4
More of my HGH saga (and the date)
OK here I am again to keep everyone up to date on my HGH progress. After eight weeks on the HGH, I have upped the dosage to 1.8 iu as I seem to tolerate that OK. I did have some carpal-like symptoms for a few days, but that has gone away. I have had these symptoms in the past when I have lifted too heavy, even without HGH. I am still doing six on/one off although I don't know why. Seems like the pituitary would need more than one day to learn how to crank out HGH again. Strength continues to improve, but the gains have leveled off a little. I still sleep very well, especially when i take 3mg. of Melatonin before bed. Oddly, my weight is staying the same, but my waist size is decreasing! Havent measured yet, but I will as soon as I get some pics together for you to look at.
As for THE DATE>>>>>>> Man, what a night! I picked her up at her place, she was wearing a strapless little black dress and looked quite the knockout! We had a few glasses of wine and then I took her to dinner at a very nice place and had scallops in wine, tomatoes with fresh mozzarella, and another bottle of wine (hm...this must be why the weight is not going down.......). We then went to my place, got comfy on the couch, put some tunes on and mauled each other for two hours. We are hitting it off great and I'll see her again soon!!
I would love to run some test with the HGH, but since I am new to this, I don't know anyone around my neck of the woods and I don't plan on getting busted at my age, so I guess Ill just wait for now. I'll post again soon..........
03-28-2004, 04:09 PM #5
Awesome read man! Glad to see your doing so well both in your professional, and personal life. Good luck in the future
03-28-2004, 05:48 PM #6
Thanks for the nice comments - I just think it would be nice for me to try to give back a bit to the members of this board since I already have gotten so much from it.
40Something: You mentioned you ran some HGH in the past - why did you quit?? If your results were even a little of what I have experienced so far, I would think you would have to have it dragged away from your cold, dead hands!
03-28-2004, 07:29 PM #7
Hey Duck, good to hear, I've had some Jintropin in the fridge since November I'm thinking of starting in June. I'm glad to hear you can get good results at a low dose since the stuff is so danged expensive.
Could I ask how much you're paying?
03-28-2004, 08:27 PM #8Originally Posted by johnsomebody
........Sure can..... I use Saizen and am paying about 15.00 per iu. Please let me know how the Jinotropin works for you, as I have seen some websites that are selling it for around 7.50/iu. I would like to cut my costs if at all possible.
03-28-2004, 10:20 PM #9Originally Posted by Duck of Death
03-28-2004, 10:29 PM #10
$15 per iu??? That's $1500 for a 100 iu kit?? Oy Gott, if that's right you're paying too much.
04-07-2004, 12:05 PM #11
Hmmmm, Makes me want to get back on gh.
04-07-2004, 07:06 PM #12Associate Member
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I've been running it since January but it's hard to separate the effects from AS.
04-14-2004, 09:12 AM #13Originally Posted by woodiechopper
Well, that's another reason I decided to run HGH alone without test, at least for awhile. I wanted to see what sides and benefits hgh has when used alone. Otherwise, I wouldn't know if it was the HGH or the test that was making me grow an extra appendage!!
06-02-2004, 03:11 PM #14Associate Member
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Bump. Any updates?
06-07-2004, 09:25 PM #15
OK, it now has been around twelve weeks after starting my HGH regimen. I have switched to Jintropin from Saizen since the price is so much better. However, I really think that Jin is MUCH more potent than Saizen as I was injecting 2.0 iu (like the Saizen)and getting some hellacious soreness in my wrists and joints. I cut back to 1.5 iu/day and the symptoms went away.
I continue to build definition and size, especially in my upper body. Nothing dramatic, but for a 53-year old, it sure looks good to me! Strength continues to go up and waist size going down. I had the best of intentions to do a lot of cardio, but I have really done next to nothing and the fat keeps going down! I now weigh 174 (up from 168) and have taken an inch and a half off the waist. Next week I plan on starting a test cycle to see what happens with that addition and I promise to start that cardio. I still havent got any pictures yet ( a little chicken, I guess, I am not a real big guy), but maybe with a little encouragement from the females, I will get the guts up! More to come............
06-07-2004, 10:55 PM #16
Hey Duck, those are amazing results with just 1.5iu/day -that's good to hear and thanx for the update.
What time of day are you taking it? And you're going SubQ on your abs?
06-08-2004, 04:10 AM #17New Member
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I have a question. I have 3 boxes of serostim H.G.H. one box expired on 04/30/04 is it still any good? I mean can i use it even if it expired over 3o days ago. Also are steroids unsafe to use if they expired? thanks for all your help.
06-08-2004, 11:38 AM #18Originally Posted by johnsomebody
I inject the Jin in the morning right before breakfast and Yes, I am going subQ in the ab area.
I rotate from the left love handle to the middle left of the navel and then the same two sites on the right. (four sites). The 1.5 seems to be all I can handle without the wrist and joint pain, but I will try a bit more when I start my Test.
06-08-2004, 01:06 PM #19
53 and hitting the gym AND ladies like a 20 year old..keep up the good work!
06-10-2004, 07:42 PM #20Originally Posted by Farmer
....... I swear, I am hornier now for nookie than I was at 21 - and I was horny THEN!! I just live for women. It's too bad most of them make sex out to be such a big deal and/or have been so polluted mentally by society that they are sexual fizzle-outs. However, the few that are LEFT............... HOOAH!
06-10-2004, 07:53 PM #21
awsome thread keep it up......you have my interest....
06-10-2004, 07:53 PM #22
Proposed Test cycle
One more thing I have noticed from the HGH use which I have neglected to mention - I have always had a problem with moderate acne (even at 53). Perhpas this is due to my high natural test levels (1004). The HGH has completely cleared that up, which really could be a great thing for adoloscents going through pubertal acne. Docs should pobably do some research on low dosages for this purpose.
Anyway, I have decided to begin a first cycle of Testosterone Cypionate and would appreciate some comments and/or critiques!! It looks like this:
Test Cyp 400mg/wk (2Xwk) - Week 1-10
Arimidex 2mg/wk (2Xwk) - Week 1-10
HCG 750 iu / wk (250iu 3X wk) - Week 1-11
Nolvadex 20 mg. - (40mg/day week 11
20 mg/day week 12-14)
By the Way, Thanks to Rickson, Woodiechopper, JohnSomebody, Pheedno, Swale, and anyone I forgot for their comeraderie and help in developing this cycle.
I start next Sunday - I'm really stoked!!!
Last edited by Duck of Death; 06-10-2004 at 07:55 PM. Reason: messed up amounts
06-10-2004, 10:16 PM #23New Member
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Great updates DD, I didn't see any mention of noticable hair growth or scar tissue repair wrinkles things of that sort.
I was thinking of Jinotrpin also 100iu for 450, I could probably get a script but I guess it would cost the same without insurance.
I noticed your gonnA STACK CYPOINATE someone told me to do that also
Has anyone mentioned cytomel ?? It sounds good but I'm no chemist like these guys.. jeez
It'll take me months just to make up my mind.
Keep it up
06-11-2004, 05:35 AM #24Originally Posted by mountain man
As far as taking months to make up your mind about a cycle of whatever, that is a plus to me. Just take your time, pick the great information from this board, get some help from the mods and others, and then make your decision. Don't rush it!
Oh......got another date tonight with the gym gal..gonna go to dinner, see "Troy", and then repair to my house where we will drink some wine and hopefully commence mauling each other. Life is good.........
06-25-2004, 07:27 PM #25Junior Member
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Duck ,Have enjoyed reading your thread and wanted to let you know that I'll be 51 next month and I've been on 2iu's of Humatrope daily for four months .
I also immediately noticed the fatloss within the first couple of weeks . I was on one of my partial diets of just cleaning my eating up somewhat and still dropped about 8 lbs which took me down to 218 . Over the past few weeks I have brought my weight back up to 223 and still my waist is down dramatically . I have been running 400 mg of cypionate weekly with this and my training is going great ! All you guys have been talking prices and I hate to rub it in but my growth is coming from my endocrinologist and through my Prescription Insurance Plan I'm recieving a 3 month supply ( each a 24 mg cartridge ) for $ 60.00 every 3 months and he says he will keep me on for life ! PLUS presciption for unlimited refills of Cypionate . Pretty good DEAL eh ?
By the way , I haven't had any of the wrist pain some associate with the GH . Good luck with your girlfriend , take her down with 20 mg of Levitra one night if you want to ruin her ! Seeya , Topcat
06-25-2004, 07:41 PM #26
Subscribing to the thread, keep the good info coming.
06-26-2004, 06:03 AM #27New Member
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54 year old getting ready to start GH. I am getting Kexing Fitropin (international) $2.2 IU The Fitropin kits have 120 IU vs Jintropin 100 IU and both get good reviews on multiple boards. Plan on taking 2 IU/D to start. On a cycle right now. Hope my experience equals that of the Duck!
06-26-2004, 11:56 AM #28
First, I am sorry I have not posted in awhile but business and family concerns have taken priority as of late.
I started the cycle mentioned above on June 13 ( I was surprised I didnt get more feedback on it, especially since I decided to forgo Clomid in the PCT for Nolvadex since, considering what I do for a living, visual disturbances would be a disaster) and my observations so far are as follows:
My weight started at 174 (up from 168 when I started the HGH). I am still taking 2iu of Jintropin along with the cycle. I am injecting the test in da butt ( I tried a quad injection, but when I got it almost all the way in, I hit something hard and I chickened out). I have since gone back to the buttular injections.
I haven't noticed anything dramatic as regards the poundages I can handle in the gym, but my strength keeps going up along the same progess line as it has since I started the HGH. Of course, it has only been two weeks, so I expected that. What I HAVE noticed is the almost constant pump I get during and after workouts - expecially in the biceps and triceps. The muscles feel like iron!! I am currently doing a four-way split (Chest & tris, Back & bis, shoulders & abs, and legs) and working each group once /week. I HAVE been faithful to the cardio and am now doing 35 minutes of treadmill on my off days (translates to three times/week). I am trying to eat everything in sight and am packing in the protein. I still have a glass of wine with my dinner, but I don't think that will hurt much.
I weighed myself today after my leg workout and I tipped in at 177 - must be all the food! I still don't feel fat, though - my current squeeze (the gym chick) constantly compliments me on my condition and the other day she said, "Jeez, are you getting big in the arms". Made me feel great!
Oh, along that line, sexual function seems to be affected already. I wake up every morning with a screaming rod and spontaneous erections (like when I was sixteen) are occuring frequently! I hate this - NOT!
I am examining myself often for the dreaded gyno and the shrunken nuts - so far so good! Another observation - my joints are very sore at night (probably from the increased poundages that I am handling). Ibuprofen helps a lot but I will probably add Deca if I do this again.
I will keep you up to date!!
06-26-2004, 12:48 PM #29
Hi Mr. Duck,
My joints are very sore especially at night. I did not have this pain until I put the ghg into my cycle about 4 weeks ago. My hands are really swollen and my feet are on and off but the feet seem to be getting better. I am using 4 IU's a day and I am 44 years old and weigh 237 with about 13% bodyfat.
Does any one think the pain is from the gear or from the HGH, either way it is a pain in the rear.
06-26-2004, 06:15 PM #30Junior Member
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Throttle back the HGH
4 IU of HGH is what a lot of top pro bb use. try using less (1-2 IU). Your joint pain should subside.
06-26-2004, 10:07 PM #31
Geez, I'm so jealous! On my two cycles I never got that killer boner side effect. Makes me feel wacked.
By the way what kind of test are you using?
From all I've read Nolva and Clomid pretty much have the same possibility of "occular toxicity" or whatever it is. I'm an artist myself, so it was a BIG concern to me so i was pleasantly surprised that I've had no probs from it myself either time. There's a lot of debate about it but from all I can tell Nolva should be just as good post cycle as Clomid.
07-01-2004, 09:38 PM #32Originally Posted by bigjohnr
That is one hell of a lot of HGH. My joints acted up at about 2,5IU of Saizen and only 1.8iu of Jintropin. I have since dropped back to only 1.5iu of Jin and the joints are OK now. (Especially my main joint since I started the Test.....hee hee)
07-05-2004, 08:35 AM #33
Thanks Duck of Death and over40mule. I am going to cut back. It will last me twice as long which will be nice. My main joint has been getting pumped also, my wife is in heaven, except the other day I walked into starbucks and got a spontanious hard on like a 16 year old. I did get a few glances from the ladies. :-)
07-07-2004, 07:22 PM #34Originally Posted by bigjohnr
.......HAR HAR HAR!!!! Just one of the risks you take, my man. Did the Starbucks gals ask you, " Is that a biscotti in your pants or are you just glad to see us?"
07-07-2004, 07:55 PM #35
Howdy to all...I hope this post finds everyone well and thriving. I am now in the middle of the fourth week of my Test/HGH cycle and I have a LOT to report!! Here goes:
1) Weight is up to 182!! I have NEVER weighed this much in my life but my pants fit the same as always and my serratus muscles still show (Yes, I am a closet flexer). I stared out at 168 before the HGH only, so the HGH+test has given me a net 14 pounds!! I was wondering when those who work with me and other friends would begin to remark at the change in my physical appearance. It has started to happen! One of my buddies said, "Have you been working out?? You look like you have put on weight". I replied, "Do I look fat??" To which he said, "No, you look good! Just ....bigger."
2) I am eating much more than usual (for me), but since this is not a serious "bulking" attempt, my typical day diet looks like this:
a) breakfast - five egg whites + one whole egg with two tablespoons of Sargento low fat mozzarella. One orange, half a slice of pita bread, and coffee.
b) Mid-morning snack - One scoop of "Allthewhey" protein in 8 oz. skim milk and two rice cakes (I actually like them. I know, thats weird).
c) Lunch- two chicken breasts, steamed broccoli and a banana.
d) dinner - a steak, or fish, or a large hamburger (all grilled), with a baked potato and a large tossed salad w/ balsamic vinegar. Oh, and a glass of white or red wine.
e) before bed - another scoop of allthewhey in milk.
Comments and "not eating enough" flames welcome (putting on fire-retardant suit)
3) The test has KICKED IN!! I am hefting poundages that just five months ago were impossible for me, and what a feeling THAT is! Example: I used to do two sets of DB bench presses as part of my chest routine. Reps were 20 and 15 with 35 and 40 pound bells (I TOLD you I am a poundage pussy). Yesterday I did three sets: 15/12/10 with 40/45/and 50 pound bells on the INCLINE bench. I could have handled MORE as all those went up easily but I am leery of tendon injury so I am going to throttle my ambition and increase wieght and reps very gradually. The pumps are fantastic and even body parts which I thought were "unpumpable" (ex. back) just feel like rock about 1/4 of the way into the workout.
4) I HATE QUAD INJECTIONS!! - I did my first one last week. No problems, but that sucker was SORE for four days afterward!!! $%^&^%$$#!!!!! Going to stick with the buttular area - no soreness at ALL there!
5) I have developed "gyno paranoia". Obsessive examination of my nips in the mirror and tactile examination have become normal. I thought I felt a little nip soreness, so I added 20mg Nova to the cycle twice per week.
Well, that's about it for now - as always, I would appreciate input and criticism. If this helps any of us geriatrics who are considering HGH and/or Test, I can only say this. The feeling that I get when the hard workouts in the gym are OBSERVABLE and QUICKLY is heady, indeed. The added intensity that you put in when you can see the results of your work is undoubtedly an additive factor to the results of AS. I do plan on having blood work done after the last shot and after PCT, so we will see how things go. However, I feel GREAT and my little gym chick squeeze loves my turbo-powered maulings
Check in witcha soon!! Stay safe/research/ and live well!!
07-08-2004, 04:48 AM #36
Yes Duck, the ladies at Starbucks thought I was glad to see them or thought that I really, really liked coffee.
I am glad to hear that you are doing so well. It is good that you are cautious. I used to own a famous body building gym and I had some guys that had dicks like spagetti....they may have gotten hard but as soon as it hit something wet they went limp, just like putting spagetti into boiling water.
Keep an eye on it, better yet, have your gym chick inspect it.
I recently went for my over 40 doctors appointment and the doc walks in and she is a stunning 6' hot blond. She checks me for a hernia by sitting down at eye level with my dick and starts cheking me out then starts rubbing my balls to check for lumps, then tells me to turn around and bend over to stick her finger in my ass, I asked her if she was going to respect me in the morning. The funny thing is now all my friends are scheduling appointments with her and they all want the full exam.
Keep up the good work and keep me posted.
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07-15-2004, 05:39 AM #37
.....Man, I thought this thread would get a lot more input, especially from the over 30 crowd and those who are just doing a first cycle, with or without HGH. Do any of you bros have similar or different experiences to mine?? The more input and discussion we have between us, the better we will understand the results we can get. My feeling is that this "augmentation" regimen is different when we get past 30, but that is a gut feeling.
07-15-2004, 11:55 AM #38
I am new to the HGH and I like it so far but I am only 6 weeks in.
As far as AS, I am noticing that at 44 I can do more without my temper being affected. I did a few cycles in my early 30's but I would blow up if the wind blew the wrong way so I stopped. Now I am doing 500 mg or test eth, 400 mg of eq and 500 mg of sust 250 per week and I am not experiencing any temper change. My dick is like a 16 year olds and I am more tired than usual but other than that I am not getting pissy at all.
That is my story. I hope the HGH kicks in more. I am not sleeping any better I don't think, maybe a little better, but the body fat has come down. I was 222 lbs and 23% bf, now I am 239 lbs and 12 % bf, according to the bf scale I use.
07-15-2004, 12:31 PM #39
Very good read so far Duck...
Being mid thirties myself I have seriously considered HGH, but
have not decided to commit so much $$$ to it yet... But threads
like this have me really thinking about it... Keep us updated bro...
07-15-2004, 08:08 PM #40New Member
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Hi Duck, thanks for the all of the info.
I am 47 years of age. I tried HGH when I was 44. I was on for about 2 months and came off due to joint pain. I was told that had I stayed on I would have seen a significant reduction in pain by month 4. I may give HGH another try some time in the future. As for now, I am on HRT and very happy with it. I have scripts for test and anadrol and these are working wonders for me in my quest to stay strong and healthy.
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