PCt opinions from vets

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10-04-2004, 02:32 PM
HazyA

PCt opinions from vets

Gonna finally do my first cycle after 4 years of on and off research. So far its gonna look like this:
1-10 test enan. 500mg(every 7th day)
1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
12-14 nolva 20mg/ed
12 clomid 100mg/ed
13-14 clomid 50mg/ed

I don't really want to run the clomid, since right during my 12th week I'll be going on a cruise, and I read about all the emotional problems and acne guys go through with clomid. Do alot of you guys, have bad sides with clomid? I've read alot lately that nolva alone would be sufficient for pct, but since this is gonna be my first I'm not quite sure. Also I'm gonna pick up some l-dex to keep my bloat down and running the nolva ed to help with cholesterol. I would rather run letro instead, but I don't want the estrogen rebound that comes with it. Does all this sound on tract? One more thing once you inject your first shot does anyone know how long it takes for your test levels to increase? I'm gonna have my test levels checked(for depression purposes) on the day after my first shot, and wanted to make sure that it wouldn't make the test inaccurate. Thanks for all your help.

Stats:6'2 23 185 11% been training since 15, classic ecto
10-05-2004, 12:14 AM
TheChosenOne

run the PCT outline that Pheedno has laid out in this forum. It far and away surpasses the traditional PCT layout of just Clomid
10-05-2004, 11:02 AM
HazyA

I had already read pheno's post but was still wondering about the clomid sides and I don't think nolva will be enough to keep down bloating.
10-05-2004, 11:59 AM
TheMudMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by HazyA

I had already read pheno's post but was still wondering about the clomid sides and I don't think nolva will be enough to keep down bloating.

If you want to keep your gains then you will want to run at least Clomid for 30 days.

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
10-05-2004, 09:44 PM
youngNhungry

I have never heard of anyone having estrogen backlash when using letro. I believe that it works great as a suicide inhibitor of estrogen. Pheedno talks about how ldex is better than letro due to the fact that it has been shown to mess with your blood lipid levels. I would not shoot your first injection one day before a test. Most likely the shot would only be starting to disperse from the injection site but, I would just wait to start until the day after the test. Also, being your first cycle, I would just stay on for 6-8wks.
10-06-2004, 04:16 PM
HazyA

thanks for the reply youngnhungry, I'm gonna pretty much follow phedno's pct, but he doesn't even go into what you should run during the cycle. Also why only 6-8weeks? I thought 10 weeks was common for 1st timers.
10-24-2004, 03:42 PM
HazyA

Quote:

Originally Posted by HazyA

thanks for the reply youngnhungry, I'm gonna pretty much follow phedno's pct, but he doesn't even go into what you should run during the cycle. Also why only 6-8weeks? I thought 10 weeks was common for 1st timers.

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10-24-2004, 03:56 PM
damian

Quote:

Originally Posted by HazyA

Gonna finally do my first cycle after 4 years of on and off research. So far its gonna look like this:
1-10 test enan. 500mg(every 7th day)
1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
12-14 nolva 20mg/ed
12 clomid 100mg/ed
13-14 clomid 50mg/ed

I don't really want to run the clomid, since right during my 12th week I'll be going on a cruise, and I read about all the emotional problems and acne guys go through with clomid. Do alot of you guys, have bad sides with clomid? I've read alot lately that nolva alone would be sufficient for pct, but since this is gonna be my first I'm not quite sure. Also I'm gonna pick up some l-dex to keep my bloat down and running the nolva ed to help with cholesterol. I would rather run letro instead, but I don't want the estrogen rebound that comes with it. Does all this sound on tract? One more thing once you inject your first shot does anyone know how long it takes for your test levels to increase? I'm gonna have my test levels checked(for depression purposes) on the day after my first shot, and wanted to make sure that it wouldn't make the test inaccurate. Thanks for all your help.

Stats:6'2 23 185 11% been training since 15, classic ecto

i would recomend 250 mgs every 3,5 days......more stable flow of test in your blood...less sides.......and of course the adittion of 50 mgs/ED of proviron..thats my ultimate begginer cycle