Pyramiding vs. PCT

**Deez101** · 11-20-2004, 01:21 AM

I was wondering if pyramiding down slowly out of a cycle to help smooth the transition from artificial to natural test production would be a legitimate substitute to PCT.

My main goal is to minimize loss of gains. Thanks in advance.

**BigMike J** · 11-20-2004, 02:32 AM

If itworked don't you think everybody would be doing it?

**Froggy** · 11-20-2004, 07:22 AM

When you stop taking a long acting ester...there is like a natural "pyramiding down" while waiting to start PCT (two weeks for test-e) as it leaves your system...At this point you need something to kick-start your natural production...for most, natural production will not take place until the cycle is done, done...
I like short acting esters at the begining & end of a cycle...this way I feel I've got more control of the cycle (((I hate waiting for Stuff to happen)))...IMO, I wouldn't pyramid down as this would likely delay the transition...Good luck to ya Bro...

**Deez101** · 11-20-2004, 12:18 PM

Actually Big Mike, I wouldn't know how many people do pyramid vs. PCT; I am a first timer and don't have any friends on the gear that's why I asked. Plus, I would think that some just wouldn't have the patience to stretch out the cycle (needle poking and money) to do the downward pyramid.

Froggy, thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

On a side note, does anyone know what the natural test production rate is for a male, 30 yrs 210 lbs?

**mcm2176** · 11-23-2004, 12:58 PM

I beieve that natural test production is roughly 70mg/ wk, though I may be mistaken - anybody else?

**justincredible** · 11-23-2004, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Froggy

When you stop taking a long acting ester...there is like a natural "pyramiding down" while waiting to start PCT (two weeks for test-e) as it leaves your system...At this point you need something to kick-start your natural production...for most, natural production will not take place until the cycle is done, done...
I like short acting esters at the begining & end of a cycle...this way I feel I've got more control of the cycle (((I hate waiting for Stuff to happen)))...IMO, I wouldn't pyramid down as this would likely delay the transition...Good luck to ya Bro...

Agreed. Deez, perhaps I misunderstood a bit, but I would just like to make certain that you know better than to skip pct right? It is totally necessary to take proper pct measures...nolva, clomid...etc.