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my freind was thinking about taking his d bol during pct. he ran it for the week 1-4, then hes going to run it the 2 weeks his off before his pct begins and was thinking of doing it during pct. will this effect anything? he is doing nolva and clomid and was wondering if doing the d bol, at 30mg/day would be effective to help hold gains?
NO! D-Bol will shut you down during PCT. Some use it as a bridge, but for PCT it will only do harm.
Don't use it in PCT at all as it will only hinder the progress of increasing test levels.
oh so it does shut down ur test levels. okay see i didnt really know all that stuff. but will it be aight to run it during the 2 weeks after his last shot and before pct starts???
i dont think that would be alright either, the point for the PCT is to get the test levels back to normal, and by taking dbols that wont happen. just do the usual waiting 14 days after your last shot and start the PCT. You could use Creatine during PCT though, ive heard from some guys on this forum that it works good and you wont notice the loss of strength (well atleast not as much).
gawd, pls read more about pct and steroid in general...
Actually, its NOT a bad idea. Running an oral between your last shot and time of PCT to prevent from crashing from lowered test levels. Lots of people do, only most people usually run winny or var or something like that. Just remember, dont run it during PCT as your pct will be useless.
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Originally Posted by farrebarre
I'm currently running dbol 10mg in the am as a bridge.
He is right I have posted this before, also remember... Swale and Pheedno is not the only protocols... They are nice standard to judge a pct protocol though. Not everyone reacts the same exact way. Fukkenshredded should post his protocol. Not everyone will agree but at least it is an alternative pct.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDTR
i dont think a dbol bridge is a bad idea. it may slow recovery SLIGHTLY, but 10mg in the am helps keep cortisol down, which is a big deal during pct.
If you are going to use it for that reason I would just as soon use test Prop and 2-3 days later after last shot start pctQuote:
Originally Posted by BDTR
ya i did do research and i do know a lot, i just dont know much about orals during pct. i figured it was a bad idea but of course my freind here sh^t at the gym and gets these wierd ideas. i told him to just run it the 2 weeks before he starts pct, since its test en. he has 2 weeks after last shot, so hes hoping it will help keep some gains. he is also going to run creatine during pct.
how are u doing with that. u still recovering ok. i heard u can recover up to 80% with 10mg of dbol in the am???Quote:
Originally Posted by The Massacre
Yup, so far so good.
well, there are a few idea's out there about this dbol administration but atleast everyone agree's it should not be used during PCT. During PCT you will have a fight between HPTA shutdown and re-stimulation between clomid and dbol. What will win or how the out come is, is anyone's guess, but PCT is your recovery time and should be a time you should give your receptors a break from androgen levels also.
I, on the other hand, do like the idea of using dbol as a bridge with out PCT. Those who stay on long periods and dont do clomid therapy use dbol in small dosages. To bridge but lower dosages to give the body a break and the receptors.
Here is an article on another board that explains the dbol bridge. I dont exactly agree with it since there is no lab research behind it but in theory it may work. I wouldn't exactly knock the idea down.
by Fonz
The Dianabol Bridge Explained
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
to RECOVER.
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol.
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
by 50-70%.
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
(Probably less)
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
reduction)
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
completely.
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
once in the AM.
ok i just did pct still have deca dick if i use d bol 10 mg in am will this help that out or should i go another round of clomid
So the dbol bridge is in place of traditional pct??? If so, would this be a better idea than traditional pct...why or why not?
nolva/clomid should still be used.
Good question. BumpQuote:
Originally Posted by BWhitaker
So, if you do that 10mg am bridge, you should still run the clomid/nolva/ldex?
Correct?
That's what I'm guessing. And this 10mg thing is just in the two weeks following your last shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by promiscio
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Originally Posted by 63190
IT reads running it for 8 weeks at 10mg a day.
So run PCTs for the 30 day period and continue the dbol at 10mg for the 4 other weeks, or run PCTs for the 8 weeks?
Just one 8 week by this theory... that means you could forgo the clomid and just do ldex/adex and nolva for 8 weeks but with the 10mg dbol bridge
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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
ahh gotcha... that sounds like more fun than just doing a normal PCT...