? on Pheedno's PCT

[Doc]

should I be running nolvadex during my cycle, when should I start PCT, 2 weeks after the enanthate or 1day after my last winny tablet, and should I include any HCG ?

my cycle will be

wk1-7 75mg eod
wk1-10 50 mg prop eod
wk1-10 250 enanthate 2x wk
wk10-15 winny

PCT
pheedno's pct

[Doc]

sorry u guys, wk 1-7 is gonna be 75mg fina eod

[LB55blitz]

No HCG needed, take 10mg Nolva ED throughout your whole cycle

[Swole33]

LB5, Tren and test, shuts down HTPA, also winny has been shown to decrease LH by 50%. You dont need HCG on a 300mg deca cycle, but you do when you use strong compounds.. USE HCG if you want to keep your gains!

1: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb 15
LOW DOSE HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN MAINTAINS INTRATESTICULAR TESTOSTERONE IN NORMAL MEN WITH TESTOSTERONE INDUCED GONADOTROPIN SUPPRESSION.


Center for Research in Reproduction and Contraception, Geriatric Research Education and Clinical Center, Veteran Affairs Puget Sound Health Care System (AMM), and Department of Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine (ADC, WJB, JKA, BDA, PLS), Seattle, WA; Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University (KLH), Los Angeles, CA; Department of Urology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine (XY, JPJ), Baltimore, MD; Division of Reproductive Biology, Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health (WWW, TRB, XY, BRZ, JPJ), Baltimore, MD.

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally we sought to determine the dose response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to determine the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate (TE) weekly in combination with either saline placebo or hCG 125 IU, 250 IU, or 500 IU every other day for 3 weeks. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/L) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/L). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 nmol/L to 72 nmol/L) in the TE/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Post-treatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.

PMID: 15713727 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

[Doc]

so i should use hcg or not

[Pheedno]

HCG would be a good idea at 250iu's E4D or 250ius every Mon/Tues

[Doc]

when should I start the hcg ?