anti estrogen hyperbole

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10-09-2005, 11:26 AM
oswaldosalcedo

anti estrogen hyperbole

i put facts here,no suppositions,no citations !

ME:
1 gr test weekly(8-10 weeks).
estradiol (estrogen) level 11.32 pg/ml.

normal levels:
adult man. 7.63-42.59.

like you see, i have very low levels.
i take tests weekly.

but i have water retention (then?),
all renal values fine.
low sodium diet and so on.

put estradiol levels here.
put facts, no conjectures.

....................substantiate with evidence.

OBJECTIVITY-TRUTH-NEUTRALITY.
10-23-2005, 11:17 AM
Drummerboy

good point... i dont think we fully understand all the mechanisms of action of all the AAS we use... its just like saying water retention from deca helps your joints, when thats not all there is to it... its more about estrogen and progesterone receptors and the related effects when they are triggered... the real actions taking place are so much more complicated than the simple explanations we generally have here... for example, the effect of androgens on the CNS, i would like to know more about that.
10-23-2005, 01:45 PM
Bryan2

your forgeting about aldersterone levels
10-23-2005, 03:19 PM
Maetenloch

In one of his articles SWALE mentioned that he believed it was very important to maintain estrogen levels within normal values even when on a cycle. Men need a certain amount of estrogen for sexual functioning and maximum growth. A lot of guys go heavy on the AIs and drive their estrogen levels into the ground thinking this will avoid the bad effects of estrogen. While many men think of estrogen and progesterone as 'evil' hormones, we're really designed to operate with a certain amount of these hormones in our bodies - if they weren't needed, the body wouldn't produce them.
10-23-2005, 04:03 PM
oswaldosalcedo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan2

your forgeting about aldersterone levels

nope

see post 39 at
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/198718-liquidex.html

"bloat can come from several causes,not only from estrogen.

progestogenic aas can stimulate the production of aldosterone*
The Journal of the Renin-Angiotensin-Aldosterone System (JRAAS) "
10-24-2005, 07:00 PM
Bryan2

You aromatse enzyme might be lacking for some odd reason then (never heard of it) but everyone is different
10-24-2005, 07:16 PM
oswaldosalcedo

interesting............
10-25-2005, 08:57 AM
oswaldosalcedo

anyway, i have to do, the aldosterone test now!
is expensive.
10-25-2005, 10:55 PM
Drummerboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maetenloch

In one of his articles SWALE mentioned that he believed it was very important to maintain estrogen levels within normal values even when on a cycle. Men need a certain amount of estrogen for sexual functioning and maximum growth. A lot of guys go heavy on the AIs and drive their estrogen levels into the ground thinking this will avoid the bad effects of estrogen. While many men think of estrogen and progesterone as 'evil' hormones, we're really designed to operate with a certain amount of these hormones in our bodies - if they weren't needed, the body wouldn't produce them.

exactly. couldnt have said it better myself. I think we should put together a thread : "When you should or shouldnt block/lower estrogen"
10-27-2005, 11:19 AM
oswaldosalcedo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

exactly. couldnt have said it better myself. I think we should put together a thread : "When you should or shouldnt block/lower estrogen"

good title.