PCT question for Test e cycle...

**Testostack** · 11-25-2005, 08:09 PM

I'm about to start a 12 weeks Test e only cycle @ 500mg EW (monday & thursday) and i wanna know what would be best for, first during cycle (proviron ?) and then for PCT?
All i can have is Proviron, letro, nolva, HCG ; but i don't wan't clomid as the sides actually are my main concern.
Thx for helping.

May the Test be with you!!

**Gra** · 11-26-2005, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

I'm about to start a 12 weeks Test e only cycle @ 500mg EW (monday & thursday) and i wanna know what would be best for, first during cycle (proviron ?) and then for PCT?
All i can have is Proviron, letro, nolva, HCG ; but i don't wan't clomid as the sides actually are my main concern.
Thx for helping.

May the Test be with you!!

I just finished the same cycle, ran 10mg nolva during until pct starts, then bump it to 20mg with clomid. I`ve seen people doing nolva only for pct. Don`t know the dosages for that. Do a search.

**onehundredk** · 11-26-2005, 05:26 AM

nolvadex and clomid will be your best friend, take a 5mg of nolv every other day, and then your LAST shot, count the days-7 days later take clomid for 10-14 days. you wont have problems. some will tell you to take clomid RIGHT after your shot, but its not needed. clomid-is 50mg aday

**Testostack** · 11-26-2005, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by onehundredk

nolvadex and clomid will be your best friend, take a 5mg of nolv every other day, and then your LAST shot, count the days-7 days later take clomid for 10-14 days. you wont have problems. some will tell you to take clomid RIGHT after your shot, but its not needed. clomid-is 50mg aday

Thx!! i know that clomid is best for testes, but what about HCG ??
I really don't want to get a hand onClomid

**MuckDog** · 11-26-2005, 06:07 AM

whats your fear of clomid? the eye spots that u hear about? just curious

**stocky121** · 11-26-2005, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by onehundredk

nolvadex and clomid will be your best friend, take a 5mg of nolv every other day, and then your LAST shot, count the days-7 days later take clomid for 10-14 days. you wont have problems. some will tell you to take clomid RIGHT after your shot, but its not needed. clomid-is 50mg aday

bro if you dont know what your talking about don't post

this is not a flame just don't want to see anyone do a wrong PCT

**stocky121** · 11-26-2005, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

I'm about to start a 12 weeks Test e only cycle @ 500mg EW (monday & thursday) and i wanna know what would be best for, first during cycle (proviron ?) and then for PCT?
All i can have is Proviron, letro, nolva, HCG ; but i don't wan't clomid as the sides actually are my main concern.
Thx for helping.

May the Test be with you!!

14 day's after last test e shot start PCT not 7 day's

don't use proviron or letro for pct

try and get some L-dex instead of letro

if you don't want to run clomid i would do this pct

day's 1-14 40mg nolva and l-dex at 0.25mg
day's 15-30 20mg nolva and l-dex at 0.25mg

**Gra** · 11-26-2005, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by onehundredk

nolvadex and clomid will be your best friend, take a 5mg of nolv every other day, and then your LAST shot, count the days-7 days later take clomid for 10-14 days. you wont have problems. some will tell you to take clomid RIGHT after your shot, but its not needed. clomid-is 50mg aday

Stop giving crappy adwise....... Someone might be dumb and listen to you.

**Papi93** · 11-26-2005, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Thx!! i know that clomid is best for testes, but what about HCG ??
I really don't want to get a hand onClomid

I know you said that you didn't want to use Clomid but I would like to share my experience with you. I used Clomid at 100mg ED for 4 weeks for my last PCT (along with 20mg of Nolva). It was AR-R 's liquid clomid and nolva. I did not experience any vision problems (everyone is different). The product helped restore my natural test levels very quickly. The only side effect was it can make you feel very sad at times (emotional). If you don't want to use clomid still, you could take Hooker's suggestion and run nolva at 60mg for your PCT. Let us know what you decide. Good luck, bro!

**Testostack** · 11-26-2005, 06:42 PM

Well, all i gotta say is thank ya'll very much cuz that's one of hell burden off of my shoulders......let's do Nolva and L-dex trhu all cycle....but for testes, no HCG ??? i don't want my balls look like nuts

**Testostack** · 11-26-2005, 06:43 PM

And about Proviron , i've been told it's great for hardening muscles and works great in synergy w/ Test (in general)
Any thoughts on that

**Drummerboy** · 11-26-2005, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

14 day's after last test e shot start PCT not 7 day's

don't use proviron or letro for pct

try and get some L-dex instead of letro

if you don't want to run clomid i would do this pct

day's 1-14 40mg nolva and l-dex at 0.25mg
day's 15-30 20mg nolva and l-dex at 0.25mg

i agree but i would use aromasin instead of the ldex... running ldex (or letro) with nolva reduced the effectiveness about 50%. Nolva does not interfere with aromasin.

**Drummerboy** · 11-26-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by striker93

I know you said that you didn't want to use Clomid but I would like to share my experience with you. I used Clomid at 100mg ED for 4 weeks for my last PCT (along with 20mg of Nolva). It was AR-R's liquid clomid and nolva. I did not experience any vision problems (everyone is different). The product helped restore my natural test levels very quickly. The only side effect was it can make you feel very sad at times (emotional). If you don't want to use clomid still, you could take Hooker's suggestion and run nolva at 60mg for your PCT. Let us know what you decide. Good luck, bro!

i dunno if he changed his mind, but i dont think he calls for 60mg of Nolva, at least thats not what we talked about recently...20mg ED should cut it. HCG if your balls shrink, and aromasin to control the estrogen spike if ya have one...

**Drummerboy** · 11-26-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

And about Proviron , i've been told it's great for hardening muscles and works great in synergy w/ Test (in general)
Any thoughts on that

The synergy you refer to is Provirons ability to free up some more test by binding to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin i think) and therefore leaving more active test in the blood. Yes, this is true. It also is somewhat of an aromatse inhibitor, but many ppl like to run newer AI's while on cycle, i guess its a matter of preference.

**Papi93** · 11-26-2005, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

i dunno if he changed his mind, but i dont think he calls for 60mg of Nolva, at least thats not what we talked about recently...20mg ED should cut it. HCG if your balls shrink, and aromasin to control the estrogen spike if ya have one...

In the profiles section, Hooker had said that he recommends nolva at 60mg as a replacement for clomid during PCT. The higher dose will help restore natural test levels. Did I read this wrong?

**Testostack** · 11-26-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

The synergy you refer to is Provirons ability to free up some more test by binding to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin i think) and therefore leaving more active test in the blood. Yes, this is true. It also is somewhat of an aromatse inhibitor, but many ppl like to run newer AI's while on cycle, i guess its a matter of preference.

Ok thx for the tip, so i guess i'll go for proviron too.......but from when to when?

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

i dunno if he changed his mind, but i dont think he calls for 60mg of Nolva, at least thats not what we talked about recently...20mg ED should cut it. HCG if your balls shrink, and aromasin to control the estrogen spike if ya have one....

Any sides w/ Aromasin ?
HCG how much ED?
BTW is it Always necessary to shoot HCG or would some Tribulus do the trick (just got the idea from MudMan)......

**Papi93** · 11-26-2005, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Ok thx for the tip, so i guess i'll go for proviron too.......but from when to when?

Any sides w/ Aromasin ?
HCG how much ED?
BTW is it Always necessary to shoot HCG or would some Tribulus do the trick (just got the idea from MudMan)......

Dude listen to Mudman. I take all his advice for PCT.
I don't believe it is always necessary to use HCG. For harsher steroids and longer cycles, yes. For your cycle, Tongkat Ali and Tribulus could work well to keep your nuts from shrinking too much.

**Booz** · 11-27-2005, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by onehundredk

nolvadex and clomid will be your best friend, take a 5mg of nolv every other day, and then your LAST shot, count the days-7 days later take clomid for 10-14 days. you wont have problems. some will tell you to take clomid RIGHT after your shot, but its not needed. clomid-is 50mg aday

wtf????

do not advise if you do not know wat the fvck you are talkin about brotha!!!

**Booz** · 11-27-2005, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Papi93

Dude listen to Mudman. I take all his advice for PCT.
I don't believe it is always necessary to use HCG. For harsher steroids and longer cycles, yes. For your cycle, Tongkat Ali and Tribulus could work well to keep your nuts from shrinking too much.

you are correct you do not need hcg unless you are runnin cycles for 16 weeks or longer imo!
but you can jumpstart your pct with hcg in the weeks between the last shot of test and the start of clomid therapy!

**Xtralarg** · 11-27-2005, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by booz

wtf????

do not advise if you do not know wat the fvck you are talkin about brotha!!!

agreed

**Xtralarg** · 11-27-2005, 05:48 AM

[QUOTE=xtralarg]Maybe that kind of advice from him(onehunderdk) explains his shiner in his avvy

**stocky121** · 11-27-2005, 05:52 AM

[QUOTE=xtralarg]

Originally Posted by xtralarg

Maybe that kind of advice from him(onehunderdk) explains his shiner in his avvy

**Booz** · 11-27-2005, 06:26 AM

[QUOTE=xtralarg]

Originally Posted by xtralarg

Maybe that kind of advice from him(onehunderdk) explains his shiner in his avvy

LMAO!!

**Testostack** · 11-27-2005, 04:35 PM

Ok, that poor dude is being flamed

....... but concerning Proviron , should i use it or not? and when? Cuz if that could increase test's potency, i'm lookin forward to it!

**stocky121** · 11-27-2005, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Ok, that poor dude is being flamed

....... but concerning Proviron, should i use it or not? and when? Cuz if that could increase test's potency, i'm lookin forward to it!

only use proviron during your cycle nit in PCT or after your cycle

**Booz** · 11-27-2005, 05:28 PM

yes proviron at the right dose,at least 50mg ed will harden you up nicely durin cycle!!

**Testostack** · 11-28-2005, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by booz

yes proviron at the right dose,at least 50mg ed will harden you up nicely durin cycle!!

Ok great, w/ all that if i didn't get it, then i'm a fool,

So let's say i do a 12 weeks cycle, that'd do:

Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED, letro 2.5mg ED
Week 3 - 12: 500mg Test E, Nolva 10mg ED, letro 2.5mg ED, Proviron 25mg ED
Week 14: PCT

PCT:
Day 1 Novedex xt/ 20mg Nolva / letro 2.5mg ED
Day 2 - 30 Novedex xt/ 20mg Nolva / letro 2.5mg ED
Day 31 - 37 Novedex xt/ letro 2.5mg ED

Am i right?

**Testostack** · 11-28-2005, 05:48 AM

Concerning the 1st 2 weeks, that idea came from Mudman to start w/ Nolva pre-cycle, and i replaced the L-dex for Letro, cuz i've read Nolva and L-dex would reduce either effects, dfon't wanna waste my products!

**TheMudMan** · 11-28-2005, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Ok great, w/ all that if i didn't get it, then i'm a fool,

So let's say i do a 12 weeks cycle, that'd do:

Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED, letro 2.5mg ED
Week 3 - 12: 500mg Test E, Nolva 10mg ED, letro 2.5mg ED, Proviron 25mg ED
Week 14: PCT

PCT:
Day 1 Novedex xt/ 20mg Nolva / letro 2.5mg ED
Day 2 - 30 Novedex xt/ 20mg Nolva / letro 2.5mg ED
Day 31 - 37 Novedex xt/ letro 2.5mg ED

Am i right?

Letro durring PCT is a bad idea............. especiall at that dose.

PCT should look like this....... 14 days after last Enan injection run PCT for no less then 30 days more if you feel it's needed

Day 1 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

or if you do not want to use Clomid

Day 1 - 30 60mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

**Testostack** · 11-29-2005, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

or if you do not want to use Clomid

Day 1 - 30 60mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

Ok great let's do this!!

Oh by the way, concerning eyes troubles w/ Nolva is it ok at that dose?
just to know......

Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED,
Week 3 - 12: 500mg Test E, Nolva 10mg ED, Proviron 25mg ED
Week 14: PCT
Do i still keep this that way ? i mean two weeks before my cycle?
just to be really sure before i do my cycle

**Testostack** · 11-29-2005, 01:22 PM

bump?

**Drummerboy** · 11-29-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Papi93

In the profiles section, Hooker had said that he recommends nolva at 60mg as a replacement for clomid during PCT. The higher dose will help restore natural test levels. Did I read this wrong?

no, you read right... sometimes he updates his opinions, and thats the latest i heard from him.

**Testostack** · 11-29-2005, 06:13 PM

only dumbs never change their mind..........

**Testostack** · 12-01-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Testostack

Ok great let's do this!!

Oh by the way, concerning eyes troubles w/ Nolva is it ok at that dose?
just to know......

Week 1,2: Nolva 10mg ED, Proviron 50mg ED
Week 3 - 12: 500mg Test E, Nolva 10mg ED, Proviron 50mg ED.
Week 14: PCT

PCT:
Day 1 60mg Nolva
Day 2 - 30 60mg Nolva
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva/ Novedex Xt
Do i still keep this that way ? i mean two weeks before my cycle?
just to be really sure before i do my cycle

Bump, anyone?

**CapnZ** · 12-01-2005, 03:26 PM

OK I ran HCG after a cycle just like yours - mainly cause I had it - at 500 iu eod from my last test shot till I started PCT (14 days) Then 1 week w/ clomid 100 mg / nolva 40 mg and then dropped back to clomid 50 mg / nolva 20 mg.
Aside form some acne, my recovery has been excellent. Great sex drive, wakin up with morning wood, no terrible mood swings. I do think the HCG helped get the ball(s) rolling....