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    Clomid & HCG The way my Dr. prescribed Maybe BS

    I get most of my supplements from my doctor just discontinuing 16 week cycle. Week 1-4 Dbol 1-16 deca and cypionate . He advised me to wait 14 days from last shot and take a 100mg's of Clomid for 10 days and take 1000 IU' s HCG for 10 days with the clomid. Then wait a couple of weeks and have all my blood work done.Pending results a few weeks later they will prescribe me what I want to get back started.

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    Hmm, doesn't match the "expert" advise I've seen which is to never run Clomid and Hcg together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triposinator
    Hmm, doesn't match the "expert" advise I've seen which is to never run Clomid and Hcg together.
    What do you reccomend? Today's the 15'th day after last shot. I've got about 20 (50 mg's) clomid and 10,000 IU's HCG . What's the worst thing that can happen from running them together?

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    Do you mean 15 days dince your last shot of Test?

    Typically Hcg is used during or at the tail end, or after cycle but before clomid. Hcg brings back testicular form (size) and function (ability to produce Test), then you move to clomid to light the spark on the testes that are (more) capable of producing.

    I can't really make a recommendation at this juncture (15 days after last stick), but the protocol above is what I would have done. I don't really commit to memory all of the logic that has been presented for the hcg then clomid sequence. I read it time after time, from quality experts and that is how I'm doing it right now.

    What is the worst that could happen? Best case:slightly longer PCT then you would have needed. Worst case: well its your body after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by JUICING
    What do you reccomend? Today's the 15'th day after last shot. I've got about 20 (50 mg's) clomid and 10,000 IU's HCG. What's the worst thing that can happen from running them together?

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    I know I have read time and time again but you would think your DR. would know best
    Quote Originally Posted by Triposinator
    Do you mean 15 days dince your last shot of Test?

    Typically Hcg is used during or at the tail end, or after cycle but before clomid. Hcg brings back testicular form (size) and function (ability to produce Test), then you move to clomid to light the spark on the testes that are (more) capable of producing.

    I can't really make a recommendation at this juncture (15 days after last stick), but the protocol above is what I would have done. I don't really commit to memory all of the logic that has been presented for the hcg then clomid sequence. I read it time after time, from quality experts and that is how I'm doing it right now.

    What is the worst that could happen? Best case:slightly longer PCT then you would have needed. Worst case: well its your body after all.

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    I know what you mean. I think a specialist in this area would never have suggested the two combined.

    Hopefully a VET will come by and have some advice for you at this (late) juncture.

    Quote Originally Posted by JUICING
    I know I have read time and time again but you would think your DR. would know best

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUICING
    I know I have read time and time again but you would think your DR. would know best
    was it your family Dr or a specialist? if family dr, they dont specialize in steroid use and may not have that much experience/knowledge for example...about what/why a breast cancer drug is used for male bodybuilders, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulCard
    was it your family Dr or a specialist? if family dr, they dont specialize in steroid use and may not have that much experience/knowledge for example...about what/why a breast cancer drug is used for male bodybuilders, etc...
    Know he is specialist in HRT This will not happen again I will better prepared next time but this time I dont feel bad so far most of the time I have a bad crash only time will tell

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    There could be a reason why your doctor prescribed you to run it that way...... this person is a HRT specialist. Maybe you should ask the doc why he has it set this way; then tell the doc you were doing some reading and you have seen other ways to run PCT as well.

    NOw I'm assuming the doctor didn't prescribe the d-bol and deca ...... Does the doctor know you ran the other compounds if they were not prescribed?

    If this was a cycle that was ran you would wait 3 weeks after the last injection of deca and cyp and run PCT like this for no less then 30 days more is needed:

    Day 1 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg Arimadex

    It's too late for HCG at this point. Then blood work can be ran a few weeks to a month after PCT has been completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    There could be a reason why your doctor prescribed you to run it that way...... this person is a HRT specialist. Maybe you should ask the doc why he has it set this way; then tell the doc you were doing some reading and you have seen other ways to run PCT as well.

    NOw I'm assuming the doctor didn't prescribe the d-bol and deca ...... Does the doctor know you ran the other compounds if they were not prescribed?

    If this was a cycle that was ran you would wait 3 weeks after the last injection of deca and cyp and run PCT like this for no less then 30 days more is needed:

    Day 1 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg Arimadex

    It's too late for HCG at this point. Then blood work can be ran a few weeks to a month after PCT has been completed.
    Yes he knows about the Dbol he prescribed the deca he will give me what ever I want. I bean reading in anabolics 2005 and it says wait 14 days then mon 5000iu hgc 100mg clomid tue clomid wed hcg &clomid thu clomid fri clomid sat clomid next week similar then 2 weeks of clomid I have already started the hcg so do you think I should stop or just add 2 weeks of clomid at the end thanks for your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUICING
    Yes he knows about the Dbol he prescribed the deca he will give me what ever I want. I bean reading in anabolics 2005 and it says wait 14 days then mon 5000iu hgc 100mg clomid tue clomid wed hcg&clomid thu clomid fri clomid sat clomid next week similar then 2 weeks of clomid I have already started the hcg so do you think I should stop or just add 2 weeks of clomid at the end thanks for your help
    Both Deca and Cyp will take 18 to 21 days to clear and you would be able to start PCT....... the book is known to have some mistakes..... With HCG and Clomid together there have been debates on which is a better way to run it.......... IMO HCG should be used durring the cycle and not PCT w/ Clomid. So IMO you can run the HCG just make sure you stop 1 week before PCT starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Both Deca and Cyp will take 18 to 21 days to clear and you would be able to start PCT....... the book is known to have some mistakes..... With HCG and Clomid together there have been debates on which is a better way to run it.......... IMO HCG should be used durring the cycle and not PCT w/ Clomid. So IMO you can run the HCG just make sure you stop 1 week before PCT starts.
    So I should stop the HCG now and not take no more clomid until Saturday. How long do you think I should run the Clomid for 2 or 3 weeks and at what milligram? Do you think I should keep running the Anastrozole throughout
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Both Deca and Cyp will take 18 to 21 days to clear and you would be able to start PCT....... the book is known to have some mistakes..... With HCG and Clomid together there have been debates on which is a better way to run it.......... IMO HCG should be used durring the cycle and not PCT w/ Clomid. So IMO you can run the HCG just make sure you stop 1 week before PCT starts.
    So mud your saying his doctor and the man who wrote anablics 2005 are wrong!!Please explain yourself because that just don't make sense

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    If you have HCG it would be wiser to run it periodically during your cycle but if you have to use it at the end use it before clomid...and your body will respond better to the clomid because there is activity in your balls rather than the dormant dust bunnies they are during your cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironmanjay
    So mud your saying his doctor and the man who wrote anablics 2005 are wrong!!Please explain yourself because that just don't make sense
    I never said his doctor was wrong because the doc may have a reason for doing what he prescribed.

    Yes, the information in Anabolic 2005 is incorrect........ cyp has an 18 day half-life and deca a 3 week...... not 14 as the poster stated that was written in the book.

    Is that enough explaination for you?

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    My HRT told me the same thing.....


    Take 1,000 units every other day during the middle of the program.



    For the end of the program, wait 1 week after your last test injection and take the same amount, "25" on the insulin syringe EVERY DAY for 10 days. Start the Clomiphene Citrate the same day as the HCG and start by taking 2 per day for 2 weeks, then take 1 per day till gone.



    I would just follow what they have prescribed. I would not think they would steer you in the wrong direction. I had the same question and with further research I have decided to listen to a doctor opposed to some persons opinion from a forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Rabbit Slim
    My HRT told me the same thing.....


    Take 1,000 units every other day during the middle of the program.



    For the end of the program, wait 1 week after your last test injection and take the same amount, "25" on the insulin syringe EVERY DAY for 10 days. Start the Clomiphene Citrate the same day as the HCG and start by taking 2 per day for 2 weeks, then take 1 per day till gone.



    I would just follow what they have prescribed. I would not think they would steer you in the wrong direction. I had the same question and with further research I have decided to listen to a doctor opposed to some persons opinion from a forum.
    I just don't know if I just 100% believe the Dr. because I think he's all about the money. I think all he wants to do is sell me some stuff. In my opinion it's just a legal way to buy steroids . I think I'm going to add a couple more weeks of Clomis just for the hell of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    I never said his doctor was wrong because the doc may have a reason for doing what he prescribed.

    Yes, the information in Anabolic 2005 is incorrect........ cyp has an 18 day half-life and deca a 3 week...... not 14 as the poster stated that was written in the book.

    Is that enough explaination for you?
    I never said that Anabolics 2005 said Cyp had a 14 day half life. My Dr. said wait 14 days to start the Clomid and HCG but now that you mention it the book says to wait 14 days and start if you were doing a Sustanon cycle. Being that Sustanon has Deca in it they ought to be waiting 21 days. Anyways thanks for all your advice.

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    Ask the doctor if he has ever done a cycle and if he personally did his HRT protocol, I doubt it. We are just telling you what works, take the HCG before the clomid, you still have time.

    That book has false info. Needs some fixin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUICING
    I never said that Anabolics 2005 said Cyp had a 14 day half life. My Dr. said wait 14 days to start the Clomid and HCG but now that you mention it the book says to wait 14 days and start if you were doing a Sustanon cycle. Being that Sustanon has Deca in it they ought to be waiting 21 days. Anyways thanks for all your advice.
    You are incorect of thinking Sust has deca in it. It has Testosterone Deconate not Nandrolone Deconate (Deca) in it. Deconate is an ester that's attached to the hormone. It's debatable but Sust has a half-life between 18 and 21 days. Deca would be 21 days so if both were stopped on the same day then Deca would be the longest accting hormone and you would wait that long to run PCT.

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