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    Red face Proviron instead of Aromasin

    Is a good idea?

    Nolvadex 20mg/ed for three weeks
    +proviron 25mg/ed for three weeks
    +hcg 500UI/ed only for the first week
    +clomid 50mg/ed for three weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre View Post
    Is a good idea?

    Nolvadex 20mg/ed for three weeks
    +proviron 25mg/ed for three weeks
    +hcg 500UI/ed only for the first week
    +clomid 50mg/ed for three weeks
    Do the hcg after cycle and before pct. Suggest 500iu's ed for 20 days then start pct. Drop the clomid and replace with aromasin .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecivon View Post
    Do the hcg after cycle and before pct. Suggest 500iu's ed for 20 days then start pct. Drop the clomid and replace with aromasin.
    ehi!
    I don't want bitch tits

    another opinion?

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    Welcome back.
    Keep the HCG 500IU EOD for the first three weeks.
    Nolvadex 40mg the first week, then 20mg 2nd to 5th week.
    Proviron can be a substitute to Aromasin , it's an AI too. I know in Italy that stuff like Arom and Letro are far more expensive than Prov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckLee View Post
    Welcome back.
    Keep the HCG 500IU EOD for the first three weeks.
    Nolvadex 40mg the first week, then 20mg 2nd to 5th week.
    Proviron can be a substitute to Aromasin , it's an AI too. I know in Italy that stuff like Arom and Letro are far more expensive than Prov.

    CL
    Perfect!

    but why hcg EOD and not ED?

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    Sorry..you can. I thought I read 1000IU oops! 500IU ED is fine.

    Keep us posted mate. When are you gonna start your cycle?

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    What substance were you running prior to PCT? That will determine the timing/administration of your PCT supplies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    What substance were you running prior to PCT? That will determine the timing/administration of your PCT supplies.

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    He started a thread about that time ago. Sust + Deca

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    cycle is already started.

    deca 400mg/w
    sustanon 250mg/w
    test enhantate 250mg/w

    for 12 weeks

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    Hope you are using sust to frontload

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    You have to stop deca two weeks before test, be aware of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckLee View Post
    You have to stop deca two weeks before test, be aware of it
    I start with sustanon and finish with test enhantate.

    i don't understand:why have i got to stop deca two weeks before test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre View Post
    I start with sustanon and finish with test enhantate.

    i don't understand:why have i got to stop deca two weeks before test?
    deca is going to be active for a far longer time then the test

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    ok...

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    Sounds to me like you are lazy and don't want to do your own research. Either that or you're too young to even be asking these questions. The advice I gave you is based on the experience of many successful lifters and experts. You don't want to take it fine, but the only way you'll be rude to call someone a liar is anonymously on a forum, you'll never do it face-to-face.

    You must have bitch tendencies if you're so concerned about bitch tits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecivon View Post
    Sounds to me like you are lazy and don't want to do your own research. Either that or you're too young to even be asking these questions. The advice I gave you is based on the experience of many successful lifters and experts. You don't want to take it fine, but the only way you'll be rude to call someone a liar is anonymously on a forum, you'll never do it face-to-face.

    You must have bitch tendencies if you're so concerned about bitch tits.


    with only hcg the estrogens becomes too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre View Post


    with only hcg the estrogens becomes too much
    Bro, who said anything about hcg only? What I posted was doing 500iu/ed hcg at end of cycle before starting pct. 10,000iu's total. For pct drop the clomid and run nolva 20mg/ed, aromasin 25mg/ed and proviron 50mg/ed.

    Everyone is obviously different, but for me and many others, this is a great protocol. This was the fastest recovery I've ever had and the most successful. You'll walk around with a woody to brag about.

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    Question

    i have read that nolvadex has a negative affect on the gh and IGF-1 production,
    is it true?

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    (1) Division of Medical Oncology, European Institute of Oncology, Milan, ITALIE
    (2) Division of Medical Oncology, Fondazione Maugeri, Pavia, ITALIE
    (3) Institute of Anesthesiology and Intensive Care, Catholic University, School of Medicine, Rome, ITALIE

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    Objective: Tamoxifen suppresses insulin -like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) plasma levels in early and advanced breast cancer patients. Relationships between tamoxifen (GH) and IGF-1 are complex and not completely described yet. The present investigation was performed to evaluate the effect of acute and chronic tamoxifen administration on GH response to growth hormone -releasing hormone (GHRH), as well as on IGF-1 serum levels. Materials and Methods Evaluation of GH after administration of GHRH was performed (a) at baseline, (b) 3 hours after 20 mg oral administration of tamoxifen and (c) after 12 weeks of 20 mg a day oral tamoxifen treatment, in fifteen postmenopausal stage I-II breast cancer patients. IGF-I was measured at baseline and after chronic tamoxifen administration. Results: The GH response to GHRH was significantly reduced after 12 weeks of tamoxifen 10 mg administered twice a day orally (mean peak 3.2 ± 0.2 μg/l, mean AUC 261.3 ± 18.2 μg/minute p< 0.01 versus basal AUC). A concomitant significant reduction of IGF-1 was observed after 3 months of tamoxifen treatment. Basal pretreatment levels of 113.2 ± 15.5 μg/l were suppressed to 70 ± 7.9 μg/l (p < 0.01). Conclusion: Our study confirm the inhibitory effect of tamoxifen on IGF-I and suggested, as shown in previous in vitro data, that its suppression could be directly related to GH reduction in response to GHRH stimulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grande_Tigre View Post
    i have read that nolvadex has a negative affect on the gh and IGF-1 production,
    is it true?
    This has not to bother you, because you'll need it and that's all

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    Plus nolva should take care of your fear of bitch tits since it competes with estrogen for the receptor site. Clomid is a worse choice, and also I dont feel the need to take both of them together for a successful pct, waste of money in my opinion.

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