Aggressive PCT for long-term shutdown

**Gears** · 03-05-2014, 10:42 PM

Hey Guys,

Long time since I have posted, but i'm currently shut down fairly hard after a 20wk+ tren /test cycle. I'm trying to put together a very aggressive PCT, but don't want to over-do it. Currently it looks like this:

HCG :
Week 1-4: 500iu ed

Nolvadex :
Week 1-8: 20mg ed

A-dex:
Week 1-8: .25 mg ed

Clomid:
Week 1: 100mg ed
Week 2-6: 50mg ed
Week 6-8: 25mg ed

I have ran a mild PCT for 4 weeks after the above stated cycle before and am still shut down, so i'm trying a more aggressive route. Last time I only used Nolva/A-dex,

I will run PCT longer if needed. Let me know what you think. Don't hesitate to be critical and make suggestions as needed.

Thanks!

**Back In Black** · 03-06-2014, 01:39 AM

Did you run HCG throughout your cycle?

**Gears** · 03-06-2014, 04:38 AM

I did not run HCG through my cycle.

**Gears** · 03-06-2014, 04:47 AM

Will HCG decrease the effectiveness of the SERMS? Should I just run a-dex with HCG and start the nolva/clomid after or is it fine to run it side by side?

**Back In Black** · 03-06-2014, 05:09 AM

Apologies ,ate I didn't read your first post properly earlier. How long was the PCT you ran and what dosages? When did it end?

I'm not suprised you don't feel like you have recovered TBH.

Have you had bloodwork done to know you haven't recovered or is it just a feeling?

**Bio-Active** · 03-06-2014, 07:23 AM

So you have been on for 20 weeks and didn't much time off from the cycle before? Without running hcg during your cycle and the length of time you have been shut down. You should consider either staying in a little longer with a low dose of test and run hcg alongside for 4-6 weeks. Then run an aggressive pct or consider running the power pct protocol

**Gears** · 03-07-2014, 01:20 AM

Back, I ran 6 weeks of Nolva/Clomid at 20mg/50mg. It was a very light PCT for what I was doing. Jim whats this Power PCT? I did a search with nothing coming up.

**Gears** · 03-07-2014, 01:21 AM

Back, im going to get bloodwork done soon, but right now I feel lethargic, low libido, weight loss, and my balls seem to be intermittently hiding.

**Bio-Active** · 03-07-2014, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gears

Back, I ran 6 weeks of Nolva/Clomid at 20mg/50mg. It was a very light PCT for what I was doing. Jim whats this Power PCT? I did a search with nothing coming up.

If you google power pct by micheal scally it will pop right up

**DiyGynoSurgeon** · 03-07-2014, 09:34 PM

Dont run HCG during PCT as it is counter productive, either run it on cycle or blast at the end stopping 3-4 days before pct

**Gears** · 03-09-2014, 02:18 AM

Jim, I looked it up and it looks good. My only concern is the argument for higher doses of HCG desensitizing LH.

**Gears** · 03-09-2014, 03:26 AM

Diy, logic pls

**Bio-Active** · 03-09-2014, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Gears

Jim, I looked it up and it looks good. My only concern is the argument for higher doses of HCG desensitizing LH.

There is a risk there but there is the same risk if the testies go to long without stimulation. You could try staying on the test another 4-6 weeks first and run hcg alongside at normal doses to see if you respond and only use the power pct if that doesn't work

**Gears** · 03-19-2014, 02:59 AM

So im still split on whether I should mega-dose or not. With what I was reading the leydig cells get desensitized through excess aromatization from the HCG . Is this true? If so wouldn't an AI combat all its effects?

**Bio-Active** · 03-19-2014, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Gears

So im still split on whether I should mega-dose or not. With what I was reading the leydig cells get desensitized through excess aromatization from the HCG. Is this true? If so wouldn't an AI combat all its effects?

Doing that much hcg will make it almost impossible to control estrogen