Detox (Steriod) cleanse during or after PCT?

[CoLean]

Hi All,

Stats: female, 35, 140 lbs, put on 20+ lean muscle during my 11 week cycle and dropped ~ 10 lbs of fat. Ran Anavar (increased to 25 mg at end) and Primo (started at 50 and upped to 80 mg at end).

I am finishing up my cycle and I am in the 10-14 day waiting period before I will start the Clomid (100/50/50/50/50), Nolvadex (40/40/20/20/20)and Arimidex (probably .5 mg 3-4 weeks, possibly decreasing to .25).

I want to do a strong detox and I am curious what timing might be appropriate as I do not want to filter out the PCT SERM and AI items before they can help me "normalize." Should I wait until after I complete the 5 week PCT that I have planned? I think that makes sense. But, I could also see there being a benefit to doing a cleanse at the beginning in order to decrease the steroids and get back to normal faster.

What do you guys think?

FYI: here is the general starting point for a cleanse that I would plan to do for a longer period of time: http://www.*********.com/steroids/steroid-detox.html
But, I also plan to incorporate a variation of this 7 day steroid cleanse in the beginning: 7 Day Steroid Cleanse

Thanks so much for the feedback!

[Jesusbrah]

Why are you gonna run nolva and clomid? Youre not a tranny, are you?

[CoLean]

Everything that I have read seems to indicate that the two items work on different receptors and both are recommended. One is selective (Clomid, I think) and the other isn't.

Not a transsexual....constructive suggestions and comments welcomed.

[Jesusbrah]

As far as i know, pct is for men, women taper off (dont quote me on that tho).

[CoLean]

Wow - I have posted the same question in the women's forum (no response yet) - but, thank you. It appears that there is a very good chance that I should have spent more time in the female forum. Several people have asked in the female forum about PCT, but I have not seen many answers. There is one article that supports your understanding and even suggests that tapering off is not needed. Seems crazy that we could just stop cold turkey and be fine. I forgot to mention that I also have a lot of Clen so I might get started on that even though now I have this Clomid and Nolva :/

If PCT isn't needed - it would seem that I could start the cleanse shortly after my last injection.

[CoLean]

It seems that PCT for women is a topic for debate. Some do some don't. Unless anyone has other suggestions, I will plan to continue with my PCT plans (maybe modifying the dosages).

But, as to my original questions - does anyone have suggestions as to WHEN a detox should be administered? During or after the PCT?

[Jesusbrah]

Good read from another forum:

ok... this subject has been up for debate for as long as i can remember... There are not many studies nor research as with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and post cycle therapy (pct) for men...

So, i figured it was about time to make a post about women's post cycle therapy (pct) options to help out women when coming off a cycle and to help men help women since we are VERY different!!!

Post Cycle Therapy i am sure you have heard time and time again... For men, this usually includes an ancillary to re-stimulate natural test production etc. With women, post cycle therapy (pct) is VERY VERY different.
I know it has been the general assumption that women do not need post cycle therapy (pct), however, it has come to my attention (and from years of experience) that we actually DO in fact need post cycle therapy (pct)...

Post Cycle Therapy for women obviously does NOT include a test stimulant, but rather other factors...

Tapers: Everyone wants to know about tapering... Well, that really depends on the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) you are using... The milder the aas, the less the taper. For example, anavar does not call for a taper, however many women have seen less side effects post cycle with a little post cycle taper. This may be 1 week after you complete your cycle where you taper down. Considering the average dosage is 10mgs, a taper would be: (5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5)

In my own personal experience with anavar, a taper for me really isn't necessary... so just stopping is fine. HOWEVER, i do apply Post Cycle Therapy!

I feel post cycle therapy (pct) should be considered due to these reasons:
Depression: MANY women report depression post cycle. I personally got it really really badly last nov, so now the last week of my cycle, i start cycling in 5HTP. You can also use St. Johns wart or valerian root etc...
Estrogen Rebound: Granted anavar is a mild androgenic, it is still an androgen. Some women experience a slight estrogen rebound. I personally have ALSO experienced this...
One of the ways i counteract it is to take "Twinlabs Male Fuel". This actually aids allowing my test levels to lower but not drop, thus preventing an estrogen rebound. When a hormone drops suddenly another one always tends to increase to counteract, even though it may not be beneficial to us...
Another way is to use a very very mild dosage of an estrogen suppressor (ie. nolvadex ) to allow the estrogen to slowly level out as the test levels fall post cycle. (As our test levels begin to return to normal and decrease, estrogen will increase post cycle, due to the fact that an Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) does suppress estrogen levels a bit, so a suppressor will control the speed at which it increases- thus preventing a possible estrogen rebound!)
Appetite: Most Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) tend to increase your appetite. This has a bit to do with an accelerated metabolism (increased muscle and protein synthesis), nevertheless, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) can increase appetite. With that said, I think a strict diet should follow your cycle.
My reasoning for this is that fact that since you have an increased appetite from using an aas, now that that is over, you will continue to experience an increased appetite, but with no Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) anymore. Basically saying that now that you are OFF, you will not be using all the calories/fuel as efficiently as when you were ON. So if you splurge like crazy, you WILL notice a rebound in weight and or fat. Get it
I HIGHLY recommend a clean diet for about 2 weeks POST cycle!!


Those are the 3 main factors i can think of that may cause havoc with a woman's mental and physical well being post cycle... They are ALL factors i have personally dealt with, struggled with and learned to control!

As a female who is using aas, PLEASE know ALL the facts!!! Be over-prepared! There is nothing worse then a women who loves her results from weeks of suffering, training, dieting, etc... only to waste all her hard work and experience negative side effects post cycle... Estrogen rebound is a bitch. Weight/fat rebound is a bitch. Depression, we won't even go there lol...

[CoLean]

I read this in the female forum. I absolutely agree that this is a good read. Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!