PCT after long cycle (Tren / Deca)

[thephoenix25]

Hi,

Ok, so I got a little carried away with this cycle so it ended up being a lot longer than I originally planned. From start to last injection will make ~18 weeks. The cycle consisted of :

1 - 16 Test E 583mg p/w
1 - 4 Test P 350mg p/w
1 - 10 Deca 443mg p/w
17 - 18 Test P 280mg p/w
13 - 18 Tren A 350mg p/w

Dbol pulsed varying from 30mg-60mg p/d

1 - 18 Adex 0.33mg eod
17 - 18 Prami 0.5mg p/d (anorgasmia)
1 - 18 HCG 500mg p/w
1 - 22 Liv 52, NAC, Fish Oil etc

My question is, do you think that this PCT is sufficiant after using 2 * 19 Nors

3 days after last shot of test p / tren a :

100/75/50/50 Clomid
40/40/20/20/20/20 Nolv

[numbere]

Hey Phoenix, I think you will be fine with that PCT. Just know that there's no guarantees with PCT. IMO front loading for two weeks isn't required. If you're really worried about HPTA reset then you can extend the clomid to six weeks.

[thephoenix25]

Thanks NumberE, I started with pre cycle test in the lower quarter of normal ~430 ng/dl so I'm kinda prepared for it struggle to recover. I have the exact amount of Clomid I listed above, so do you think 50/50/50/50/50/25 would be a better option?

[NACH3]

Thanks NumberE, I started with pre cycle test in the lower quarter of normal ~430 ng/dl so I'm kinda prepared for it struggle to recover. I have the exact amount of Clomid I listed above, so do you think 50/50/50/50/50/25 would be a better option?

They both seem like they'd work - the only difference being by extending the clomid(SERM is best for stimulating FSH -thx Jimmy) you could do either imho... Clomid 75/50/50/50/50(that's 5wks and 6 wks nolva) I just wouldn't go below 50mgs with the clomid... GL w/everything Pheonix!

[thephoenix25]

Hey Nach, thanks for the advice, I'll follow your plan. Looks like I'm all set to go now, just waiting for the Esthers to clear.

[numbere]

I'm not sure how much better, if any, it would be to use clomid for two more weeks. IMO you would only benefit from extending the clomid. I agree with NACH that you shouldn't go below 50 mg with the clomid.

[Darkness]

It all looks good, but why not continue the HCG into the PCT? It wont hurt.

[Juced_porkchop]

It all looks good, but why not continue the HCG into the PCT? It wont hurt.

actually it will.. HCG causes shutdown in some ways, while stimulating other things. HCg is only "faking" some signals in a way, and I always ALWAYS say NO HCG in PCT, it is counter productive.
at end of cycle before pct or during cycle it can help recovery, but in PCT it will actually hurt it.

[Juced_porkchop]

pct looks fine. i would rec double dose the first week , but opinions differ on that one. 5wks clomid and 6 tamox sounds good though IMO