Pct questions. Need advice. I have blood work numbers.

**archaon** · 08-09-2016, 09:24 AM

Ok guys. I'm sure I'm gonna get crucified here but I'm gonna be honest and share everything I remember. Instarted working out in April 2015. To start I was 6'1 160 lbs, high body fat percentage from crash dieting. I worked out frequently (5 days a week) and then my buddy talked to me about doing juice to get my bymvers up faster. I trusted him 100% and he designed the cycles and dosages and gave me advice. I've recently done my own research and I realized I have messed up. Bad. So here are the cycles.

Cycle 1 (175 lbs to start)
Test e 250 mg weekly for 10 weeks. No pct (that's a theme. He never told me to do pct because he wanted me to cruise and blast forever)
Cycle 2 test e 500 mg weekly Tren e 400 mg weekly
No pct
Cycle 3 test e 500 mg weekly dbol 30 mg daily
No pct.
Cycle 4 test e 250 mg weekly Tren e 400 mg weekly dbol 50 mg daily. Obviously a lot wrong here. This is where the shizz hit the fan. I lost all libido and became slightly depressed. I started doing 600 mgs test to get some more test in with the Tren. This was 5 weeks in. Plus I did dbol 2 cycles straight. I added 2 cc of eq weekly as well after week 5. I stopped Tren at week 10 and continued test e and eq. I stopped dbol after about 18 weeks total (over 2 cycles). Libido was still garbage and I haven't felt right since. I did my own research on pct and decided to do it because I was raging hirny before I started the juice. During cycle I took some letro (hated it) and then started adex at .25 mg EOD. Here is my pct.

I waited 3 weeks from last testo pin.

Hcg week 1 wed 2000 iu Fri 1500 iu Mon 1500 iu.
Hcg week 2 ~700 Ed. I think. I know I used 10000 iu total but I did miss the last treatment because it spilled in my fridge.
Week 3. Clomid 100 mg Ed. Adex .25 EOD
Week 4 I was picked up for a warrant and spent a week in jail. No pct at all. I.lost 10 lbs in there.
Week 5 clomid 150 mg Ed for 3-4 days.
100 mg daily. This is roughly where I'm at now. I was also on clen the Two weeks before jail. It's the only reason I lost weight and retained muscle.

My strength really has not dropped much. Maybe 10-15 lbs on squat and bench. Stamina is better. Vascularity and size dropped. At any rate, here are the numbers that matter.

Total test 418 (low end of normal)
Lh 6.9 (about normal)
FSH 2.1 (very low end)
Estradial 5. This is low.

When I took hcg, my sex drive came back for about a week or 2. The clomid at a high dose put me in a major depression. That has subsided. Sex drive is still low but I'm otherwise ok.

Here's where I need help. I ordered some
torem from a cem company. I was thinking of adding 60 mg daily to try to boost. I ordered a highly recommended testo booster as well. I do not remember the brand. So i am asking, should i continue with clomid and add the torem? With estradial being low (i know that messes with libido) should i stop taking the ai? What is the best way to stimulate the fsh? Or am i totally screwed from shutting down my hpta for too long? I am open to CC. I know for a fact that im an idiot and have no excuse since information is free and available.

Other info. I am 31. Currently 6'1 190 and low body fat (8-10 % maybe lower) i was up to 210 on the juice and then i did a cut this summer.

**Back In Black** · 08-09-2016, 10:06 AM

This is a mess. A complete mess. You know that.

You should kick your 'friend' in the cunt, he is a danger to you, himself and other people. Get him to join here so he can be educated.

So, you have essentially been shut down for over a year. You will be lucky to get back to anywhere near normal however, as you did no bloodwork before we have no idea what normal is for you.

Your bloodwork is pointless at this stage because you are on PCT (of a sort).

So, how do we sort this mess? Well at least you have ran some Hcg and started Clomid. Ideally you would have ran that Hcg in different doses and maybe for a little longer but it's done.

You shouldn't be taking an ai at all right now.

Let's say your pct really started last week. Your Clomid dosage at 150mg would have a lot of people depressed. Drop it to 75mg per day and run that for another week then drop it to 50mg for another 2 weeks.

get some nolvadex and run it 40/20/20/20/20/20 o. The torem you order can be used instead of your Clomid if you prefer but I'd just run the Clomid at the reduced amount.

Keep your fingers crossed and get bloodwork done around 8 weeks after the end of your torem.

If you need help with ED get some Cialis.

Oh and Don't listen to anybody coming on and telling you to take peptides

**archaon** · 08-09-2016, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

This is a mess. A complete mess. You know that.

You should kick your 'friend' in the cunt, he is a danger to you, himself and other people. Get him to join here so he can be educated.

So, you have essentially been shut down for over a year. You will be lucky to get back to anywhere near normal however, as you did no bloodwork before we have no idea what normal is for you.

Your bloodwork is pointless at this stage because you are on PCT (of a sort).

So, how do we sort this mess? Well at least you have ran some Hcg and started Clomid. Ideally you would have ran that Hcg in different doses and maybe for a little longer but it's done.

You shouldn't be taking an ai at all right now.

Let's say your pct really started last week. Your Clomid dosage at 150mg would have a lot of people depressed. Drop it to 75mg per day and run that for another week then drop it to 50mg for another 2 weeks.

get some nolvadex and run it 40/20/20/20/20/20 o. The torem you order can be used instead of your Clomid if you prefer but I'd just run the Clomid at the reduced amount.

Keep your fingers crossed and get bloodwork done around 8 weeks after the end of your torem.

If you need help with ED get some Cialis.

Oh and Don't listen to anybody coming on and telling you to take peptides

So torem and clomid is a no go? Do they serve the same role? I reduced the clomi dosage and got out of that dark hole. Viagra hasn't really helped much. I'm eating zen power like candy to get through but it's hit and miss. I have liquid cialis coming. The problem seems to be that my BRAIN doesn't WANT sex. I do not really get aroused. The girl can make things happen most of the time but it is horribly frustrating.

As far as the cycle, it is what it is. I am modest enough to know that I should have done research. This is my mess and it is a pretty big one. I would just do trt but I want to have a baby and that would be hard. I've heard that hcg can help with that but if I can be natural I'd be happiest. So I'm on week 2 of clomi since it was interrupted. I can get liquid nolva in 2 days and start that. Should I do 6 weeks total clomid or 4 weeks total clomid?

Also, what do I do to fix estrogen? I've read e2 gone = no libido. That's why letro destroys libido right?

So I'll do the clomi and nolva for the time you say and then take some time off and get re tested? It is very likely that my hpta won't bounce back, right?

**Back In Black** · 08-09-2016, 12:24 PM

Totem and Clomid are similar yes. Run the nolva for 6 weeks, you can run the Clomid 4 more weeks if you like.

Your bodies hormones have undergone massive fluxes over the last year and continue to do so during and beyond PCT. don't worry about your E2 or any other bloodwork numbers at this stage hopefully the Clomid and nolva will help right everything. Hopefully your sex drive will return in due course.

**archaon** · 08-09-2016, 12:29 PM

I'll return with results. Thank you.

**archaon** · 08-28-2016, 05:36 AM

Sex drive seems to have come back out of nowhere. A few spontaneous and morning erections regularly. Is there any reason not to stay on 50 mg clomid for the next few weeks with the nolva? The old lady and I are trying for a baby. I just don't wanna overdo it and wreck anything further.