Thailand Steroids: Anyone have an experience with these? Are they real?

[cmax]

Hello Everyone,

When I go to Thailand I usually buy the Bayer Testoviron Depot which is totally legit. I have used it for years and verified that this Bayer brand was legit using blood work. 500mg Test E per week off the Bayer brand yielded Total Testosterone : 3964.7 and Free Testosterone: >50.0. However, recently this Bayer brand of Testoviron has been pulled from all Thai pharmacies due to some government regulations.

So I just picked up the following unknown brands from Thailand:

1) Rotexmedica GmbH - supposedly an imported German Pharma brand.







2) British Dragon - an UGL brand which has been around for decades, but the packaging has changed.

[cmax]

3) March - a Thai compounding pharmacy brand. Supposedly this brand is government regulated.







4) Cypionix - a well-known UGL.







5) Alpha Pharma - another well-known UGL.





Does anyone have any experience with any of these brands? Are they real, fake, or under-dosed? Since Bayer is no longer available I've had to explore these other brands. They were all purchased from reputable Thai pharmacies. All the expat and Thai people that I have known for years seem to think that they are all legit.

[dpstore]

Hello Everyone,

When I go to Thailand I usually buy the Bayer Testoviron Depot which is totally legit. I have used it for years and verified that this Bayer brand was legit using blood work. 500mg Test E per week off the Bayer brand yielded Total Testosterone : 3964.7 and Free Testosterone: >50.0. However, recently this Bayer brand of Testoviron has been pulled from all Thai pharmacies due to some government regulations.

So I just picked up the following unknown brands from Thailand:

1) Rotexmedica GmbH - supposedly an imported German Pharma brand.







2) British Dragon - an UGL brand which has been around for decades, but the packaging has changed.

British dragon is still in business those are probaly some counterfeit

[simm]

I've used the cypionax. Brown box. Very good results!

[dpstore]

Guys british dragon died with richard :-(

[cmax]

My bad, that gear wasn't British Dragon. That gear was actually Black Dragon.

[cmax]

Many years ago, I used to buy British Dragon in Thailand, but now it seems that this new BD brand is Black Dragon Pharma.









Has anyone heard of them?

[dpstore]

Many years ago, I used to buy British Dragon in Thailand, but now it seems that this new BD brand is Black Dragon Pharma.









Has anyone heard of them?

Didnt hear much about black dragon

[cmax]

Black Dragon is a UGL in Bangkok. Not sure about the quality of the compounds yet, but they did put the effort into the packaging and documentation.

[dpstore]

Black Dragon is a UGL in Bangkok. Not sure about the quality of the compounds yet, but they did put the effort into the packaging and documentation.

Yeah but there is also golden dragon and alot of other labs using dragon as their lab name lol

OLD british dragon will never come back! :-( XXXX was one of their biggest distributor in the past!

Removed a name that doesn't want the attention.

[Berets]

Did you try the black dragon? Is it legit or not?

[cmax]

I am on week 4 of Black Dragon Test E doing pins of 1mL (250mg) twice a week so 500mg per week.

Just got my labs back today and Total Testosterone , Serum 3182.9 and Free Test > 50.0.

Not only are they legit, I think they are dosed kind of high.

[HoldMyBeer]

I am on week 4 of Black Dragon Test E doing pins of 1mL (250mg) twice a week so 500mg per week.

Just got my labs back today and Total Testosterone , Serum 3182.9 and Free Test > 50.0.

Not only are they legit, I think they are dosed kind of high.

Why do you say they are dosed high? When did you draw bloods after pinning?

[Fiskevatten]

I good idea is to check HOW they sell the stuff, I've been in Thailand for 8 years and they are horrible liers/ marketers.

- Check the catalog and see if it's a ordered catalog or home-made with cut/ copy, the later is a bad sign.
- Check the prices, too expensive usually means fake. Legit shops value returning customers and don't need to add prices.
- Check the seller, does he look like a moron when he tries to sell the stuff to you.
- Ask him what he recommends, if he clearly makes it up, then back off.
- My experience is that the cheaper the box looks, the worse it is inside. Even if it's not totally legit, a seal usually means that they put effort in making it.
Every cent counts in Thailand.
- A good sign is if you ask "do you have AAS here (say steroid , they don't understand AAS usually)" and they answer "No" or "Who told you that".
They have countless of raids and the only thing holding them legal people out is bribes - which in turn means they need returning customers and value discretion.

Sorry that I can't tell you anything on the brands, but above is a good "know-how" when it comes to shopping in Thailand. Seems tho you have it all set!
I know a few places depending on where you are.

[cmax]

Why do you say they are dosed high? When did you draw bloods after pinning?

I say that they are dosed high because the same cycle 4 weeks in using Signature Compounding Testosterone Enthanate 250mg/ml out of Orlando, Florida about 12 years ago only raised my testosterone, serum to ~2500.0 on the same cycle and more recently Testosterone Enthanate ® 250mg/ml Watson Pharma USA that they sell in the USA at Walgreens or CVS as a prescription only raised my testosterone, serum to ~3000.0 on the same cycle 4 weeks in. I use that as a baseline since these US Pharma brands are probably dosed the most accurately to the highest standard.

No, I don't draw blood after pinning. I draw blood BEFORE pinning so my test levels are at their lowest point during the cycle. 4 weeks in is relatively early, I will run more blood work 8 weeks in, the tests only cost like $20 (LabCorp or Quest).

Come on man are you serious? You may have a higher post count, but look how long I've been a member.

[cmax]

I good idea is to check HOW they sell the stuff, I've been in Thailand for 8 years and they are horrible liers/ marketers.

Sorry that I can't tell you anything on the brands, but above is a good "know-how" when it comes to shopping in Thailand. Seems tho you have it all set!
I know a few places depending on where you are.

I bought these in Pattaya. My wife is from nearby Bang Lamung (6 miles away). Usually I stick with Bayer or Schering Testosterone Enthanate (imported from Germany) been buying that for years from the same government regulated pharmacy in Thailand where her friend is a pharmacist. However earlier this year they said they ran out of it all the pharmacies and they hadn't yet imported more. They only had March compounded Testosterone Propionate at this regulated pharmacy and they had these other brands available at other less regulated pharmacies. Heard good things about all these brands since posting this, however Alpha Pharma is made in Mumbai, India and usually dosed low and has PIP. I will report back on the blood work as soon as me or someone else cycles with those.

[HoldMyBeer]

I say that they are dosed high because the same cycle 4 weeks in using Signature Compounding Testosterone Enthanate 250mg/ml out of Orlando, Florida about 12 years ago only raised my testosterone, serum to ~2500.0 on the same cycle and more recently Testosterone Enthanate 250mg/ml Watson Pharma USA that they sell in the USA at Walgreens or CVS as a prescription only raised my testosterone, serum to ~3000.0 on the same cycle 4 weeks in. I use that as a baseline since these US Pharma brands are probably dosed the most accurately to the highest standard.

No, I don't draw blood after pinning. I draw blood BEFORE pinning so my test levels are at their lowest point during the cycle. 4 weeks in is relatively early, I will run more blood work 8 weeks in, the tests only cost like $20 (LabCorp or Quest).

Come on man are you serious? You may have a higher post count, but look how long I've been a member.

Yes it was a serious question, you didn't say when it was drawn, those numbers without that give me no reference. I personally (unless I'm questioning the ester of the gear) get blood drawn at its peak, I believe it gives me more consistent readings.
Overdosed is not a good thing in my book, if you want to run more gear, run more gear. Not being dosed correctly makes it so you have to guess how much you're taking, which is something I do not personally like. Test is cheap as hell, guessing is not worth the pennies I would save. Being off by a little is okay, but now I know it's grossly overdosed I will never use their products. But, some people like overdosed, it's personal preference. Thanks for the review, giving a review and providing numbers like that helps the community so they can make informed decisions which is always a good thing.
You made a good point too, number of posts is a poor indicator of anything (and account age). There are plenty of people who make numerous posts and don't bother to learn anything along the way

[cmax]

Yes it was a serious question, you didn't say when it was drawn, those numbers without that give me no reference. I personally (unless I'm questioning the ester of the gear) get blood drawn at its peak, I believe it gives me more consistent readings.

What numbers do you typically get off a cycle of ~500mg Test per week?

[HoldMyBeer]

What numbers do you typically get off a cycle of ~500mg Test per week?

Peak: 3400-3800
Trough: 2300-2600

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Peak: 3400-3800
Trough: 2300-2600

Those are rookie numbers. You need to pump those numbers up