07-07-2004, 03:42 PM #1
Edwards as VP selection...sure sign of serious problems within the Democratic Party?
I don't think even the most ardent Bush supporter could have denied that a Kerry/Clinton ticket (most likely hillary, but bill woulda been feasible) would've closed the door on the bush/cheney campaign (with the only refuge for "W" then being to have cheney resign because of health problems and have picked up a McCain or Gulliani to counteract the Clinton selection) for good.
So, the question then becomes, if we assume (and i believe it is the case) that hillary would gladly have accepted if offered, why did Kerry not offer the position to her? In my opinion, he refused to be a candidate who would be remembered for winning on the merits of his VP (perhaps the first time in US history this would've been the case) and this attitude is emblematic of some serious dissension within the democratic party: If the Kerry/Edwards ticket goes south (as i tend to think it will) this leaves the Dems with no viable 2008 candidate that has appeared at this time (i don't think edwards is one, and hillary, with a national platform as VP, could've begun laying that groundwork)...something Kerry could've remedied had he had the foresight to see that he might lose, but for the good of his party, he could have not only maximized his chances, but the party's chances for a viable 2008 candidate. I'm telling you, the Dems have already shot themselves in the foot for '08 with Kerry selecting Edwards.
The repubs have Gulliani, will likely have the McCain option, and the likes of Mitt Romney, etc all as viable 08 candidates. My personal opinion is that shortly after bush wins the election (which I now believe he will), cheney will resign because of "health problems", and in this way the GOP can 'handpick' a successor by giving that successor the VP platform (likely gulliani or McCain). The Dems, on the other hand, now have no real rising star, as hillary was likely the closest thing they had and hubris just shut her off.
07-07-2004, 04:06 PM #2
Nice analysis. I think Edwards, while personable, was a poor choice. The ability to get some Southern votes must have been the reasoning behind the choice, but from what I hear, Edwards would not even get re-elected in North Carolina. I think Kerry picked Edwards because he did not threaten Kerry's agenda or control. Go Bush!!!!
07-07-2004, 04:21 PM #3Originally Posted by sigrabbit
07-07-2004, 05:18 PM #4
Wasn't kerry's first choice as a running mate Mccain? where did I read that. blast Ill have to dig it up.
down with bush and kerry Go general clarke!
07-07-2004, 05:25 PM #5
i think mccain said he wouldnt run as a democrat, also i believe mccain has openly supported bush.
07-07-2004, 06:56 PM #6
i bet he will win anyways, just because of all the treehuggers that dont like bush
07-08-2004, 07:42 AM #7
McCain denied being offered the option. I believe McCain has openly supported Bush in a commercial yet to be seen.
07-08-2004, 07:44 AM #8
McCain ran for president in the primarys against bush as obviously a republican, it would be hypocritical for him to run as a democrat, plus that rules the chances of him ever becoming pres out
07-08-2004, 09:17 AM #9Originally Posted by sigrabbit
07-08-2004, 09:55 AM #10Originally Posted by symatech
Yes, you will see Nazi Bush ads that will show Mccain backing Bush. However, there are just as many with him bashing Bush.
One in particular in response to Bush's tax cut, 'It is for the top 1%........I don't think Bill Gates needs a tax cut.'
07-08-2004, 10:00 AM #11Originally Posted by BigGreen
You can't honestly be serious about Hillary......Never gonna happen, Never would have happened.
She won't even win another term in New York and your talking laying ground work for President?
07-08-2004, 10:10 AM #12Originally Posted by BigGreen
However, I think one of the reason Bush hasn't been taken out by someone is that they are scared of Chenney. Bush is the lesser of two evils.
07-08-2004, 11:35 AM #13
i wish he ran with giulianni, i like bush but love rudy. they would never be able to mix
07-08-2004, 01:04 PM #14Originally Posted by nickrizz
I'm not sure Rudy would run. I have not heard anything stating he aspires to run for any office of any kind again.
He is making a sh*t load of money with his consulting biz anyway.
07-08-2004, 03:58 PM #15
i dont know if he would run either for anything else. maybe for mayor of new york again but i doubt it
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let me explain as someone who knows:
Hillary is gearing up for 08 - that is a fact and only if she thought kerry had a good chance would she accept VP, as it is Billary will make sure kerry loses so she can run in 08
Rudy could never be VP, they want him to run against Hillary in 06 to knock her out of the senate seat and thus the presidential run - bt Rudy wants to be gov of NY - and he will be - Pataki will retire and basically hand it too him - and that is probably better, Rudy does not play well with others - and to be mayor of NYC you have to be a bastard anyway
and that is the way it is kiddies...
on the Bush VP thing, its possible Cheney could resign in the second yeardue to health and Bush pic a successor - its not likely to be mcCain tho...but it is possible -would depend upon how the world was going at the time
07-08-2004, 04:42 PM #17
i dont see a female president in the near future.
07-09-2004, 08:11 AM #18
Hillary will never win a presidential election. NEVER...
I agree that Rudy will possibly run for the senate seat. It would be an easy win as the people of New York tend to greet Hillary with no love whatsoever when she is in public.
07-09-2004, 10:10 AM #19
VP's are like past presidents. they are suppose to be seen, not heard. hillary and giulianni and bill could NEVER be vice pres
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Edwards was picked as a running mate b/c that is what the poles showed ppl wanted. This was a good choice as Kerry/Edwards were leading the poles by 10% last I heard. As far as Hillary making things easy, no way. She is a female and I just dont see anyone voting a female pres or vice pres for a long time.
07-10-2004, 12:06 AM #21Originally Posted by CYCLEON
have you been listening to npr? this is left wing radio you know.
07-10-2004, 08:15 AM #22
i heard the left wing radio station is doing so bad
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