07-19-2004, 08:48 PM #1
religion - is it good for your health?
is religion out of date? i mean all religion? i have nothing against religious people. except their dogmatic religious zealotry which reeks of intolerance and exclusivity. rantra mantra hahaha.
what do you think? are you religious? do you think god writes the 'good' books or is god dead or gay or both? does jesus touch you inside? do you drink the balm of gods love?
hmm. strokes chin. discuss.
07-20-2004, 06:16 AM #2
no takers then... i'm a Pagan Bastard me.
07-26-2004, 06:37 PM #3
There's a good side of religion--when it provides comfort in times of trouble.
There's a bad side of it, too--when it binds people into tribes filled with hostility and suspicion for anyone outside the tribe. Fundamentalism (of any religion) is, IMHO, nothing more than a mental illness. Those afflicted with it selectively emphasize which parts of their scripture they will comply with and neglect others, forcing people to fit an unbending, intolerant religion instead of bending religion to the needs of people. Fundamentalists usually hold to absurd notions contrary to science and common sense, and suffer the consequenses in their lives and relationships.
I suppose religion will be around for as long as there is a gap between scientific knowledge and human wonder. So long as the religion is characterized by love and hope, and not fear and hate, it'll be ok . . .
07-26-2004, 07:00 PM #4
Good post Tock. I am religious. Actually last year there was a study or article in Time magazine that showed religious people lived an average of 6-7 years longe I think it is the hope/ love factor. I can't recall the whole article but I'm it made the cover of Time Magazine.
Skin I'll try to post my perspective on your questions tomorrow, too much to write tonight.
07-26-2004, 07:06 PM #5
Religeon does provide relief for many in times of hardship, but unfortunatly people are only so patient, wich means if many bad things start to happn in their lives they end up blaming religeon and in many cases not trusting it anymore.
If it makes you succeed and understand and be wise, give you strengh in hard times, teaches you compassion and tolerance, and makes you dedicated to improving yourself in every way then religeon is good for you,
however if it make syou think your better than others, if it makes you discriminate more against the people that arent as religeous as you or dont heave the same beliefs, and if it in any way triggers violent emotions and thoughts towards other religeons and beliefs, then religeon is bad for you and its better for you to be athiest.
Think of it as a tool, use it wisely and you will master it, abuse it and your in the ER trying to explain why that ended up in your anus, and then the work health coverage doesnt want to cover it and....oh sorry i got carried away that was a personal story...
07-26-2004, 07:11 PM #6
I just find it ironic that the religion that one tends to follow just "happens" to be the one they're brought up in. Christianity= N.A and Eur among others, Islam= Middle east et al, Hinduism= India, Buddhism= S.E. Asia
Coincidence? Most devout followers of any religion really adhere to the belief that their religion is "correct", but the mere fact that you gravitate to the religion in which you were brought up kind of takes away from the idea of inherent "rightousness" of that religion. If Christianity is "right", then why don't more Moroccans convert to Christianity or more anglos convert to Islam, if that's "right"? Instead, religions sit back and take pot shots at each other as if there really is a "correct" religion. The you have the monotheistic religions laugh at the religions of Ancient Rome and greece, with their polytheistic beliefs......what's so crazy about that? All Christianity is is a lazy for of polytheism, where you lump all of the Gods' attributes into one central figure.
I can see some value in "faith", as it can provide comfort and hope, but I think it really takes away from some people's lives when they center their lives around the idea that there is some afterlife.....there's no assurance of that, but what is a guarantee is that there is a earthly life, so take advantage of that.
The religious rituals are also hard for me to accept. The abtiquated dietary restrictions (that were formed in large part because of the ignorance of peroper preparation and storage of certain foods at the time), the antiquated and unnecessary clothing restrictions/requirements of many religions....pointless.
This does not apply to all of course, but the irony of the religious feeling their lives are somehow "deeper" than the nonreligious, yet they merely go through the motions of their respective religious ceremonies w/o any real thought as to the meaning.....the obligatory church-goers that are planning their trips to the grocery store after church (during the service).....I mean, come on.
Then there is a large proportion of "Christians" that do not hesitate for a minute to "judge" those that don't subscribe to their beliefs....a bit hypocritical, I'd say.
I actually have a ton of respect for the "real" religious people of the world....the ones where you can just tell they have tremendous faith in what they say and believe....it's the religious "part-timers" that get me, where they are only "religious" when it suits them.
I also have a profound respect for the people that have their faith, yet are completely open to listening to viewpoints that contradict the teachings of their faith.....w/o feeling the need to refute these viewpoints with a passage from a religious text or any other similar assertion.....they have a true belief in what they feel and believe, and feel no need to validate it for someone of an opposing viewpoint.....there is no insecurity there....real faith....I respect that.
07-26-2004, 07:19 PM #7
I was raised Lutheran , stopped church when I was ten went to college and studied world religions. Became an an athiest until a few years ago. I've been all over the map. For me right now in my life my faith is real, I'm not some bible thumper running around saying praise the Lord all the time. If you didn't know me personally you wouldn't suspect. I am not always successful because I am after all human but I try to live my life as an example. (passionate threads and debates sometimes throw me off track) but I honestly mean it just the same my faith is real, I respect opposing viewpoints even when I disagree with them, or at least I try to. I'm still learning I was pretty barbaric in my old ways so this is growth and improvement for me.
07-26-2004, 08:37 PM #8
Einstien once again makes real observations that many people dont stop and think of, and the points mentioned are very valid, everyone automatically assumes their religeon is the right one,just because its theirs!! and also wont take a second to listen to what anyone else would say just because since they assume they are right...then everyone else is wrong. I took the world religeon class in college too and all it did is open my eyes to the fact that everyone's religeon is nothing to do with whats real and whats not, its more about what your family and surrounding families followed and did wich makes you believe what you do. Very few people actually study their religeon in detail and compare it to others, the majority of peopl know a little here and a little there and thats the basis of their entire belief.
07-26-2004, 11:02 PM #9
"religion is the opium of the masses" -Karl Marx
altho i disagree with pretty much all Marxist tenants i think this one hold some water.
07-28-2004, 02:55 AM #10
some really eloquent posts in there. thanks all. Tock you are one eloquent bro. also like einstiens take on it all.
on the subject of clothing, i saw a recently a programme about muslim women in the uk who now wear hajab or bhurka (sp!?) these folk had elected to wear the body-covering attire as they felt it expressed their religious sincerity and also interestingly, liberated them from lechery of men. i am not a fan of islam or any particular religion but it seems the truth behind the assumptions is occasionally startling.
thanks again chaps, all really interesting posts
07-28-2004, 01:16 PM #11Originally Posted by einstein1905
07-28-2004, 01:34 PM #12
Organized religion is a cruch for week minded people.
07-28-2004, 01:38 PM #13
I hope all of your superior intellects help you to master the universe. We religious morons and lemmings will still be leaping into the sea of faith. Ask yourself what at all if anything do you have faith in? I hope the answer isn't shallow, sarcastic or narcissitic, but I assume it will be.
07-28-2004, 02:01 PM #14
i think faith is a beautiful thing if dogma doesnt get in the way. i certainly dont have the sac to say that an omnipotent being could not exist, but i dont follow any religion. i agree with nietzche: not their love, but the impotence of their love is the only thing that keeps todays christians from...burning us at the stake.
07-28-2004, 02:10 PM #15
I happen to believe in God. I was raised a God fearing man...although I'm not too fond of church...I still go. I don't know for certain my religon is the right or wrong one to believe in..........but I feel it is the one for me.
07-28-2004, 02:19 PM #16
You're lucky we have the new Testament or you could be right!lol
07-28-2004, 03:15 PM #17
always thought the phrase 'God Fearing' was rather paradoxical.. archaic.
(quoting the Nicene Creed) "there is no room for fear in love, we love because he loved us first"
(chin stroked, time for a shyte and a read)
07-28-2004, 03:23 PM #18
Skin, no sarcasm intended, very profound post.
07-28-2004, 04:01 PM #19Originally Posted by einstein1905
Speaking for myslef, most of the people that I know changed religions in their adulthood. There have been some that stayed, but most people I know changed or dropped it all together.
And you're right about everyone thinking their religion is correct. When I was in my late teens, I went from church to church, religion to religion and every one of them claimed to be the "one true religion". I don't know that there is only one true religion, but I do know that there a lot of false religions out there. If a religion goes against the principals, laws and rules that is supposed to be following, then you can be pretty sure it's a false religion.
A lot of religions have a belief in an after life, and a lot of Christian religions believe in an after life, despite the Bible (the document the religion is based on) doesn't say anything about there being an afterlife.
07-28-2004, 04:05 PM #20
07-28-2004, 04:15 PM #21Originally Posted by einstein1905
I am a Christian, and I go by what the Bible says. In the Old Testament, it did say not to eat certain foods, it didn't say why you shouldn't eat them, just that you shouldn't eat them. We can assume that there was some health concern, but not necessarily so. The New Testament says that you no long have to go by that old law. The Bible also speaks about false religions and how to tell if a religion is false. One of those things is a religion that tells you that you should obstain from certain foods.
Clothing restrictions are a lot of time, not just religious, but cultural. Some religions dictate the woman to dress completely covered. Some dictate that the woman only wear skirts and dresses. Most however don't dictate what a man has to wear. You really have to go back into the history of every religion to see why they have a clothing restrictions. Some came about because of climate and then became associated with the major religion in that reagon. The Bible says that a woman is not to dress as a man and a man is not to dress as a women. So, there are restrictions on both sexes. But how many Christian women do you see wearing pants? I don't know why that would even be a requirement, either in God's eyes or man's eyes.
I do agree with you about the way "religous" people act. They sin like there's no tomorrow and then they go to church on Sunday. They talk about the other church members, what they're wearing, how much they gave, how there children are acting and then they go home and do all kinds of wicked things. But they think they're doing the right thing in God's eyes. It's really a joke. And I guess that would be another way to tell if you're in a false religion.
07-28-2004, 04:29 PM #22Originally Posted by einstein1905
What gets me is all of the people that are so gung ho about their religion but haven't even read the text that there religion is supposed to be based on. My mother in law is a Christian. Pentacost to be specific. She's been going to the same church for decades. I flipped thru her Bible and only found two or three scriptures highlighted. And if you get into a conversation with her, she can't validate any of her beliefs with what's written in the Bible. She just believes it's true. Pentacostles are the ones that speak in tongues and of course one of the three scriptures highlighted in her last 30 years of going to church was the one about God's people going forth, healing and speaking in tongues. She had no idea that there's another part that asks what's the use of speaking in tongues if nobody knows what you're saying and there's nobody there that can translate? They take the whole idea of speaking in tongues out of context.
07-28-2004, 04:36 PM #23Originally Posted by skinjob
08-05-2004, 05:53 AM #24
i dont have anything against anyone who is religious.. i still believe we need some sort of common law for humanity (religion). the only thing i really have against religion and very religious people is that most are closed minded to other perceptions. also for an example, babtists push that crap on you like it was a tax or something.... the argument now is to take god out of the currency and our national anthem. to me thats a little much but you have to think about when our forefathers came across from europe...why did they come across?? TO ESCAPE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION! just something to knaw on. peace guys.
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