08-06-2004, 10:31 PM #1
KERRY & BUSH comparisons by individual years.
George W. Bush and John Kerry both spent their mid twenties in uniform. The similarities end there.
February 18, 1966:
A senior at Yale, Kerry commits to enlist in the Navy.
Kerry is assigned as an Ensign to the guided-missile frigate USS Gridley. After five-months aboard, he returns to San Diego to undergo training to command a Swift boat, used by the Navy for patrols in Vietnam.
Kerry is promoted to Lieutenant.
November 17, 1968:
Kerry arrives in Vietnam, where he is given command of Swift boat No. 44, operating in the Mekong Delta.
December 2, 1968:
Kerry gets his first taste of intense combat, and is wounded in the arm. He is awarded a Purple Heart.
George W Bush
A senior at Yale, Bush takes an Air Force officers test. He scores in 25th percentile in the pilot aptitude portion, and declares that he does not wish to serve overseas.
May 27, 1968:
Bush enlists in Texas Air National Guard. Aided by Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, he jumps over waiting list. He pledges two years of active duty and four years of reserve duty.
June 9, 1968:
Bush's student deferment expires.
After basic training, Bush pulls inactive duty to act as gopher on Florida Senator Edward J. Gurney's campaign.
After Gurney wins, Bush is reactivated and transferred to Georgia.
Kerry takes command of a new Swift boat, completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all in the Mekong Delta area.
February 20, 1969:
Kerry is wounded again, taking shrapnel in the left thigh, after a gunboat battle. He is awarded a second Purple Heart.
February 28, 1969:
Kerry and his boat crew, coming under attack while patroling in the Mekong Delta, decide to counterattack. In the middle of the ensuing firefight, Kerry leaves his boat, pursues a Viet Cong fighter into a small hut, kills him, and retreives a rocket launcher. He is awarded a Silver Star.
March 13, 1969:
A mine detonates near Kerry's boat, wounding him in the right arm. He is awarded a third Purple Heart. He is also awarded a Bronze Star for pulling a crew member, who had fallen overboard, back on the boat amidst a firefight.
According to Navy rules, sailors that have been wounded three times in combat are eligible to be transfered to the U.S. for noncombat duty. Kerry is transferred to desk duty in Brooklyn, NY.
George W. Bush
Bush is flown to the White House by President Nixon for a date with daughter Tricia.
Bush transfers to Houston and moves into Chateaux Dijon complex. Laura lives there too, but they don't meet till later.
January 3, 1970:
Kerry requests that he be discharged early from the Navy so that he can run for Congress in Massachusetts' Third District. The request is granted, and Kerry begins his first political campaign.
Kerry drops his bid for the Democratic nomination and supports Robert F. Drinan. Drinan, a staunch opponent of the war, wins the race and goes on to serve in Congress for ten years.
Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and becomes one of the group's unofficial spokespeople.
George W. Bush
Bush joins the Guard's "Champagne Unit," where he flies with sons of Texas' elite.
November 3, 1970:
George Bush Sr. loses Senate election to Lloyd Bentsen, whose son is also in the "Champagne Unit."
November 7, 1970:
Bush is promoted to first lieutenant. Rejected by University of Texas School of Law.
April 23, 1971:
Kerry helps to organize a huge anti-war protest outside Congress, earning a place on president Richard Nixon's "enemies' list." He joins a group of Vietnam veterans who throw medals and campaign ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol.
April 23, 1971:
Kerry testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He tells lawmakers: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
November 10, 1971:
Kerry quits Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
George W. Bush
The Texas Air National Guard begins testing for drugs during physicals.
Bush is hired by a Texas agricultural importer. He uses a National Guard F-102 to shuttle tropical plants from Florida.
Kerry moves to Massachusetts' 5th District to run for Congress again. He wins the Democratic nomination but loses to Republican Paul Cronin, in part because of his anti-war views.
After losing the election, Kerry is hired as a regional coordinator for Cooperative for American Relief to Everywhere(CARE).
George W. Bush
May 26, 1972:
Bush transfers to Alabama Guard unit so he can work on Senator William Blount's reelection campaign. According to his commanding officer, Bush never shows up for duty while in Alabama.
Bush is grounded for missing a mandatory physical.
Bush returns to Houston, but never reports for Guard duty.
In D.C. for the holidays, Bush takes 16-year-old brother Marvin drinking and driving. Confronted by father, Bush suggests they settle it "mano a mano."
Kerry enrolls at Boston College Law School.
George W. Bush
October 1, 1973:
The Air National Guard relieves Bush from commitment eight months early, allowing him to attend Harvard Business School
Last edited by EastCoaster; 08-06-2004 at 10:55 PM.
08-09-2004, 03:04 PM #2
Look at Bush November 7th, 1970.... Its kind of funny that he was rejected admission to a public law school, then he gets accepted to Harvard Business School. How do you get rejected from the University of Texas, but accepted to Harvard?
08-09-2004, 04:15 PM #3
where did you get all these facts? i heard kerry was only in vietnam for like 3 months
08-09-2004, 04:26 PM #4Originally Posted by nickrizz
I'm tellin ya.......... it's about to hit the fan..
But then again..
the american people voted a dope smoking draft dodging adulterous for President.. so
electing a Liar would be the same thing........The answer to your every question
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08-09-2004, 06:19 PM #5Originally Posted by spywizard
Dont make things up.
08-09-2004, 06:22 PM #6Originally Posted by nickrizz
He was in for 5 months... He arrived in vietnam on November 1968, came home on April 1969 because he was wounded three times.
08-09-2004, 06:41 PM #7Originally Posted by EastCoaster
You're one to talk.
You constantly make statements and then do not support them with logic or fact, you just say it like you are some supreme being and because you said something, it makes it so........
How about instead of just assuming he is lying because he disagrees with you, you ask him to back up his statement instead?
08-09-2004, 08:04 PM #8
Hmm, let's look at the fact that out of 25 of Kerry's fellow army brother's only one of them would support and endorse his military record at the Dem convention. Kerry recieved the purple heart only because he accidentely shot himself , the bullet bounced off a rock. So war hero .
08-09-2004, 08:06 PM #9
Kerry's a self made hero
08-09-2004, 08:13 PM #10Originally Posted by Hugh-Hefner's-Son
Bro, he got shot 3 times. Please keep your ignorance to yourself, its a horrible thing to spread.
Last edited by EastCoaster; 08-09-2004 at 08:17 PM.
08-09-2004, 08:14 PM #11Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
Its about time, now we're on the same page.
08-09-2004, 08:51 PM #12
Hmm, well at least one person is supporting Kerr'ys lies and falsehoods regarding his war history, not even his fellow soldiers will endosrse him and they were there when all this supposely happened.
Guess you only read what you like , here's another link that I suppose is media flak according to Bostoners such as yourself.
08-09-2004, 09:05 PM #13Originally Posted by Hugh-Hefner's-Son
Tell your dad he is my hero for me, could you please?
Eastcoaster, could you please tell us WHY you do not beleive the evidence that Kerry has lied about the things he did to get his awards?
08-10-2004, 09:24 AM #14Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
The military does not simpily take your word that you were shot and give you an award, not to mention his silver and bronze metals. They investigate everything from your commanding officers to eye witnesses. None of these people had anything to say then? I can promise you that they were all part of the investigation. The military is very serious and selective in giving out bronze and silver stars. If in fact there was the least amount of doubt that he may have lied, the military would open an investigation (if they already havent), and take the metals back. This is NOT something the military would take lightly, and if they believe him... I believe him.
If you think that John Kerry had all this staged before he joined the military then you're backwards... you dont join the military and request active duty in the heart of the fire, unless you're serious. He and anybody out there could have been killed everyday, he didnt have body guards with him out there... just his M16. This is not something somebody does to become popular... its because of people like this, that we are able to live in a free country. John Kerry had more balls when he was 23 years old then the majority of us out there, I know I'm not going to join the military during war after I graduate from college.
08-10-2004, 11:30 AM #15Originally Posted by EastCoaster
Purple hearts are only supposed to be given during action during conflict, two of Kerry's were not during "action." They were self inflicted injuries. How do you explain that?
Kerry volunteered because he was going either way. Let's not forget that Kerry would have been drafted had he not volunteered.
On a side note.....
As for your military endeavors, I wish you the best of luck.
08-10-2004, 03:25 PM #16
No one knows the truth except for the people who where there and witnessed these events first hand. But, don't you think it's suspicious that only one of Kerry's war mates will support his story, while the rest are against him.
I like Kerry in many ways and support his motives, but lying and creating stories is not tolerable.
08-10-2004, 09:50 PM #17Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
I dont know what happened during the military investigations, nor do you or anybody else. Thats why I dont think anybody should try and judge or decide this mans activities during Vietman.
Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
08-10-2004, 10:45 PM #18Originally Posted by EastCoaster
Originally Posted by EastCoaster
Here is what I could find it online:
Pages 10 and 11
Excerpt of Relevance:
Did John Kerry Lie About His War Record? Democractic Candidate Refuses to Release All of His Vietnam War Records.
Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry has never been forthcoming about how he earned three Purple Heart medals in Vietnam - and the reason for his reticence appears now to be coming clear.
The day after John F. Kerry said he would make all of his military records available for inspection at his campaign headquarters, a spokesman said the senator would not release any new documents, leaving undisclosed many of Kerry’s evaluations by his Navy commanding officers, some medical records, and possibly other material.
Kerry, in an interview Sunday on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” was asked whether he would follow President Bush’s example and release all of his military records. “I have,” Kerry said. “I’ve shown them – they’re available for you to come and look at.” He added that “people can come and see them at headquarters.”
But when a reporter showed up yesterday morning to review the documents, the campaign staff declined, saying all requests must go through the press spokesman, Michael Meehan. Late yesterday, Meehan said the only records available would be those already released to this newspaper.
“He is releasing all military records he has released to The Boston Globe,” Meehan said in a telephone interview. In a follow-up e-mail, Meehan said it was those particular records to which Kerry was referring on “Meet the Press.”
**Important Part**Kerry’s commanding officer at the time, retired Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard, told The Boston Globe that Kerry basically awarded himself a Purple Heart after receiving a superficial scratch in what Hibbard said was not even a firefight. **Important Part**
This is what we really know about John Kerry’s “war record". John Kerry served approximately 4 1/2 months in Vietnam – a little more than one-third the normal 12-month tour. Within a 90-day period, Mr. Kerry allegedly received three injuries that resulted in Purple Heart awards. All three wounds were minor and did not require medical attention.
Tedd Peck, one of the Navy’s Coastal Division 14 officers, says that John Kerry pressured his squadron executive officer to “put him in” for his first Purple Heart after the squadron commander indicated he thought the injury was so minor it didn’t rise to the level of an award.
What is the real story about Mr. Kerry’s war record and why won’t he release his service records like all the previous Presidential candidates? What is he hiding?
Originally Posted by EastCoaster
08-10-2004, 11:52 PM #19Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
08-11-2004, 08:51 AM #20Originally Posted by 50%Natural
lol, the graph is self explainatory, it came directly from congress. You've got to be kidding me... you're a smart guy 50, dont act like a dumbass.
08-11-2004, 09:58 AM #21Originally Posted by spywizard
lolol the sad thing is, he was one of the best presidents we have had in 50yrs. well his records indicate that. cheating or not. look back to b. franklin, j.f.k., washington, and etc all of them cheated on their wives so your point is?? aslo bush dodged the draft too! thanx to daddy bush of course. spoken from a republican!
08-11-2004, 10:06 AM #22
sorry for double posting but i am just so confused with this whole bush thing. i am a fairly hardcore republican my whole family is that way. but bush is really a dumbass! you guys are pretty inteligent and you cant see that?? fiddy! goes for you too man. kerry bull **** this kerry bull **** that
look at bush! he did a **** load of coke, used be an alchoholic, dodged the draft, ran a baseball team into the ground along with 2 other oil companies. raided a country without proper facts and proof.. i mean come on its endless. he opened up national forrests in alaska for oil drilling( DUH! he is an oil tycoon) cutting down trees in other national forrests. our air is at its dirtiest now than in the past 20 years( bush lightend up the restrictions on high polluting plants). and the bull **** keeps going. guys i voted for bush so i really have the right to bitch about him. i hope he goes back to texas with his tail tucked between his dumbass cheeks. peace guys
08-11-2004, 12:42 PM #23Originally Posted by EastCoaster
08-11-2004, 03:02 PM #24
Kerry is a liar. He said he was in Cambodia illegally as ordered by Nixon.
There are two lies in this statement. First, he was never in Cambodia. Second, when he was in Vietnam Nixon was not even President yet.
John Kerry = Liar
Remeber, Kerry is Osama's man.
08-11-2004, 10:00 PM #25Originally Posted by max-it
Back your statements up please. I would like to see a source stating these remarks.
08-12-2004, 09:18 AM #26Originally Posted by Hugh-Hefner's-Son
08-12-2004, 10:59 AM #27
08-12-2004, 03:10 PM #28Originally Posted by EastCoaster
whatss the matter lib, your google broke? Just like a piece of sh!t liberal to want someone else to do their work for them
08-12-2004, 03:41 PM #29Originally Posted by max-it
That was uncalled for bro, edit your post and I will delete this one.
Last edited by UrbanLegend; 08-14-2004 at 08:42 PM.
08-12-2004, 11:41 PM #30
Urban, be nice. You preach to "source your statements" more than anybody here.
08-13-2004, 02:53 AM #31
SO its as simple as you would vote for which ever president served the most honorably??? If so who did you vote for when clinton ran for president????
08-13-2004, 09:38 AM #32Originally Posted by Anhydro78
Who is that directed to? If its directed to me, I will answer.
I'm not voting for John Kerry based on his military experience, but I do think that presidents should have military experience. I'm voting on John Kerry becasue of where he stands on issues. I support his tax, health care, gun laws, and education plans. Not to mention, he supports stem cell research, which I feel could be the answer to help solving many of our illnessess.
As far as George Bush is concerned, I support his effort to imporve Homeland Security... though nobody even cares about the "color system", it changes to yellow and everybody just goes about their day as nothing changed. But I do support the effort. Thats about it.
08-13-2004, 02:51 PM #33
DO you support the practice of aborting babies in such a late term that the mother has to hear her baby cry when it comes out and watch the Doc( fock head) kill it. Is that one of the issues you stand on. I despise this practice!!!! And it shows the morality of where this country is going.
Of how about Homosexual intrests that want to teach kids in shcool sex education including homosexual relationships ( trying to normalize it). I think homosexuals should have all the rights we have but they shouldnt have more than us. And shouldnt be allowed to impose their beliefs on us. I have no problem with them even having civil unions but you can not make Gay marriage legal. The problem with ( or my concern) is once it is made legal then youll see lawsuit after lawsuit of Gay people suing churches for not performing religous ceramonys on them. You know then it will discrimination. And we all know how happy all the Gay and Lesbian activists are allready so happy with christian organizations. We cant let them do that. Once again I have no problem with them or anything they want to do as long as it doesnt affect anyone else.
Would you really rather quit the war on terror and only let arab coutrys run policing action on Al Queda???????
Once again im not trying to be snotty I just figure you would be the best to get going on these topics.
08-14-2004, 10:06 PM #34Originally Posted by Anhydro78
Lets say that you're in a bad accident and you have to be put on a life preserver. You've lost all physical and mental capabilities, thus you're nothing more than a vegetable. In such a case, once you've lost function and control of your brain, you would be pronounced medically dead.
Under the same train of thought, an unborn baby does not have brain capability till roughly 8 months... without brain capability you're medical dead, thus an unborn baby prior to 8 months is medically dead.
Not saying I believe that, but its something to think about.
Back to my orginial answer, I'm not in support of partial birth abortions. I mainly only support abortions of incest and rape. Under rare circumstances I feel that ill-legitimate mothers should be eligable as well... the problem with this is that you'll have every crack whore in town getting an abortion. I wish there was a way we could limit it to accidents ( or lack of protection), to high school students and such.
Originally Posted by Anhydro78
I do not support homosexual marriages, and I'll explain later. With that said, I have no problem with homosexual relationships being taught in school. Elementary, Middle, Junior High, and High School is to prepare children for the world ahead of them. In such subjects as Homosexual relationships and religion, the teacher is not there to make their decisions for them. They are there to education the children of the situations so they dont enter the world ingorant and stunned with the surprise of diversity.
My main reason against homosexual marriages is this...
Let me create a scenario.
You have John who is a single heterosexual male thats 52 years old. John has a good friend named Ben, he is also a single, but Ben is a bisexual who contracted the HIV virus several years ago. John and Ben get married, but not because John turned gay, but because John wants to help his friend out and give him family medical benefits thats covered under his job.
The same scenario applies to several situations... Whats going to keep single male and female "friends" from getting married so they can receive benefits like tax, and medical cuts for "families".
I dont want to sound insensitive, but marrage is a bond of love. I can foresee a lot of homosexual marriage manipulation and misuse... and it wont be by the homosexuals... it will be mostly by single patrons looking for benefis.
Originally Posted by Anhydro78
This is a battle that cant be won my friend. It is a different world over there, and we need to stop trying to push a better way of life upon them. Let them live the life they've prepared for themselves... and let us turn the focus back to us... the USA.
Its like I said in a lot of other posts... where I come from, you look out for you and yours first. We've spend roughly 30 billion dollars in Iraq already, and if George Bush is re-elected, his adminstration has already said they have estimated another 20 billion to be spent in the next 2 years. In the unfortunate event that George Bush is re-elected, I hope he rethinks this. We have a lot of streets, cities, and people in the United States that could benefit from 20 billion dollars.
oh well.... I guess I'm just living in a world that makes sense.
08-15-2004, 10:19 AM #35Originally Posted by spywizard
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