08-12-2004, 11:23 AM #1
Did Jesus die on a stake or a cross??
I'm sure most people believe a cross, but I really want to know why some people think he died on a stake and not a cross. I don't even really see what it matters, but it's something to discuss and I'm sure we'll all learn a little something.
Last edited by DBarcelo; 08-13-2004 at 09:52 AM. Reason: misspellings
08-12-2004, 12:00 PM #2LORDBLiTZ Guest
He was killed nailed to a cross.
08-12-2004, 01:11 PM #3
I think you nailed it (no pun intended) by saying it doesn't really matter....the important fact is that he did it! I think you meant to say stake or cross and not steak (like t-bone).
I think the whole premise for some saying it was more like a stake and not a cross comes from the fact that some historians have suggested that the traditions of that era of time was to execute a person on what would more appropriatedly be called a stake, but what has been translated through the years as tree, cross, etc.
08-12-2004, 02:27 PM #4
Jesus died on a wooden cross that was made from a tree.....hence it being wood, and hence the tree reference in certain translations. The best source for more info on this would be the #1 bestseller of all time......The Bible. Not Harry Potter
08-12-2004, 05:52 PM #5
Cross... the best question is was it a
or was it shaped like
08-12-2004, 09:03 PM #6
Like RedBaron said, a lot of historians say that there was no cross at the time, they only had stakes. Jesus carried one peice of wood, not two. You need two pieces of wood to make a cross. But in any case, continue.........
08-12-2004, 09:13 PM #7
I thought it was a cross. A cross is made from 2 stakes if anyone hasn't said that already. My question is if he was from Africa was he black?????????? (White people hate that. )
08-12-2004, 10:40 PM #8
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
08-12-2004, 10:53 PM #9Originally Posted by rocco78
I must have been hungry when I wrote that. I think I was actually cooking steak when I wrote it. A little Freaudien thing going on there.
08-12-2004, 10:55 PM #10Originally Posted by Lozgod
Maybe I'll ask that in another thread later on. I like to spread out the questions. That's if you don't mind me asking a question that you've already asked in this thread.
08-12-2004, 11:32 PM #11
08-13-2004, 12:19 AM #12Originally Posted by Lozgod
08-13-2004, 12:24 AM #13Originally Posted by DBarcelo
08-13-2004, 09:11 AM #14
The original word that is translated cross in the Bible is the word STAUROS. If you look up the definition of that word in something like Vine's expository dictionary you will find that the original word denotes primarily an upright pale or stake. Vine's will go on an tell you about how the two beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, thie initial of his name.)
It was suggested that maybe this idea didn't come from the Bible. I would suggest that what is important when you do read the Bible is that from time to time you look at the Hebrew and Greek words to find out what the original meaning was. I think we have to remember that the translations of the Bible we use today were translated in the 17th - 19th centuries. That is a LONG way from 1st century AD, and words change meanings. If you don't believe that, compare the slang of the 50's and 60's to today. Say the word GAY today and what do you think of. In the 50's and 60's that carried a totally different connotation. Language changes, so when in doubt check out the original word. The idea of a stake doesn't come from "Harry Potter", it comes from the original meaning of the language of the Bible and from history itself.
Since we don't have the actual archeological find of the cross that Jesus hung on, we can never say with certainty what it was (pale, stake, two beamed cross), but I think we have to say at least that our traditional idea of a two beam cross may not be totally accurate. It certainly doesn't lessen the fact that he died on the "cross", or in any way compromise the Bible. It just means that many of the depictions of the cross that we see used in many religious works may not be so accurate.
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08-13-2004, 09:14 AM #15
RedBaron excellent post.
08-13-2004, 09:29 AM #16New Member
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what is truth
First the question of cross or pole or whatever is a rabbit trail
that leads no where.
The real Question is have you read First John ?
There is a truth even if you reject it it still remains truth.
There are no gray areas here.
Jesus is God who came in the flesh .
We are all sinners and the punishment for sin
is death and hell......
You and me can never be perfect and that's what God requires
to gain heaven ...
So the plan of God was for him to take you punishment
So Jesus (God became man) was born and lived a perfect life.
Then as God says the wages of sin is death ....
So Jesus was killed on the cross ......
Three days later alive again and victory of death and hell.
Now what do you have to do to gain the gift of heaven.
Accept Him... Ask Jesus to forgive your sins
seek to turn from sin and follow after Jesus.
from sin ..
Now go read the word of God it was written for you.
Who is GoD - There are three that bare witness to the truth
Father God Jesus God Holy Spirit God
One What and Three Who's
08-13-2004, 09:37 AM #17
Dane, I don't think any Christian would disagree with the Gospel of John but the question and topic is different than your post.
08-13-2004, 09:45 AM #18
I agree with 1victor. That is a whole different subject. But to answer your question yes, I read the entire Bible all the way through 4 times a year.
08-13-2004, 09:46 AM #19
That's actually going to be my next thread I start. Why do people think that Jesus is God? But I want to wait until this one is exhausted first.
08-13-2004, 09:54 AM #20
And were in the Bible does it say anything about a gift of heaven?
08-13-2004, 09:55 AM #21
You can ignore that last question. I had already done a thread on that question. Nobody was able to answer the question.
08-13-2004, 10:00 AM #22
It it in the New Testament that It is mentioned after the coming of Jesus the new covenant was established.
08-13-2004, 10:23 AM #23Originally Posted by 1victor
The new covenent has nothing to do with anyone going to heaven, or the stake, or Jesus being God (I'm not sure which one you were replying to).
08-13-2004, 10:31 AM #24
Yes it does, through accepting Jesus as our Saviour & Lord we ensure our rightful place in Heaven.
08-13-2004, 10:34 AM #25
If he had died in an electric chair, you'd see lots of people walking around with little silver chairs dangling from their ears and around their necks as jewelry.
Pretty weird, IMHO.
08-13-2004, 10:34 AM #26
08-13-2004, 10:38 AM #27
Tock you are a racist bastard!
08-13-2004, 10:39 AM #28
I don't think he died on either. I think he moved away with Mary, raised a family, and died naturally.
08-13-2004, 10:47 AM #29Originally Posted by 1victor
08-13-2004, 10:49 AM #30Originally Posted by Tock
08-13-2004, 10:51 AM #31Originally Posted by co2boi
08-13-2004, 10:54 AM #32Originally Posted by DBarcelo
I'm sure that Jesus carried an alter around in his back pocket so people could pray in front of it and be forgiven for their sins.
08-13-2004, 10:55 AM #33Originally Posted by 1victor
Racist? Where did that come from?
Bastard? What do you know about my mom and the milkman?
08-13-2004, 11:01 AM #34
Just kidding Tock I called someone else a Muslim on a thread yesterday and two Mods called me racist and warned me.
08-13-2004, 11:03 AM #35
Dbarcelo look in John 3:3 and John 5:24 how much money will you be mailing?
08-13-2004, 11:03 AM #36Originally Posted by 1victor
No problem . . . I've been called worse (Republican, once).
But y'know, some types of humour just don't work well on these newsgroups . . .
08-13-2004, 11:15 AM #37Originally Posted by 1victor
Not so fast. What is Jesus' kingdom?? What is Jesus the king of, or going to be the king of?
08-13-2004, 11:16 AM #38
Heaven at thr righ hand of God.
08-13-2004, 11:32 AM #39Originally Posted by 1victor
The right hand of God? But I thought Jesus WAS God? Oh the contradictions
08-13-2004, 11:35 AM #40
Jesus is part of the Trinity........... Father, Son & Holy Ghost. Jesus was not God where do you see anywhere where people call Jesus a God?
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