Thread: Bush guard service???
09-09-2004, 09:24 PM #1
Bush guard service???
CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED
CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.
The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.
Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York.
09-09-2004, 09:25 PM #2
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
Sept. 9, 2004 — Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War
Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.
"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."
First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.
Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."
Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.
"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."
Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."
Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."
Experts Question Veracity
Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter
09-09-2004, 09:26 PM #3
Lets see how much of this the main stream media picks up!
09-09-2004, 09:29 PM #4
Bush got outta going to NAM because of his parents thats that.
09-09-2004, 09:45 PM #5Originally Posted by JT2k
Bush served honorably, and That's that. And that is exactly what this crap dan rather is spewing is gonna show
09-09-2004, 09:49 PM #6
LOL wasnt he gone from his post to help out a senator for like 1 year to a year 1 1/2?
09-09-2004, 10:03 PM #7Originally Posted by JT2k
09-09-2004, 10:08 PM #8
i didnt even read it bro... im n between a phone and my girlfriend and typing on here. sorry about that ill read it now
09-09-2004, 10:11 PM #9
Then why are you posting on this thread? They are saying the those docs were forged bro. I would love to see Dan Rather eat his words.. you can read more here if you like too. http://www.drudgereport.com/
09-09-2004, 10:14 PM #10
I was going off your reply to my first post and wasnt thinkin chill out. BTW he still didnt go i dont care if he wasnt AWOL or not atleast John Kerry went
09-09-2004, 10:20 PM #11Originally Posted by JT2k
09-09-2004, 10:28 PM #12
And for sure John Kerry is Unfit for Command.
That’s the judgment of men who served with him. This explosive book reveals a John Kerry his political image-makers are trying to hide. But the veterans who served with him know the truth, and now they tell their stories.
John O'Neill was the naval officer who took over Kerry's “swift boat” in the muddy waters of Vietnam, and what he learned convinced him—and convinced the majority of veterans who served directly with Kerry—that John Kerry was and is unfit for command at the lowest rank in the navy, let alone the highest in the nation. O’Neill and his co-author Dr. Jerome Corsi (a Harvard-educated expert on the anti-Vietnam War movement) have interviewed dozens of veterans who served with Kerry and have meticulously documented a shameful record of betrayal and deception. In Unfit for Command you'll learn:
* How all three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, easily treated with band-aids, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization
* How captured Americans were tortured in North Vietnamese prisons for not endorsing Kerry’s false testimony about alleged American war crimes
* How Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.
* How Kerry carried a typewriter and an 8-mm home-movie camera with him in Vietnam so he could record his own exaggerated version of his war exploits and film staged reenactments of his “combat actions” to advance his political career
* Why a picture of the Democratic presidential nominee hangs in a place of honor in the communist War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City
Based on detailed interviews with veterans who served in Vietnam with John Kerry and on recently released FBI surveillance reports of his anti-war activities, Unfit for Command is a shocking indictment of a politician who slandered his fellow veterans, danced on the edge of treason, and has shamelessly exaggerated his own war service for political ends
09-09-2004, 10:29 PM #13
LOL You mean to tell me that you think driving a swift boat down the mekong delta in the middle of a guerilla war is comparable to flying a jet in friendly skies? LOL i like most of your replies on most of the issues but on this your dead wrong to me. Sorry bush may have not went AWOL but he sure as hell didnt volunteer like Kerry did.
09-09-2004, 10:42 PM #14Originally Posted by JT2k
BTW have you seen any of the recent polls???
I can forward a few of those if you would like...
09-09-2004, 10:44 PM #15
New ABC Poll Shows Bush in Lead
Analysis by Gary Langer
Sept. 9, 2004— The 2004 campaign enters its decisive phase with the advantage to President Bush, who has reasserted his personal and professional credentials, effectively driven up John Kerry's negatives and broken through to a lead in likely voters' preferences.
According to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, registered voters by a 27-point margin now say Bush has taken a clearer stand than Kerry on the issues, by 27 points call Bush the stronger leader and by 19 points say he would make the country safer. Bush also has a 22-point advantage in trust to handle terrorism, a 16-point lead on Iraq and perhaps a slight edge even on the lukewarm economy.
Sampling, data collection and tabulation for this poll were done by TNS.
These and other ratings have either reversed or eroded Kerry's position. After the Democratic convention Kerry had a six-point lead as more honest; now it's Bush +13. Kerry had a 13-point lead on a "vision for the future"; now it's Bush +9. Kerry had a 14-point lead on understanding people's problems; now they're essentially even (Bush +1).
Moving these underlying views has enabled Bush to break out of the virtual dead heat that's defined the contest: Among likely voters in this ABC News/Washington Post survey, Bush has 52 percent support, Kerry 43 percent, Ralph Nader 2 percent. It's Bush's first lead beyond the margin of sampling error in any ABC/Post poll since Kerry seized his party's nomination in March. The race is 50-44-2 percent among all registered voters.
The contest is far from over: This poll follows Bush's convention, a week in which he held center stage in public attention, and his convention "bounce" — an insignificant +5 points among registered voters — is an anemic one, on par with Kerry's +8 and below the average, +14, in polls since 1968. One difference is that Kerry left his convention in a dead heat among likely voters, while Bush leaves his with a lead.
09-09-2004, 10:44 PM #16
Ouch that one hurts dosent it.... Now are you gonna tell me that abc is a conservative network??? Peter Jennings?? lol! now that would be really funny
09-09-2004, 11:22 PM #17Originally Posted by Jdawg50
09-09-2004, 11:26 PM #18Originally Posted by Badgerman
Bopping around in a jet.... hmmmm great word usage.
09-09-2004, 11:31 PM #19Originally Posted by Jdawg50
AirForce fighter jocks
09-09-2004, 11:34 PM #20Originally Posted by Badgerman
09-09-2004, 11:39 PM #21
Before you say a wordOriginally Posted by Badgerman
Bopping around in jets... say that to your buddies
09-09-2004, 11:40 PM #22Originally Posted by Jdawg50
I think you got caught up in too many Thunderbird shows....
09-09-2004, 11:46 PM #23Originally Posted by Badgerman
Were not talking about Iraq we are talking about 1960's arnt we,,, when did we change the subject?
Thunderbirds? never watched, nor do I know whom they are???
so there... mister smarty pants
09-09-2004, 11:51 PM #24
Thank you good night
09-09-2004, 11:57 PM #25
Regardless of who did what, do you not see it as a problem that Kerry denounced his medals when he was back in the states only to use them to exalt himself 30 years later in his bid for the presidency? I somewhat have a problem with that since Bush doesn't tout the fact that he was in the reserves...also, since he "sucks" so bad, what about all the other guys who were in the guard during the war? Does this make them shytty individuals too?
09-09-2004, 11:58 PM #26Originally Posted by Jdawg50
Coal miner is not a pushover job either.......
I said it is safer than flying a cessna.......I consider that not an unreasonable risk......
The F-102 became operational in 1956
• Bush was accepted into pilot school even though he scored in the 25th percentile on a standardized test. The test was given to all prospective pilots and there was no specific score that disqualified a candidate. In addition, Bush had two arrests for college pranks and four traffic offenses before applying for pilot training. Former and current military pilots say it was uncommon for an applicant to be approved for training with such a record
During a telephone interview with USA TODAY in 2002, Roome described Bush's career as mercurial; the first three years were outstanding, the final two troubled. "You wonder if you know who George Bush is," Roome said.
"I think he digressed after awhile," he said. "In the first half, he was gung-ho. ... Where George failed was to fulfill his obligation as a pilot. It was an irrational time in his life."
Is that the kind of guy you want to vote for??
THANK YOU. I WIN.
09-09-2004, 11:59 PM #27Originally Posted by Jdawg50
Ya, flying a fighter plane in Texas, defending the US from those bloodthirsty Mexicans is as dangerous a job as there is . . .
09-10-2004, 12:11 AM #28Originally Posted by Tock
09-10-2004, 12:26 AM #29Originally Posted by Jdawg50
Well, the head honcho of the Alabama unit Bush was supposed to have been in says that he never saw him there . . . not even once . . .
I'd say Bush=AWOL . . .
09-10-2004, 12:30 AM #30Originally Posted by Tock
09-10-2004, 12:38 AM #31
I dont see why this is an issue. Nobody cared that Clinton went to Canada during Vietnam. Nor that he admited that he did drugs.
If the tables where turned and Bush went to Vietnam and received a medal for it would you guys vote for him instead??? Nope didnt think so.
09-10-2004, 12:38 AM #32Originally Posted by 50%Natural
No one seems to think that the US Vietnam policy was well thought out, or that fighting that dammed war was a good idea. So no, it doesn't bother me at all . . .
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
09-10-2004, 12:44 AM #33Originally Posted by Tock
09-10-2004, 12:47 AM #34Originally Posted by Anhydro78
I recall from my days of dabbling in politics here in North Texas in 1992, that all of the CLINTON yard signs I put out (several hundred) were defaced . . . some upset right-winger printed up a bunch of 9" x 11" adhesive sheets with
CLINTON -- DRAFT DODGER and glued 'em to hundreds of signs. Probably was a group effort of some sort, as wide an area as their vandalism went . . .
Anyway, for some strange reason, some folks are much more upset that Clinton dodged the draft than Vice President Cheny did the exact same thing (got 5 deferments).
Oh, and Clinton was studying in school in England on a Rhodes Scholarship; I don't think he made it to Canada . . .
09-10-2004, 12:53 AM #35Originally Posted by 50%Natural
If I thought I stood a chance to get drafted, I'd probably enlist in something cushy like the USAF . . .
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
Originally Posted by 50%Natural
09-10-2004, 06:44 AM #36
Bush is a smack head
09-10-2004, 07:17 AM #37
WeakOriginally Posted by Badgerman
09-10-2004, 01:32 PM #38
All that flying involved quite a bit of work. "Being a pilot is more than just a monthly appearance," says Bob Harmon, a former Guard pilot who was a member of Bush's group in 1971 and 1972. "You cannot maintain your currency by doing just one drill a month. He was flying once or twice a week during that time, from May of 1971 until May of 1972." While the work was certainly not as dangerous as fighting in the jungles of Vietnam, it wasn't exactly safe, either. Harmon remembers a half-dozen Texas Air National Guard fliers who died in accidents over the years, including one during the time Bush was flying. "This was not an endeavor without risk," Harmon notes.
Hmm.. a half dozen deaths over the years and your Comparing this to boat trips down the mekong delta? Right...
09-10-2004, 01:39 PM #39
I personally know many more people who have died in car accident and light general aviation accidents than have died in military jet crashes.......
09-10-2004, 01:41 PM #40
I should clarify......non-combat related
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