09-23-2004, 11:18 PM #1
The Puppet Speaks.......Bush the ventriloquist
Allawi's Congress speech draws flak
Interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's speech before the US Congress has been received with scorn and ridicule by regional analysts and Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.
The first Iraqi to address the US Congress, Allawi on Thursday said "we are succeeding in Iraq", and thanked members of the congress for "your brave vote in 2002 to authorise American men and women to go to war to liberate my country, because you realised what was at stake".
Allawi emphasised that nationwide elections planned for January 2005 will go ahead as scheduled and "will be free and fair. And though they won't be the end of the journey toward democracy, they will be a giant step forward in Iraq's political evolution".
"They will pave the way for a government that reflects the world, and has the confidence of the Iraqi people," he added.
Elections under occupation
But Arab analysts labelled Allawi's speech and his highlighting of national elections a farce.
"What elections under occupation?" asked Mustafa Bakri, editor of the weekly Egyptian news magazine al-Osboa.
Bakri believes a country occupied
cannot have free and fair elections
"Iraq is not free nor is it stable. There is nationwide chaos. Its infrastructure has been destroyed and its wealth pillaged and plundered by the US occupation," he told Aljazeera.net.
Bakri said elections must be all-inclusive and not leave out any sector of Iraq society.
Only hours after Allawi's speech, US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld raised the possibility that some areas of Iraq night be excluded from elections scheduled for January if security could not be guaranteed.
"Let's say you tried to have an election and you could have it in three-quarters or four-fifths of the country. But in some places you couldn't because the violence was too great," Rumsfeld said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.
"Well, so be it. Nothing's perfect in life, so you have an election that's not quite perfect. Is it better than not having an election? You bet," he said.
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry disagreed.
"The United States and the Iraqis have retreated from whole areas of Iraq," he said.
"There are no-go zones in Iraq today. You can't hold an election in a no-go zone."
Bakri also believed Allawi's speech on democracy for 15 of the 18 governorates "is merely covering up the reality in Iraq".
"Allawi is mimicking Bush's fantasy that Iraq is an oasis of security. This speech is neither for the Iraqi people nor world opinion, but for the US voter.
Analysts allege Allawi's speech was
designed to aid Bush's re-election
"The speech was expected and the response from Congress was expected," he told Aljazeera.net.
Other analysts also believe the nature of Allawi's speech and its intended audience served White House election year gambits.
"It's the spin that the White House likes to put out," Chris Toensing, editor of Middle East Report, told CNN shortly after the Allawi speech aired.
"It was well-tailored to the needs of the Bush administration."
A different story
The most severe criticism, however, came from Kerry, who claimed Allawi's speech was an attempt to put the "best face" on an Iraq campaign that is out of control.
"The prime minister and the president are here obviously to put their best face on the policy, but the fact is that the CIA estimates, the reporting, the ground operations and the troops all tell a different story."
Kerry also charged that Allawi's speech was in stark contrast to statements the interim prime minister made in recent days.
"I think the prime minister is obviously contradicting his own statement of a few days ago when he said that terrorists are pouring into the country," Kerry said.
But Dr Walid Kazziha, political science professor at the American University in Cairo, believes Allawi may have had no choice.
Bakri: Allawi (L) showed his loyalty
to those who brought him to power
"[Allawi] knows what is going on but in front of his master Bush, can't say anything else.
"His speech was so similar to all Bush speeches … he is doing a Bush election speech," he told Aljazeera.net.
The speech may yet prove effective, however, as it reinforces the White House notion that Bush is in control of the Iraq situation.
"Coming from the Iraqi prime minister, the speech will give Bush credibility and simultaneously undermine the Kerry campaign," Kazziha said.
09-24-2004, 01:15 AM #2
You are the most anti-american person on here. You argue for our enemys. there has to be something up with that man. What is that makes you embrace our enemys agenda.. I can understand the muslims on here doing that, but you an american. You some kind of Anarchist or something???
09-24-2004, 07:20 AM #3Associate Member
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09-24-2004, 07:41 AM #4Originally Posted by Anhydro78
09-24-2004, 08:08 AM #5Originally Posted by Carlos_E
Yeah...these guys tell me how anti-american I am......I'm just pro-think......I've lived long enough to read about our country and the europeans shenanigans in other parts of the world......overthrow of legit governments......vietnam......the cold war......
you young punks think you've seen it all......but you never crack a history book and find out WHY there are conflicts. You just can't face simple realities
like we are the ones that devlop USE and SELL some of the most destructive weaponry on the face of the earth. Somehow a guy sitting behind a computer screen launching missles that blow the crap out of a country is better than the guy in jeans trying to run the US occupation out of IRAQ.
If we want to be a world leader we need to lead by cutting out the clandestine bulls***......we need to create peace and democracy by leadership rather than always resorting to the use of force.
Last edited by Badgerman; 09-24-2004 at 08:15 AM.
09-24-2004, 08:13 AM #6Originally Posted by Anhydro78
it's as simple as that......
09-24-2004, 08:20 AM #7Originally Posted by Anhydro78
not to flame, but i think you are the epitome of the problem in this country. you have interpreted a statement in the most brainwashed of ways (if your not for us your against us). last time i checked fear of your government was the foundation of freedom, no the enemy of it.
09-24-2004, 08:24 AM #8Originally Posted by sin
09-24-2004, 08:26 AM #9Originally Posted by Carlos_E
09-24-2004, 08:25 PM #10
The whole point of our president and the iraqi president going to the U.N. was to try to get support for Iraq and when they speak about the progress in a positive way, this is in effort to get other countrys on board by saying the Iraqi new goverment isnt a lost cause.
When you try to discredit the new Iraqi president yes you are aiding the enemy. If it suits you to see our country fail to better you political agenda . Well that is sad. You guys act like you would like to see America ruined just to get your guy in office.
Ill tell you what which ever man is elected president I will back his decisions during the middle of a War. Thats what kind of man I am!!
Its sad when polatics get in the way of you wanting what is best for America!!!!
09-24-2004, 08:29 PM #11Originally Posted by Badgerman
Here you go so you all can quit saying the stupid liberal propaganda slogan " Iraq is an illegal war" Maybe everyone should not get all their wits from BBC.
Here is the latest Iraqi U.N. resolution
The Security Council,
Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,
Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,
Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,
Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,
Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,
Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,
Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,
Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the Council's repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,
Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,
Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,
Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,
Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA is essential for the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions,
Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Iraq addressed to the Secretary General is a necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq's continued failure to comply with relevant Council resolutions,
Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq laying out the practical arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure by the Government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements as laid out in that letter,
Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,
Commending the Secretary General and members of the League of Arab States and its Secretary General for their efforts in this regard,
Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,
Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,
1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);
2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;
3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;
4. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations and will be reported to the Council for assessment in accordance with paragraphs 11 and or 12 below;
5. Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC's or the IAEA's choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;
6. Endorses the 8 October 2002 letter from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq, which is annexed hereto, and decides that the contents of the letter shall be binding upon Iraq;
7. Decides further that, in view of the prolonged interruption by Iraq of the presence of UNMOVIC and the IAEA and in order for them to accomplish the tasks set forth in this resolution and all previous relevant resolutions and notwithstanding prior understandings, the Council hereby establishes the following revised or additional authorities, which shall be binding upon Iraq , to facilitate their work in Iraq:
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall determine the composition of their inspection teams and ensure that these teams are composed of the most qualified and experienced experts available;
-- All UNMOVIC and IAEA personnel shall enjoy the privileges and immunities, corresponding to those of experts on mission, provided in the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations and the Agreement on the Privileges and Immunities of the IAEA ;
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential Sites equal to that at other sites, notwithstanding the provisions of resolution 1154 (1998);
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programmes and the associated research, development, and production facilities;
-- Security of UNMOVIC and IAEA facilities shall be ensured by sufficient UN security guards;
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to declare, for the purposes of freezing a site to be inspected, exclusion zones, including surrounding areas and transit corridors, in which Iraq will suspend ground and aerial movement so that nothing is changed in or taken out of a site being inspected;
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed- and rotary-winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles;
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right at their sole discretion verifiably to remove, destroy, or render harmless all prohibited weapons, subsystems, components, records, materials, and other related items, and the right to impound or close any facilities or equipment for the production thereof; and
-- UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to free import and use of equipment or materials for inspections and to seize and export any equipment, materials, or documents taken during inspections, without search of UNMOVIC or IAEA personnel or official or personal baggage;
8. Decides further that Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against any representative or personnel of the United Nations or the IAEA or of any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution;
9. Requests the Secretary General immediately to notify Iraq of this resolution, which is binding on Iraq; demands that Iraq confirm within seven days of that notification its intention to comply fully with this resolution; and demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively with UNMOVIC and the IAEA;
10. Requests all Member States to give full support to UNMOVIC and the IAEA in the discharge of their mandates, including by providing any information related to prohibited programmes or other aspects of their mandates, including on Iraqi attempts since 1998 to acquire prohibited items, and by recommending sites to be inspected, persons to be interviewed, conditions of such interviews, and data to be collected, the results of which shall be reported to the Council by UNMOVIC and the IAEA;
11. Directs the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to report immediately to the Council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations, including its obligations regarding inspections under this resolution;
12. Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant Council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;
13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;
14. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
09-24-2004, 09:57 PM #12Originally Posted by Anhydro78
09-24-2004, 10:07 PM #13
Thats exatly my stance Sin. I back this country not the canidate. My point is that even if "if" Kerry wins, I will still stand behind the agenda of this goverment. I will not wish Kerry to fail with the war on terror. I would hope him the best of success.
Here should be the eye opener for you guys. You guys argue with the muslim members on this board. You are not for our Government you are against what it trys to accomplish. ANd I really feel that you guys would like to see this administration fail this country all for political gain. Thats sad..
By the way we are just different color sheep.
09-24-2004, 10:41 PM #14Originally Posted by Anhydro78
Bro, its scary how much trust you put in politicians. What in the heck ever convinced to put so much blind faith in a politician?
09-25-2004, 06:23 AM #15Originally Posted by Anhydro78
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