Thread: Round two goes to Bush
10-08-2004, 08:50 PM #1
Round two goes to Bush
Bush did a great job tonight, I like him a lot more than I did before. He definitly owned Kerry on the economy, where Bush talked about how his Tax cuts have worked (and the have) and slammed Kerry on how his ideas weren't pheasible (and they aren't). Kerry has no idea how to pay for ANYTHING. Kerry was having a hard time making it look like his domestic agenda didn't come straight out of the Manifesto. Bush made definitly was stronger on the economy and healthcare (with the exception of the importation of drugs from Canada, eh) and homeland security tonight. His plan for reducing spending was good, hopefully he can pull it off (if he gets elected). When Bush talked about Kerry's piss poor plan for dealing with N.Korea, that was great, its about time people saw that Kerry has no clue what he is doing, its all hot air. Bush has needed to say he was wrong about Iraq, but he never will, and thats the one area that Kerry consistantly kills him on.......Kerry definitly came across as a man without convictions when it came to talking about Stem Cells. I thought both candidates made good points about their plans for abortion, they just needed to combine the two. Ditto with the Patriot Act, it has the right idea of going about things (Bush), but it does need a few revisions (Kerry). Kerry's voting record is biting him in the butt more and more, its hard for him to say he is now for this, when he voted against it, or never voted for it in the first place......
10-08-2004, 08:56 PM #2
any undecided voters have an opinion?
10-08-2004, 08:56 PM #3Originally Posted by sin
Whats yours, if I might ask?
10-08-2004, 08:58 PM #4Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
10-08-2004, 09:51 PM #5
I thought it was a draw last time, but this time Kerry whupped Bush's butt, except for the comment he made that Bush owned a lumber company -- what's up with that?
10-08-2004, 09:54 PM #6
Kerry is soo stiff like a piece of wood.
10-08-2004, 10:16 PM #7Originally Posted by Jdawg50
That's pretty much my favorite part of my anatomy . . .
10-08-2004, 10:24 PM #8
you think bush improved the economy?
Does a free war paid for by iraqui oil ring a bell?
then how we needed $25 billion for the rest of the year?
Bush also sounds like a fool when he speaks, he mispronounces words consistently. ITS NUCLEAR GOD DAMMIT< NOT NUCULAR!
10-08-2004, 10:41 PM #9
It is plain and simple…Bush lost like he is going to loose in the next election. What did good old Abe say, something about fooling some of the people some of the time… Well, Bush is not going to fool anyone next time…America knows what’s up and it isn’t GW.
10-09-2004, 07:25 AM #10
ST. LOUIS, Missouri (CNN) -- The day after the second presidential debate, an initial poll indicates a statistical tie in Friday night's face-off between President Bush and Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll taken right after the town hall meeting-style debate found respondents giving a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Kerry over Bush: 47 percent of them went for Kerry and 45 percent for Bush.
The survey had a margin of error of plus-or-minus 4 percentage points, making the results a virtual draw.
It did suggest that Bush had a significantly better performance than in the first debate, which respondents gave to Kerry by a margin of 53 percent to 37 percent.
10-09-2004, 07:29 AM #11
I am very unbiased about this.
The first debate Kerry crushed Bush.
Vice Presential debate Cheney was winning in the beginning, and then went soft towards the end, and Edwards won towards the end.
This recent one was also won by Kerry, although Bush did a much better job.
Bush sounds like a average guy off the street, Kerry talks like a intelligent person.
10-09-2004, 07:50 AM #12VET
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how can you say Kerry on this debate ?? all kerry did was say "i have a plan for..." and not once did he say what the hell the plan did
he avoided the 2nd to last question on tax payer's money paying for abortion. when it was bush's turn, he stood up, walked over, said "no, we're not going to use tax payer's money" - she got her question answered in the first sentence.
kerry obviously doesn't want to spend any money to protect america. **** him.
10-09-2004, 08:00 AM #13Originally Posted by KeyMastur
Maybe if i was the CEO of hewlett packard and i was given millions in tax breaks to send my jobs over seas i would vote for bush?
But i am not i'm a middle class american, and i will vote for kerry
10-09-2004, 08:38 AM #14
I think it was a tie this time as well.
Bush really got Kerry on his voting record especially with the "i voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry's only response was "I made a mistake about the way I talked, he made the mistake of rushing to war without a plan to win the peace" Its got the whole 'lesser of two evils' mentality which doesn't fly with me at all.
Then again, Kerry got Bush on his foriegn policy especially when he mentioned the conference in Japan. Where Bush says he didnt sign the treaty because he didn't think it was right. Kerry confirmed the treaty flawed but slammed bush's lack of - i guess patience- because he just walked away and didnt even try to negotiate it. All treaties are flawwed in the beginning. plain and simple. Bush has terrible foriegn diplomacy at best.
Thats why its....
10-09-2004, 09:37 AM #15
I still gasp everytime either one of them opens their mouth, especially Bush.
I disagree with just about everything that both of them say, but I could wage their own arguments for them so much better than even they could.
Liberty or death
10-09-2004, 09:48 AM #16
Just a few things to clear up here.......
1) Bush hasn't really helped the economy anymore than he has hurt it. His tax cuts have helped the economy......going to Iraq has not, but thats another issue altogether. Overall, it certainly has been a short reccession with him in office, but don't expect the media to hammer that point.
2) I wish we were in Iraq for oil.......I do. I really, really do. I'm sure we all could go for some discount Iraqi oil about now.....but thats not why we are over there. There was scads of evidence that Saddam was a threat......We would never have found out that the WMD's weren't there if we had not have gone over there, so if Bush hadn't done anything he could very well be facing impeachment charges right now. And the libs would be saying "Do you guys want a president in office who won't make the hard, unpopular decisions to defend this country?" And the answer would be no then, just as it is no now........
3) Bush doesn't speak like a dude off the street so much has he speaks clearly and just eloquently enough to get his point across......unlike the trial lawyer who always has to make sure he can worm his way out of what he said. And the lawyer is a much better speaker, he should be, seeing as his job would require good arguing skills in the first place, and hes not from Texas.........It would be nice if for once if people looked at WHAT was said instead of HOW it was said.
4) I have yet to see an idea of Kerry's that is both good and pheasible. Which leads into my next item.......
5) I have yet to see a Kerry supporter......in real life, or on this board. All I see is the "anyone but Bush mentality" carrying people into Kerry's camp. No one is examining what he is saying, they only think that since hes not saying the same things that Bush is, it must be better. I'm going to quote motoxxxguy because he was right on the money with this one:
"The "Anybody but Bush" idea is rather stupid if you ask me. What if Jesse Jackson was running, would you rahter vote for him over Bush? You would have to be crazy, but that's a whole other arguement."
......its all about which pile of **** stinks less folks. And sometimes people need to realize that even though what we currently have is a pile of **** in some cases, it doesn't smell as bad as whats coming from the dems.
That is all, carry on.
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10-09-2004, 02:58 PM #17Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
Right before the 2nd Pres debate, PBS ran some interviews with the 4 third party Presidential candidates, from the Constitution party, the Greens, the Libertarians, and one other, I forget which one.
The guy from the Constitution party seems to think that American's civil rights come from his god, and that the US government ought to operate more along the lines of his religious beliefs. The Greens and Libertarians were much more reasonable, speaking against the maleficient effect that corporations have on the political system and saying that they needed to be reigned in. Sounds like they agree with my opinion that "if ya ain't breathing, ya don't have civil rights," and instead of treating corporations as people, they ought to have their rights to political speech (including the right to fund politician's campaigns) eliminated.
Something that none of the candidates have mentioned is something that the financial columnist in the local (Dallas) paper has been talking about for the past few years, and that's the 70+ trillion (yes, "T" as in 1000 billion) unfunded obligations the federal government has right now. That's several times the US GNP (gross national product), and unless big changes are made very soon, in a few short decades, the US government is gonna be on the verge of bankruptcy. And none of y'all are gonna like what happens then.
Anyway, it looks like both major parties are gonna spend the US into some nasty debts, and I would imagine we'll be in an interesting time of social/political unrest, and maybe a major depression on top of that. I'd say the only political party able to avert that looming problem would be the Libertarians since they're the only ones in favor of a "pay as you go" economic philosophy, but Americans are too addicted to the current "borrow and spend" philosophy the Republicans have had since Ronald Reagan.
Just a little something to think about . . . forget about Social Security after 2040, forget about Medicare, pension insurance, help with anything from the feds. The US is spending itself into hopeless debt while promising benefits it can't hope to pay . . .
Oh well . . .
10-09-2004, 04:01 PM #18Originally Posted by Tock
These are excellent points, and things that I have wondered about. My dad theorized that within the next 50 years it would happen, that we would be unable to pay the interest on the national debt......thus chaos ensues. If the U.S were to ever get into such a situation where they could no longer back the dollar, would they pull some fradulant accounting and create some dollars out of thin air? I don't know how the system works well enough to know whether or not that would be pheasible, but I doubt it just by instinct.........
Bush has a plan that he has explained for reducing spending, and to reduce the debt by 1/2 in 5 years. I don't know if thats entirely possible.........our trade deficit is only going to increase with time. One of my professors said a few weeks ago that our annual trade deficit is larger than defence, Medicare, and Social Security spending. I don't remember if that was combined or not, but its a problem all the same...... Hes a well informed person so I am inclinded to take his word for it.....and be frightened about it.
I don't know with any certainty (I don't think anyone else does either) whether or not the things we are talking about will come to pass........but its certainly an alarming possiblity.
10-09-2004, 07:52 PM #19Associate Member
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I'm not undecided, but I want Bush out and I don't want Kerry in.
1st debate: Kerry hands-down
2nd debate: Cheney
3rd debate: Bush, barely
The biggest thing that happened was when Bush Broke the debate rules and answered out of turn. He wouldn't let Kerry or Gibson shut him out of a rubuttal. To democrats, that means he is a bully. To repubs and indies, that helps him. His emphasis on the global test is huge. Kerry voted against the first gulf war, and that passed every conceivable global test. Bush has some sort of lumber interest in his tax returns, abut $84 worth. This election is a joke. The news media asks how people can be undecided, but these guys don't differ that much.
10-09-2004, 08:45 PM #20Originally Posted by carbs-rule
10-11-2004, 09:03 AM #21Originally Posted by carbs-rule
1st debate - Kerry (obviously)
2nd debate - Draw both sides made there points, no clear winner
3rd debate - Kerry, barely. Bush's stupidity really hurts hgim when he opens his mouth
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