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    About sanctioned lying

    Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not simply make a provision for forgiveness if one tells a lie; it actually encourages lying in certain situations. This is evident in both the Koran and the Hadith. The latter is a collection of Mohammedís sayings and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Koran, it is the most important part of Islamic law. In the Hadith, Mohammed was quoted as saying, "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with the exception of those spoken to reconcile two men that are quarreling, for a man to appease his wife, and in war, because war necessitates deception." This is what often makes life such a nightmare for non-Muslim women that marry Muslim men. Without the pangs of conscience, men are licensed to appease their wives with promises which they have no intention of keeping. In addition, within Islam there is the principle of "Al Takeyya." The term means, "the prevention". This principle permits Muslims to lie at their discretion whenever they interpret that it is expedient for the influence of Islam or their personal well-being. They justify lying by using the following verse as a springboard for expanded applications of Al Takeyya. "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27) The principle of Al Takeyya is precisely what makes negotiations with Islamic statesmen such a frustrating endeavor for the naÔve diplomats of Christianized nations. It is imperative that diplomatic envoys learn that when dealing with Muslims, what Muslim statesmen say is not the issue. The real issue is, what do they mean and actually intend to do in their hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscle justice
    "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27)
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    [3:28] The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscle justice
    Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not simply make a provision for forgiveness if one tells a lie; it actually encourages lying in certain situations.
    Let us say that during the Holocaust, a Jewish family seeks refuge with a Christian German family.

    A Nazi soldier comes up to the Christian family and says "Do you have any Jewish people here"

    What is the moral thing to do?

    To tell the truth, or to lie. In this situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Let us say that during the Holocaust, a Jewish family seeks refuge with a Christian German family.

    A Nazi soldier comes up to the Christian family and says "Do you have any Jewish people here"

    What is the moral thing to do?

    To tell the truth, or to lie. In this situation?
    the hadith he has quoted by the prophet (pbuh) ,to me he sounded like a guy with no brains , maybe its called just reading what u want to read !

    explanation:

    lie to save a quarrel between two guys , is a lie used to do good .........POINT

    lie told to apease a wife , so her feelings dont get hurt about something or to prevent some misunderstanding between the spouses , is a lie used to do good ............although if the husband lies about somethign that will hurt his wife in the long run then that is a lie ....... so there r different lies we are talkign about here under different circumstances ........ POINT 2

    lie told in war , is not a new thing ! cause only fools are truthful while fighting an enemy , like they say all is fair in LOVE N WAR ................ POINT 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Let us say that during the Holocaust, a Jewish family seeks refuge with a Christian German family.

    A Nazi soldier comes up to the Christian family and says "Do you have any Jewish people here"

    What is the moral thing to do?

    To tell the truth, or to lie. In this situation?

    what about an example less extreme......your mother and father are criminals but remember "though shall honor thy mother and father"......what do you do?? go against god or side with the government and turn them in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    Let us say that during the Holocaust, a Jewish family seeks refuge with a Christian German family.

    A Nazi soldier comes up to the Christian family and says "Do you have any Jewish people here"

    What is the moral thing to do?

    To tell the truth, or to lie. In this situation?
    Ive been talking with my pastor and some others about this very thing. If you know or read Joshua 2:1-21 and Joshua 5:22-25 about the two spies of Rahab in the city of Jericho, it comes up. My pastor's basic answer was No, it is not ok to lie, but sometimes God uses even our sinfulness to achieve His plan. All of my christian friends Ive talked to about this, including myself and my pastor, would have lied to save the Jewish family. Is it a sin...yea I guess. In this scenario, is it wrong? What would God rather? I dont know.

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