Thread: Round 3 looks like a tie
10-13-2004, 08:45 PM #1
Round 3 looks like a tie
To be honest, it just seemed like both candidates sucked tonight, I don't know why that was......mabye its just me. Both seemed like they dodged questions more than usual, mabye its just because I had already heard everything they had said, except for the jokes at the end. It was nothing new, there was no reason for me to tune in tonght, I should have done my Information Systems homework.....which I'll do now instead
Anyway, I thought it was a draw. Kerry didn't talk as well as he usually did, but at least he didn't refer me to his website again. Maybe he should have quoted the Post a few more times, to go with those unnamed new networks he quoted , then Bush could havce quoted Fox News and it would have been even.......Bush should have just directly answered the question about the Roe v. Wade decision, but then again Kerry never did answer his question about where he was going to get all this money for health care.....I could go on and on, but its nothing new, they both suck. Where is Ross Perot when you need him?
10-13-2004, 09:04 PM #2
I though Kerry did very well. Bush totally sucked ass.
10-13-2004, 09:07 PM #3
News is on.. 18% gave the win to Bush. 82% went to Kerry.. mind you that's local.
10-13-2004, 09:07 PM #4Originally Posted by BigMike J
Why is that, if I might ask?
10-13-2004, 09:15 PM #5
To me bush seemed overly enthusiastic as if he was trying to sell something. I basically just repeated the same **** he's been saying same **** he has been saying.
10-13-2004, 09:19 PM #6Originally Posted by BigMike J
So what was said CONTENT wise that made you think Bush sucked? They both basically repeated themselves, thats what I already posted, but what do you think Kerry did? Repeated the same **** he has been saying the whole time......
10-13-2004, 09:20 PM #7
I was actually trying to remain unbiased but everytime bush would say something it just seemed like bull****.
10-13-2004, 09:22 PM #8Originally Posted by BigMike J
I can understand trying to stay unbiased, which is why I was suprised that you straight up bashed Bush and said Kerry did great........to be honest I thought they both sucked. So you just thought everything Bush was saying seemed like B.S huh? Fair enough, but what was it that he said that seemed like B.S?
10-13-2004, 09:23 PM #9Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
10-13-2004, 09:29 PM #10
**** i admit. I do not like bush. Everything out of his mouth seemed like crap. I am a biased sob. I can't help it. I can't even remember a specific thing that was said. Like you said urban they did repeat themselves.
10-13-2004, 09:59 PM #11Originally Posted by BigMike J
Its alright, so is most of America, in one way or another......just try to get a little more enlightened before you go vote so you can make an informed decision.
10-13-2004, 10:02 PM #12Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
10-13-2004, 10:03 PM #13
Based on substance, Kerry won. Americans tend to vote according to their gut (better known as "emotion") so, on that basis, it will be seen as a tie.
Neither candidate said anything about the upcoming economic financial crisis when baby boomers start collecting on SS/medicare benefits, and the $$$ runs out, leaving trillions of $$$ in unfunded SS obligations. The Sxxx will really hit the fan then, when boomers want their benefits, and there ain't no money to pay for 'em. Instead, all that money went to pay for Bush's tax cuts and and the military.
It will be fun to watch the fireworks when it happens . . . voters will probably run both dems and repubs out of office and vote in someone else. No telling who . . .
10-13-2004, 10:19 PM #14Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
I think we are talking about two different kinds of "enlightenment. " You're one of those pot smoking hippies aren't you?
Kerry isn't going to legalize it bro, you havfe a better chance with Bush on that one
Last edited by UrbanLegend; 10-13-2004 at 10:21 PM.
10-13-2004, 10:21 PM #15
I saw a documentary on Bush. And his buddy Carl Rove is an intelligent campaginer. It is amazing how he molded George Bush into what he is today. George Bush didnt want to run for Governor of Texas against that old lady, because he felt he would loose.
But Carl Rove did some demographical analysis, and figured he could win. And with his agressive tactics of totally destroying her character.
Then against McCain a Vietnam war hero, the George Bush Campaign who was fighting for the Republican nomination, ripped apart McCain's character.
At one point during a Bush campaign, there was a Vietnam Vet who called McCain a coward who left behind his comrades in Vietnam, etc etc.
Not to mention they did other dirty tactics against McCain, all thanks to Carl Rove.
I cant believe McCain is supporting Bush, does he not have respect for himself?
Anyway Carl Rove is a campaigner that uses dirty tactics, and will do anything to win.
So I really dont see how Bush will loose.
Because they will do something dirty if they realize Kerry will win. Like broadcast the anti-Kerry documentary by the Sinclair cooperation.
10-13-2004, 10:25 PM #16Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Well, this post gets my official for the thread.
You watched a documentary on Bush, and you think you got a fair and balenced perception on him then, but the Kerry one was OBVIOSLY propoganda?
You act as though Bush is not ragged on by musical artists hired by the dems, paid protestors, an elite media the rags on Bush 24/7 no matter what. You act as though Bush's campaign manager is so dirty, but what has he done thats been so dirty? NOTHING. THe dems havfe spent more money on mudslinging ads than the republicans, but you are just so used to seeing liberal propoganda as its all that the media presents practivally that you didn't recognize it.
Bush very well can loose, there is a good chance of it. There is also a very good change he might win. I really think its 50/50 at this point.......
10-13-2004, 10:57 PM #17Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
Everything is propoganda anyways.
Plus I want Bush to win, I wish he wins.
Kerry has more Zionist influence than Bush. Bush was the first president to talk about a 2 state solution in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
And Bush's state department have been very supportive of the Chechans.
I seriously hope Bush wins. But I am telling you like it is.
Carl Rove has alot to do with Bush's success.
10-13-2004, 11:03 PM #18
I though it was pretty fair, kerry may have come out on top. The comment about rumsfelds daughter was a blow way belowe the belt, thought kerry had some charecter
10-14-2004, 12:19 AM #19Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Well, in that case I take back that part of my post.
10-14-2004, 07:45 AM #20
I think Bush fumbled over a lot of statistics her threw out not really knowing what they meant. He didnt respond well to Kerry's rebuttles whe it came to his senate record. He tried to hammer home that kerry voted for tax increases 98 times, kerry shut him uo and made bush visibly flustered when he said he voted to cut taxes over 600 times. I think that had to do with the fact that bush didnt have that written down so he didnt know how to respond.
10-14-2004, 09:20 AM #21Originally Posted by HULK1732
It was Cheney's daughter, BTW . . . some folks seem to think it was improper for Kerry to mention that his daughter is a lesbian. Dunno why; she's involved in the gay community as an activist, has been stumping for Bush in the gay community, so her orientation is no secret. And being gay is no big deal (at least in civilized parts of the US), so I don't see what the fuss is all about.
10-14-2004, 09:43 AM #22Originally Posted by Tock
"Now, you know, I did have a chance to assess John Kerry once more and now the only thing I could conclude: This is not a good man," she said.
"Of course, I am speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick." Lynne Cheney
Her Mother seems pretty upset about it.
10-14-2004, 09:56 AM #23
yea but dick cheney thanked edwards after their debate for his kinds words about his family (referring to his comments on his daughters sexual orientation). So maybe Lynne is just using this as political furvor?
10-14-2004, 10:02 AM #24
Well, if Mrs Cheney is uncomfortable with her daughter being a lesbian, that is her problem. Truth is, Mary Cheney is not only campaigning for Republican votes in the gay community, but she's also making $$$ by being the representative for the Coors Beer Company to the gay community.
Now, if Kerry had said something like, "Ha ha, caught you trying to hide a lesbo in your family," that would have been sleazy. But it's news to nobody that they have a lesbian daughter. Geez, Alan Keyes (candidate for Senator in Illinois) said:
NEW YORK (AP) - Illinois Republican Senate candidate Alan Keyes labeled homosexuality "selfish hedonism" and said Vice President Dick Cheney (website - news - bio) 's lesbian daughter is a sinner.
The former talk show host who has made two unsuccessful runs for the White House made the comments Monday night in an interview with Sirius OutQ, a satellite radio station that provides programming aimed at gays and lesbians.
After saying homosexuality is "selfish hedonism," Keyes was asked if that made Mary Cheney "a selfish hedonist."
"Of course she is," Keyes replied. "That goes by definition."
Liz Cheney, Mary's sister, refused to comment Wednesday during an interview on CNN.
"I guess I'm surprised, frankly, that you would even repeat the quote, and I'm not going to dignify it with a comment," she told the interviewer.
Now, if I was Liz Cheney, I'd complain about that remark a heckuva lot quicker and louder than the compliment Kerry gave the Vice President about his family.
Sounds like Liz Cheney is either embarrased by her daughter's homosexuality or she's being a bit of a hypocrite here. Either way, she needs to get over herself . . .
10-14-2004, 01:18 PM #25Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
10-14-2004, 01:31 PM #26Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
10-14-2004, 03:02 PM #27
Wow. First of all how many of you thought that there was enough information for these two to talk about in three debates. Maybe thats why they sound like there repeating themselves. Secondly, I do agree that Bush has repeated himself but at least it has been the same responses. I cant say that for Kerry. He has repeatly contrdicted himself in all three debates. If you need me to name them I will. If you look at what both canidates have to offer I dont even see a comparison. Bush will run the country better than Kerry. America is a strong country & needs a strong leader that is consistant. Poeple are creatures of habit that is why Kerry's past record is relavent today. If he could not take a stance on anything in the past what makes you think he will in the future. Im sure I could go on and on but I have to end some where. Just make an educated vote it doesnt hurt to do some research on your own, you dont need the news or unbiased polls to make your decision. Isnt it great to live in a democracy where we can vote on differences we have unlike many countries under suppression.
10-14-2004, 03:02 PM #28Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
Just to clairify: Yes, I was joking.
That is all......
10-14-2004, 08:40 PM #29Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
Alright. Good to know for sure which it was.
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