10-17-2004, 06:23 PM #1
Something todays politicans should keep in mind
Abraham Lincoln writes, "Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes... A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
10-17-2004, 09:06 PM #2
Americans typically don't learn much from history. We generally ignore warning signs and deal with problems when they become crises.
Unfortunately, things are made worse as more and more people retreat from technology and complexity to tradition and simple (but ineffective) solutions.
Given American's lack of understanding on most things (lots of us still beleive that the sun orbits the Earth, and can't find our own country on a world map), when election time comes around, we vote for crazy politicians who are at the mercy of rich corporations and churches . . .
So . . . don't hold your expectations too high for the US. I'm pretty sure our finest days are behind us.
10-18-2004, 11:23 AM #3Originally Posted by Tock
We're screwed.......If bush gets reelected I see WWIII before the end of his term.......war after war after war.......he loves it.
10-18-2004, 02:12 PM #4Originally Posted by Badgerman
If Bush wins re-election, I predict things in general will get really awful, and Hillary Clinton will run for President in 2008 and win in a landslide. If Kerry wins in November, we'll have another Republican in 2008, then another Democrat after that.
The US is in for some very tough economic times . . . when the Baby Boomers start to demand their Social Security benefits and discover that all that $$$ they've paid in to the system has already been spent, and when taxpayers discover that they've got to pay heavier and heavier taxes just to make good on promises made in years gone by, and realize that both parties have spent the government into oblivion, ya, there's gonna be a lot of unhappy campers. Expect to see your taxes double over the next decade or two--and that's excluding the price tag of another useless war.
Reminds me . . . Early in 2003, right after the start of the Iraq war, the top budget guy in the Bush administration (I forget his name, but it begins with an L) said the war was going to cost between $100 billion and $200 billion. Bush promised it wouldn't cost more than $40 billion. The budget guy disagreed, and was then fired.
Look who's face the egg is on now . . .
1083 Americans killed
28,000 Americans wounded
27,000 Iraqis (mostly civilians) killed
lots more Iraqis wounded
. . . and now Iraq is a rats-nest of terrorism, which it wasn't in Nov 2001. Now the US is one of the most hated nations on the planet thanks to Bush's foreign policy, the opposite of what it was under the Clinton administration.
10-18-2004, 02:19 PM #5Originally Posted by Tock
But is voting for Kerry going to fix any of these problems? Do you really think Kerry has some great plan to get us out of Iraq? His plan is nearly the same as Bush's until it becomes a lot of big promises he can't fulfill............
I don't think there will be any more useless wars, because just as presidents have learned from the Vietnam era, so will they learn from Iraq about how to go about acting on inteligence.
10-18-2004, 03:39 PM #6
No, it probably won't make much difference, other than Kerry and the Democrats would be much more likely to establish warm connections with other countries. Pretty much, the Republicans want the US to get out of the UN, and would be tickled to burn it down in the process. Democrats generally know that the US has to work together with other nations.
But since I'm languishing here in the great state of Texas, and it's a foregone conclusion that it's going to go for Bush anyway, I'm gonna vote for the Libertarian guy. They're as close to being as fiscally conservative and socially liberal as I like, and they've got some good positions on corporations and individual responsiblilty, so ya, that's how I'm voting . . . not that it'll do much good, but nevertheless, ya gotta do what ya gotta do . . .
10-18-2004, 03:42 PM #7Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
I dunno about that . . .
The US economy is woefully dependant on imported oil, and if the Arabs won't sell us as much as we need, Bush is gonna find an excuse to invade and take control of their oil fields. Pretty much, the government does what the big corporations tell 'em to do.
So . . . if Bush is re-elected and the US doesn't get enough oil, you can bet that we'll find a reason to invade Iran.
10-18-2004, 07:58 PM #8Originally Posted by Tock
That sounds plausible, but until I start seeing some discount-Iraqi oil I'm not buying into these conspiracy theories.
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