11-11-2004, 11:54 PM #1
Moore Is Releasing The Second Movie!!
I just saw on my college news that Michael More is already started work on a new movie Farenheight 9/11 and a half!! He sais it will cover more anti bush stuff he missed out on the last movie and he will have a totally new story about things Bush did in this election!
I personally am not a Moore hater or lover because i dont really care and i dont get offended if he makes bush look bad because i am not related to bush, dont know him personally, am totally uninfluenced by his actions or decisions, and vasically i dont care like i mentioned ..........
But wat impresses me is that regardless of all the people that hate Moore and try to take him down..his last movie still hit records when it came to box office and money in total....and Moore surely made a great chunk of money that makes P'diddy look like a street beggar. And whats funny is that as much as people hate on his second movie and discourage seeing it and say whatever they want about it......i bet u anything its gonna be another box office hit that will make Moore even richer and richer!!
So at teh end of the day:
Michael Moore net worth : $350million +
Geaorge W Bush : $20 million+
Regular Joe that hates on Moore: $19,000-$35,000 a year
Who's the real winner? is there even a winner? thsi isnt even a game? i need to go to sleep..goodnight
11-11-2004, 11:57 PM #2
Here's the story:
Moore set to shoot 'Fahrenheit' sequel
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Michael Moore plans a follow-up to "Fahrenheit 9/11," his hit documentary that assails President Bush over the handling of the Sept. 11 attacks and the war on terrorism, according to a Hollywood trade paper.
Moore told Daily Variety that he and Harvey Weinstein, the Miramax boss who produced the film, hope to have "Fahrenheit 9/11 1/2" ready in two to three years.
"Fifty-one percent of the American people lacked information (in this election) and we want to educate and enlighten them," Moore was quoted in Thursday's edition of Variety. "They weren't told the truth. We're communicators and it's up to us to start doing it now."
A spokesman for Fellowship Adventure Group, formed by Weinstein and brother Bob to help distribute "Fahrenheit 9/11," did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
"Fahrenheit 9/11," which won top honors at May's Cannes Film Festival, became the first documentary to top $100 million at the domestic box office. Moore, who won the documentary Academy Award for "Bowling for Columbine," is pushing "Fahrenheit 9/11" in the best-picture category for the upcoming Oscars.
The issues for the follow-up film will remain the same, Iraq and terrorism, Moore said.
"The official mourning period is over today and there is a silver lining: George W. Bush is prohibited by law from running again," Moore said.
11-12-2004, 12:17 AM #3
Gag me. As a Kerry Voter, and someone who isn't too keen on B*sh, I have to say...
Give it a rest, fat boy. You are not helping things.
11-12-2004, 12:20 AM #4
I've seen all of Moores documentaries... and I agree with his views. I know he takes a lot of heat, because basically he is anti-capitalism. I'm not a big fan of capitalism, I can relate to Karl Marx's 'conflict theory' almost perfectly, but I understand why he's hated on so much. When somebody critisized your way of life, people get offended.
... and that's why he is the anti-Bush... because Bush is basically in my eyes a poster boy for capitalism, corporations and greed and Moore is the opposing side. THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO QUESTION THE 'OTHER SIDE' because it could lead to change.
What change is the worst thing that can happen to the USA? a revolution... a government and the people who are financially in the upper end of the country don't want to lose their grip on the countries resources.
And people do make a good point about how Moore is rich. Yes he is rich because people want to know what he has to say... they see his movies and with all the anti moore stuff out there, it's just more and more advertisement for him. A roman emporer (ceaser ?) used to eat what his people ate and sleep where his people sleep... so if Moore believes what he's saying than why doesn't he give his profits to the lower class and live in a middle class home instead of an expensive new york condo?
Well, I know if I suddenly struck it rich, I wouldn't be giving my money away... money is everything in capitalist societies... it means your quality of life goes up, you health is better, you kids get to go to college, you get to **** the hottest escorts... there's just too many perks, but I understand why people see him as some what of a hypocrite in this regard.
Originally Posted by KAEW44
11-12-2004, 12:27 AM #5
Moore has actually given away a third of his earnings to charity each of the past 4 years.
11-12-2004, 12:33 AM #6Originally Posted by Aboot
BTW, I hear the new movie will have a scene where Bush is taking it up the a$$ from Cheney.
11-12-2004, 12:45 AM #7Originally Posted by dean1233
i wish u had told me that a few minutes earlier before i accepted credit card charges to see it on a porn site.
11-12-2004, 09:39 AM #8Originally Posted by dean1233
This figures a little too much.
As for Moore's film, the guy must realize that he isn't exactly persuading people to believe his point of view by putting out BS. He had to take F 9-11 out of the documentary category because there were so many factual holes in it.......and if this movie follows that suit, it will be hard for Moore to have credibility with most Americans. The man who bragged his movie would help get Kerry elected probably convinced more people to vote the other way when they saw the BS he was trying to pass off as fact.
11-12-2004, 09:49 AM #9Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
The majority of people who voted for Bush, didn't even see his movie. If they did, the movie would have grossed way more than it did and Moore would be even more rich.
11-12-2004, 09:54 AM #10Originally Posted by KAEW44
11-12-2004, 09:59 AM #11Originally Posted by dean1233
No. I'm not talking about the liberal BS that the government controled media in Canada shows you, I'm talking about the facts:
-Moore's movie had numerous factual flaws in it
-Documentaries are based on fact
-Moore took his movie out of the documentary category for it to run for "best picture." The reality is, he could have submited it to both, but it did not fit the definition of a documentary, so he couldn't. He instead played it off by saying "I just want more people to be able to see the movie, I don't want ANOTHER documentary Oscar." Yeah, I'm sure the Lakers lost because they didn't want YET ANOTHER NBA champtionship.
So what does that tell you?
As for assuming Bush supporters did not see the movie
11-12-2004, 10:04 AM #12Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
If 59 million Bush supporters saw F911, the movie would have been bigger than Titanic. Probably only about 5% even saw his movie.
11-12-2004, 10:13 AM #13Originally Posted by dean1233
Moore would never "say" that was the reason, here are the REASONS why though:
all the mass media sources shot down its ligitimacy a while back, even liberally biased ones like the BBC and MSN.
just to cite a few.
You are also assuming people support Bush because thtey DIDN'T see this movie. I'm telling you right now that many Bush supporters did see that movie.
11-12-2004, 10:28 AM #14Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
You simply posted right wing rebuttals...
Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
11-12-2004, 10:29 AM #15
Here are a few links that debunk Michael Moore’s film
The last is my favorite,
The family of U.S. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone was shocked to learn that video footage of the major's Arlington National Cemetery burial was included by Michael Moore in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11."
Stone was killed in March 2003 by a grenade that officials said was thrown into his tent by Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar, who is on trial for murder.
It's been a big shock, and we are not very happy about it, to say the least," Kandi Gallagher, Stone's aunt and family spokeswoman, tells Washington Times reporter Audrey Hudson.
We are furious that Greg was in that casket and cannot defend himself, and my sister, Greg's mother, is just beside herself," Gallagher said. "She is furious. She called him a 'maggot that eats off the dead.'"
11-12-2004, 10:32 AM #16Originally Posted by Bigen12
11-12-2004, 10:37 AM #17Originally Posted by dean1233
That being said, back to the game:
With a Domestic Gross of 120 million, we can safely assume that an average ticket price of 7.50 (which accounts for higher prices of 10+ bucks a ticket and lower, matinee prices) means that approximately 16 million people saw the movie in theatres (approximately 15% of the American public). If you wager that 5% of bush voters saw the film, that means that about 2.8 million saw the film. That leaves 13 million or so that saw the film that were NOT bush supporters. This leads us to believe, again, using your supposition, that of these 13 million, they were all either supporters of Kerry or someone OTHER than bush. Let's assume that each and every single one was a kerry supporter. This means that, even using *extremely* generous numbers (and I do mean EXTREMELY) that approximately 22% of Kerry supporters saw the film.
Now, I can conceded that this analysis does NOT allow for DVD/video sales and viewings. There, is however, little reason to suspect that for a film of this nature, DVD demographics will very wildly from the box office receipts and, in fact, as many analysts contend was the situation with "The Passion", more of the DVD/video viewings can be attributed to those LEAST likely to see it in theatres, as they desire to form an opinion, but in doing so hope to patronize that which conflicts with their beliefs as little as possible. But, we'll ignore that since it's only (very well informed) speculation and stick to actual numbers at the box office that we can play with.
Working on that analysis, less than a quarter of Kerry supporters saw the film. Even if we conveniently ignore the fact that a good chunk of the viewers on both sides were ideologues who would not have their vote swayed one way or the other by seeing it, the film did not have nearly the positive effect on Kerry as many liberals like to believe. If the film did have a mobilizing effect to any degree, I'd wager a small fortune that all it did was infuriate several Bush supporters, who (ignorantly I might add) viewed the film as an extremist attack on our country. There is no doubt that F-911 did more in the short term for Bush than for Kerry.
As a sidenote, I believe Roger and Me and Bowling for Columbine were, largely, sincere and genuine documentaries with an admirable message. I am a HUGE supporter of Moore and his message in many regards, but hubris was the word of the day regarding the production of F-911. I was disgusted by the film, not for its message, but for the manner in which it attempted to convey it. Moore lost a good deal of credibility in my eyes with the way he went about that, which is unfortunate, as I believe the underlying message was sound and, what is more, wanted desperately to believe he'd handle it with the same intelligence and deliberateness as he did with his other films, particularly Roger and Me.
All of that being said, do sincerely keep up your fervor and "fight the good fight" whatever you believe that fight to be, but realize when you appeal to uninformed extremes and baseless opinions as a preferred method of doing so, you diminish you cause as opposed to enhancing it. But, like I said, we all go through that phase as we're attempting to find our voice in the world, so don't construe it as my viewing you as unintilligent or uninformed, you're just not all the way "there" yet.
11-12-2004, 10:39 AM #18Originally Posted by dean1233
Did you even look at the links?
They aren’t from Conspiracy Theory sites.
If you don't mind me asking,
How old are you?
11-12-2004, 10:51 AM #19Originally Posted by dean1233
Michael Moore pulled it. I'm showing you why he had to. I showed you why. Do you honestly think the guy "doesn't want another Oscar" as hes saying? Look at the motivations.
11-12-2004, 10:52 AM #20Originally Posted by BigGreen
Good post, good analysis. Shows that not everyone who likes Moore is incapable of thinking.
btw - Thats a joke, I honstly don't think most people who like Moore are idiots........
Last edited by UrbanLegend; 11-12-2004 at 10:54 AM.
11-12-2004, 02:59 PM #21Junior Member
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moore is a fat, stupid man. let him make his movies. fahrenheit 911 didnt help his cause to get Bush out of office! Kerry lost by 3.5 million votes. If Moore hates it here so much he should leave. Bush is a grat president, even if you dont agree with his views, you should support the president of the US no matter who it is.
11-12-2004, 03:39 PM #22Originally Posted by bigvlad
11-12-2004, 03:57 PM #23Originally Posted by bigvlad
11-12-2004, 05:00 PM #24Originally Posted by bigvlad
As a dem, I called Clinton out on his sh*t while he was in office, and I'll do the same with George. Though I hate to compare those two men in the same sentance, as one is a philandering pussy, and the other is a warmongering prick with the intelligence of a toad.
11-12-2004, 05:15 PM #25
So when is the civil war in the states, sure lot of the other 6 billions people will cheer seing this!
11-12-2004, 05:21 PM #26Originally Posted by rocco78
11-12-2004, 10:06 PM #27
i dont know about the whole pulling the movie or not pulling it for documentary, but i do know that his movie f-9/11 has over 59 lies in it and he knows it, i have stated this numerous times, and have posted the lies on this site numerous times.
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