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    Dollar in Danger......economic terror

    November 16, 2004

    The Coming Currency Shock

    Declining Superpower Act

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

    China's currency peg to the US dollar prevents correction of the US trade imbalace and imperils the US dollar's role as reserve currency.

    In the post World War II period, the dollar took over the reserve currency role from the British pound, because the supremacy of US manufacturing guaranteed US trade surpluses. The British pound lost its role due to debts of two world wars, loss of empire, a run down industrial base, and socialist attack on UK business.

    The reserve currency conveys unique advantages on the favored country. As the reserve currency, the US dollar is guaranteed a high level of demand. Foreign central banks hold their reserves in dollars, and countries are billed in dollars for their oil imports, which requires other countries to buy dollars with their currencies.

    As a reserve currency fulfills world needs in addition to the functions of a domestic currency, the favored country can hemorrhage debt for a protracted period on a scale that would promptly wreck any other country's currency.

    This advantage is a two-edged sword, because it permits the reserve country to behave irresponsibly by running large trade and budget deficits. When the tide turns against the reserve currency, its exchange value collapses.

    The reason for the collapse is the huge stock of reserve currency held by foreigners. When other countries conclude that their hoards of dollars represent claims that the US cannot meet, dollar dumping begins. Financing for US debt dries up; interest rates rise; imported goods become unaffordable and living standards fall.

    Flight from the dollar is already underway. During the past two years, the US dollar has declined 52% against the new European currency, the Euro. This decline is striking in view of the sluggish European economy and the fact that many analysts regard the Euro as merely a political currency.

    Indeed, the dollar is declining against all currencies that have any international standing: the British pound, the Canadian dollar, the Australian dollar, and even against the Japanese yen despite Tokyo's intervention to support the dollar.

    Overcome by hubris and superpower delusion, US policymakers are unaware of America's peril. Economists and pundits are equally in the dark.

    Economists believe that decline in the dollar's exchange value will correct the US trade deficit by reducing imports and increasing exports. Once upon a time a case could be argued for this logic. But that was a time before US corporations took to outsourcing jobs and locating production for US markets offshore.

    US imports of goods and services rise each time a US factory moves offshore or a US job is outsourced. Goods and services produced offshore by US corporations for US customers count as imports and worsen the trade deficit. The US cannot reduce its trade deficit by increasing sales to China of goods made by US firms in China. As Charles McMillion, president of MBG Information Services, concisely summarizes: "Outsourcing is export substitution."

    It is amazing that US policymakers and economists do not understand that dollar devaluation is meaningless as long as China keeps its currency pegged to the dollar.

    America's greatest trade imbalance is with China. In 2000 the US merchandise trade deficit with China became larger than the chronic US trade deficit with Japan. By 2003 the US trade deficit with China was almost twice as large as the US deficit with Japan: $124 billion versus $66 billion. This year the US trade deficit with China is expected to be $160, a 29% increase from last year.

    This imbalance cannot be corrected as long as China maintains the peg. As the dollar falls against the Euro and other currencies, the Chinese currency falls with it, thus maintaining China's advantage over US goods in world markets.

    Both the Clinton and Bush administrations are guilty of permitting China to maintain a grossly undervalued currency that sucks productive capacity out of the US. The combination of cheap Chinese labor and an undervalued currency are destroying US middle class living standards.

    As America's industrial base erodes, so does its competitiveness and ability to close its trade deficit through exports.

    Currency markets cannot correct the undervalued Chinese currency, because China does not permit its currency to be traded and there are insufficient stocks of Chinese currency in foreign hands with which to form a currency market.

    Sooner or later the peg will come to an end--perhaps when China fulfills its WTO obligation to let its currency float. When the peg ends, it will deliver a severe shock to US living standards. Suddenly, Chinese manufactured goods--including advanced technology products--on which the US is now dependent will cost much more. Overnight, shopping at Wal-Mart will be like shopping in high-end department stores.

    China accounts for a quarter of the US trade deficit and for one-third of the US deficit in manufactured goods, is the second largest source of US imports after Canada, and is America's third largest trading partner as conventionally measured. Despite these facts, the US government does not publish full current account data for China, instead lumping China in with "Other Countries in Asia and Africa." This keeps the magnitude of the problem out of sight.

    Canada and Mexico rank as the US's two largest "trading partners" because of double counting in the measure of imports and exports. For example, the full value of auto bodies shipped across the borders to Canada and Mexico for assembly operations are counted as "exports" when they leave the US and as "imports" when they return.

    In contrast US "trade" with China involves almost no double counting of component parts.

    Recently, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company declared its intention to close all US plants and to manufacture offshore for US markets. Each time the US loses an industry, America's export potential declines and America's imports rise. This scenario guarantees a rising trade deficit and the end of the dollar's reserve currency role.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy during 1981-82.

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    Ain't got a problem with that personally... it's part of the reason the Canadian Dollar is at a 20 year high VS the US Dollar now... heck 83 cents on the US dollar, haven't seen that since I was a teen!

    And with the current US border conditions, your government insures that we won't come spend our money in the US, and the folks in the white house scare investors so the cash stays here.

    Not a very good deal for the US in general and a death blow to border-towns that depended on Canadian tourism and cross-border shopping to live, but great deal for our economy.

    As for the "double counting" part of the reason is NAFTA customs exemptions...

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    Finally something I agree with. This is just going to get worse and worse. I posted on this months ago along the Chinese are no floating their currency and we are doing nothing about it. This along with the fact that OPEC nations are trying to all come together to use the dinar abandoning the US dollar. This nation will see an economic downfall the likes of the great depression.

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    I think Putin is pushing for oil sales to be done in euros.......that would spell trouble.......similar to using the dinar

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    No, no, no! Ok... economics lesson...
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    1) exchange rates are tied more than ANYTHING to interest rates - something not even mentioned in that article. A rise in interest rates relative to those in other countries will tend to result in an increase in the amount of funds flowing in to that country. Higher interest rates mean a higher return on investment. A decline in interest rates will do just the opposite (as we've seen in the US).
    2) a weak dollar IS good for US companies that sell abroad, regardless of what the article above says. Look at Proctor and Gamble (PG) - a stock that I own - and see what it has done since 2001 while the US stock market has tanked, and interest rates began to decline. It has almost doubled in value.
    3) For you canadians, take a look at when your currency began to increase in value against the american dollar. It was in early-mid 2002 when Canada began increasing interest rates.
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    As the US economy begans to heat up, interest rates will go up and the dollar will get stronger (NOT NECESSARILY GOOD FOR THE US ECONOMY). Dont equate stronger with better when it comes to foreign exchange values!

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    You obviously didn't read the article very closely.......

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    yes what we will see is the global abandonment of the dollar.Some people think America is above that. Don't count on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    yes what we will see is the global abandonment of the dollar.Some people think America is above that. Don't count on it.
    I agree......other countries are trying to reduce our economic power. The only way to combat that is to have a strong domestic economy. You know the multinationals don't give a hoot about american workers. Keep our manufacturing jobs here......otherwise we'll all be flippin burgers.

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    i'm happy the canaidain dollar is goin up, and its about time

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    Badger this goes hand in hand with our policy of babysitting the world. All foreign aid should cease period until we get our economic feet on the ground.

    We need to mind our own business in EVERY aspect . The powers that be are afraid that if we quit giving handouts and isolate ourselves we will be sitting ducks for the rest of the world. I see it the other way, if we stretch ourselves too thin and weaken ecomonically we are in bigger trouble. Then all we will be is a war machine. Nothing good can come of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Badger this goes hand in hand with our policy of babysitting the world. All foreign aid should cease period until we get our economic feet on the ground.

    We need to mind our own business in EVERY aspect . The powers that be are afraid that if we quit giving handouts and isolate ourselves we will be sitting ducks for the rest of the world. I see it the other way, if we stretch ourselves too thin and weaken ecomonically we are in bigger trouble. Then all we will be is a war machine. Nothing good can come of that.
    Agreed........

    and by the way......I apologize for the personal attacks the other day.....
    forgive me for being rude

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    Me as well I have had a full week of acting like a jackass on and off the board, my apologies. I'm hormonal!lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Agreed........

    and by the way......I apologize for the personal attacks the other day.....
    forgive me for being rude

    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Me as well I have had a full week of acting like a jackass on and off the board, my apologies. I'm hormonal!lol
    Ok, Ok,

    Ya’ll wait until I leave the room, and then you kiss and make up, this is getting gay……

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Ok, Ok,

    Ya’ll wait until I leave the room, and then you kiss and make up, this is getting gay……



    THANK YOU. I WIN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigen12
    Ok, Ok,

    Ya’ll wait until I leave the room, and then you kiss and make up, this is getting gay……
    hahahahaha i concur, you guys play grab ass later. back to the subject

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    I'm afraid China is going to be the next economic powerhouse........we're already scared of them......notice there isn't much discussion about their human rights abuses anymore

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    Did you see the 2 hour special on Walmart on CNBC this week?

    They had a long segment on the new stores opening in China... the volume of merchandise they move there is unreal and they say stores are popping up like mushrooms. There is a BIG market there.

    If only wallymart sold American made products you guys would be set for life... but unfortunately most of the stuff wallyworld sells comes from china and the asian sweatshops.

    China isn't "going to be" the next powerhouse... it's well on it's way there...

    Red

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    The problem is most of the stuff from china kinda sucks......especially tools......pieces of sh**.....but people keep buying the crap cause it's cheap

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    Yes all of this makes one wonder exactly where Americas place will be in the near future. We all can't be service industry workers by any means. What will we do for work?

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    Somehow we need to revitalize the industrial and natural resource base. Hopefully Bush's revamping of the tax system will encourage domestic industry. I'm all for using natural resources wisely with protection of the environment.......

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