Thread: This is wierd stuff.....scary
01-16-2005, 09:02 PM #1
This is wierd stuff.....scary
Journalist: U.S. planning for possible attack on Iran
White House says report is 'riddled with inaccuracies'
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has been carrying out secret reconnaissance missions to learn about nuclear, chemical and missile sites in Iran in preparation for possible airstrikes there, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.
The effort has been under way at least since last summer, Hersh said on CNN's "Late Edition."
In an interview on the same program, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett said the story was "riddled with inaccuracies."
"I don't believe that some of the conclusions he's drawing are based on fact," Bartlett said.
Iran has refused to dismantle its nuclear program, which it insists is legal and is intended solely for civilian purposes. (Full story)
Hersh said U.S. officials were involved in "extensive planning" for a possible attack -- "much more than we know."
"The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids," he wrote in "The New Yorker" magazine, which published his article in editions that will be on newsstands Monday.
Hersh is a veteran journalist who was the first to write about many details of the abuses of prisoners Abu Ghraib in Baghdad.
He said his information on Iran came from "inside" sources who divulged it in the hope that publicity would force the administration to reconsider.
"I think that's one of the reasons some of the people on the inside talk to me," he said.
Hersh said the government did not answer his request for a response before the story's publication, and that his sources include people in government whose information has been reliable in the past.
Hersh said Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld view Bush's re-election as "a mandate to continue the war on terrorism," despite problems with the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
Last week, the effort to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- the Bush administration's stated primary rationale for the war -- was halted after having come up empty.
The secret missions in Iran, Hersh said, have been authorized in order to prevent similar embarrassment in the event of military action there. (Full story)
"The planning for Iran is going ahead even though Iraq is a mess," Hersh said. "I think they really think there's a chance to do something in Iran, perhaps by summer, to get the intelligence on the sites."
He added, "The guys on the inside really want to do this."
Hersh identified those inside people as the "neoconservative" civilian leadership in the Pentagon. That includes Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith -- "the sort of war hawks that we talk about in connection with the war in Iraq."
And he said the preparation goes beyond contingency planning and includes detailed plans for air attacks:
"The next step is Iran. It's definitely there. They're definitely planning ... But they need the intelligence first."
Emphasizing 'diplomatic initiatives'
Bartlett said the United States is working with its European allies to help persuade Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons.
Asked if military action is an option should diplomacy fail, Bartlett said, "No president at any juncture in history has ever taken military options off the table."
But Bush "has shown that he believes we can emphasize the diplomatic initiatives that are under way right now," he said.
Hersh said U.S. officials believe that a U.S. attack on Iran might provoke an uprising by Iranians against the hard-line religious leaders who run the government. Similar arguments were made ahead of the invasion of Iraq, when administration officials predicted U.S. troops would be welcomed as liberators.
And Hersh said administration officials have chosen not to include conflicting points of view in their deliberations -- such as predictions that any U.S. attack would provoke a wave of nationalism that would unite Iranians against the United States.
"As people say to me, when it comes to meetings about this issue, if you don't drink the Kool-Aid, you can't go to meetings," he said. "That isn't a message anybody wants to hear."
The plans are not limited to Iran, he said.
"The president assigned a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as 10 nations in the Middle East and South Asia," he wrote.
Under the secret plans, the war on terrorism would be led by the Pentagon, and the power of the CIA would be reduced, Hersh wrote in his article.
"It's sort of a great victory for Donald Rumsfeld, a bureaucratic victory," Hersh told CNN.
He said: "Since the summer of 2002, he's been advocating, 'Let me run this war, not the CIA. We can do it better. We'll send our boys in. We don't have to tell their local military commanders. We don't have to tell the ambassadors. We don't have to tell the CIA station chiefs in various countries. Let's go in and work with the bad guys and see what we can find out.'"
Hersh added that the administration has chipped away at the CIA's power and that newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss has overseen a purge of the old order.
"He's been committing sort-of ordered executions'" Hersh said. "He's been -- you know, people have been fired, they've been resigning."
The target of the housecleaning at the CIA, he said, has been intelligence analysts, some of whom are seen as "apostates -- as opposed to being true believers." (Full story)
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01-17-2005, 12:21 AM #2
Iran is much easier to attack now since Iraq could be an entry point to iran....but the people of iran will raise more hell than iraq if there are ground forces that go in! A recent news statistic said that people in iran would love to have a regime change and welcome US forces......that was the same new statistic that said that americans are ready to give back the US to the native americans and move back to their original countries.
01-17-2005, 05:36 AM #3
now that s gonna be fun. US can t even handle Iraq and thinking of lighting up another fire. I hope that some generals kick Rumsfeld butt for ideas like that.
01-17-2005, 06:19 AM #4
This biggest bunch of left wing propaganda that I have seen on AR. It's not going to happen, even though it has been proven that Iran is sending in foreign fighters to fight the US military.
01-17-2005, 06:34 AM #5Originally Posted by Badgerman
Originally Posted by Badgerman
Originally Posted by Badgerman
01-17-2005, 09:22 AM #6
Bager, you ARE a creature of habit aren't you. I think the possibilty of this may meet in the middle ie: not as extreme as we think but more aggressive than we suspect.
I am glad we are being proactive. We are probing deeply and we don't care if it is known. Iran has to know it is not lip service. If we have to we will do what we have to do.
01-17-2005, 09:06 PM #7
Hey.....it's on CNN.....not my creation
01-17-2005, 09:08 PM #8
1Victor......you signin up for Iran duty??......or do you think if they were a real problem someone else might take care of it......maybe an EU country.....just an idea.....we don't have to do it all in that region do we?? After all they are a hell of alot closer and their currrency is kickin ass.
01-17-2005, 10:52 PM #9
EU wants to see America hurting as well.......
01-18-2005, 03:37 AM #10Member
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01-18-2005, 04:21 AM #11
Ill bet my hard earned cash that US is going to attack iran.... absolute stupidity if you ask me why cant america just leave hornets nests alone, coz there gonna get stung soon. Any one notice all of these attacks lately Afganistan,Iraq, soon yto be Iran. All of these countries are on USSR oil belt the largest in world !!!!! so for terror or oil ??
01-19-2005, 12:39 PM #12
Oh ya, "Mad Dog Bush" will eventually send in a few planes to zap Iran's atomic power plants, then they'll retaliate and invade Iraq and slaughter a bunch more US Troops, and then Bush will call for a draft, and the Arab countries will do another oil embargo, and Bush will figure that the US needs oil so much that we have no other choice but to invade Iran and take it.
The Bush people are crazy as H e l l and things are gonna go downhill from here . . .
01-19-2005, 12:44 PM #13Originally Posted by Tock
Tock, you can tell the future? Where were you on September 10th, and by the way I could use some lotto numbers bro.....
01-19-2005, 12:56 PM #14
Badger I would love to but They wouldn't take me anyway. I would love to share a fox hole with you and change your depends!
01-19-2005, 02:27 PM #15Originally Posted by 1victor
Huh . . . sounds like a kinky crowd to me . . .
01-19-2005, 02:45 PM #16
Tock.......always in the gutter!
01-19-2005, 03:32 PM #17
Has Iran broken 17 UN Security Council resolutions? Have they (Iran) invaded a weaker neighbor country just to exploit their wealth? I don't think so. This is a poor comparison of what happened in Iraq. No decisions have been made in a trivial manner.
Originally Posted by Tock
01-19-2005, 03:43 PM #18
Ya, well, when you hear on the news some bright sunny morning that US troops have invaded Iran, then you'll know Tock was unusually prescient . . .
01-19-2005, 04:29 PM #19
LOL @ this thread!
01-20-2005, 02:59 AM #20EU wants to see America hurting as well.......
Originally Posted by Tock
01-20-2005, 04:07 PM #21Originally Posted by 1victor
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