01-17-2005, 04:03 AM #1
Iraque Upcoming Elections What future?
Iraq is going to the polls shortly. What future for the country after that?
What impact this democratic process will have in the Arab countries?
Are the democratic processes a source for good in that region of the world?
Will the other non-democratic regimes in the area accept the outcome whatever that maybe?
Lets ear some good answers on this topic and please leave the inflammatory remarks to other threads.
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01-17-2005, 09:09 PM #2
It'll be a mess for at least another decade IMO
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I think as badgerman says it will be a mess for another 10 years - but it will be a growing better mess than it has been so far.
The idea of democracy in the middle east is quite alien but people do look out for their own interests and I do think that after this election, if successful, it will be very hard to put that genie back in the bottle, especially for Iraq but i would strongly suspect for other countries as well. This will invigorate the movements in both Iran and Syria not to mention those in Saudi Arabia which is already scrambling to have some sort of elections at local levels.
I do think that this is agreat thing for the long term but it will be a good while before we (and they) really reap the benefits. Lets face it, the US Revolutionary war was very disruptive to the previously prosperous colonies, killing a significant part of the population and causing major problems in food supplies. Yet it was certainly worth it over the longer term.
These days we expect "Ramen" democracies - just add a UN delegation and viola! like noodles they are ready to enjoy. No, democracy making is a bloody business and history will confirm that...yet it is the best game in town - for all else, despotism, imperialism, socialism, communism are all repudiated by history. People do yearn to be free - even though a slave may be born that way and live his whole life grimly reserved to his fate...yet somewhere in him or her longs to be free - and that is just as true in the middle east and is our best hope for better relations there.
Just as our own people are the best check on the worlds largest military because we want protection but not militarism - even so many in the middle east would not put up with many things the governments do if the people had some say in it
01-17-2005, 10:09 PM #4
I agree. Too bad governments get in the way of the people. As long as they can somehow get the various sects some input in the new government it can succeed.
What will be a disaster is if the Shia get total control and start kiling off the Sunnis left and right. Has the possibility of a sectioned Iraq been proposed?? Better to live across the border than be forced to try to love each other when it ain't gonna happen. How about different states with ethnic boundaries to give local autonomy?
01-17-2005, 10:22 PM #5
I think the elections will go smoothly for the most part, but there will be one attack of some kind that the media will focuse on that will be all anyone hears about. Especially in Europe........
01-17-2005, 11:38 PM #6Originally Posted by Badgerman
01-18-2005, 06:27 AM #7Originally Posted by Badgerman
However I think that the democratic process is an advantage for the Arab countries in general.
I have to agree with Cyclion '' Democracies is not a perfect system but no one ever invent anything better - Winston Churchill.
As for being a mess for the next ten years, lets face it. It was already a mess anyway.
I think that if the West can implement a function democracy in the Arab world, than the price in blood of all that paid the ultimate price, so we can be sitting here having this discussion, should never be forgotten.
If we fail, then our Western leaders should be ashamed of themselves.
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