01-19-2005, 08:10 PM #1
Canadian Military OKs gay weddings
Just to show y'all how far behind the times the US of A is . . . and Spain is going to do the same thing, if it hasn't already done so . . .
Canadian Military OKs gay weddings
OTTAWA -- Gay and lesbian army couples can now get married on military bases. The Canadian Forces has quietly drafted a policy calling for military chaplains to formally bless same-sex weddings. Guidelines - considered "interim" until the federal government passes a law redefining marriage - outline the process for pre-nuptial counselling and using the on-base chapel for same-sex ceremonies.
Col. Stan Johnstone, a military chaplain who helped draft the policy, said the guidelines reflect the primary role of ministering to all CF members and their families.
He said chaplains vary on personal convictions and points of theology, but don't discriminate against anyone in need of counsel.
"No one is being put under any constraint to do something they wouldn't normally do."
The roughly 150 military chaplains who work on bases across the country aren't required to perform same-sex marriages if it's against their religious beliefs, but they have the responsibility to find another clergyman to conduct the ceremony.
01-19-2005, 08:33 PM #2LORDBLiTZ Guest
Nice try, vette. You bitch
Last edited by LORDBLiTZ; 01-19-2005 at 11:02 PM.
01-19-2005, 09:33 PM #3Retired Vet
Originally Posted by LORDBLiTZ
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01-19-2005, 09:40 PM #4
Canada, I understand..but Spain...
01-19-2005, 10:24 PM #5
Here's the latest on Spain . . .
France, I think, does civil unions, but they have all the rights of married people; it's the same thing but it has a different name.
I guess Germany will be the next country after Spain . . .
Spain moves closer to legalizing gay marriage
Last Updated Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:08:23 EST
MADRID - The ruling cabinet in Spain approved a bill on Friday that would legalize same-sex marriages, a step that moves the country closer to becoming the third European country to recognize gay weddings.
The bill would allow homosexuals to adopt children and would extend to same-sex spouses the same inheritance rights and pension benefits enjoyed by heterosexual couples.
The cabinet of Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero approved the bill on Friday. The ruling party expects to present the bill to parliament in February.
"The right to marry is a right for everyone, without distinction. It cannot be understood as a privilege," said Deputy Prime Minister Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega after the meeting. "The recognition of homosexuals' rights eradicates an unjustified discrimination."
The Roman Catholic church, which holds a great deal of influence in Spain, is adamantly opposed to gay marriage.
Belgium and the Netherlands have already legalized gay marriages.
"Civil union" laws for same-sex couples are on the books in Sweden and Denmark, but they fall short of legalizing gay marriage. In both countries, the Lutheran church can bless the unions.
Canada's proposed same-sex marriage law was approved by the Supreme Court earlier this month.
01-20-2005, 02:40 AM #6
depends on the county(Bundesland) u live in Germany. there is no general rule, but yes, marriage is possible.
02-08-2005, 10:46 PM #7
the canadian forces are the social experiment of this ****ing government
they pay for sex change
pay for bras
spent millions on combat bras
think its time I go to the private military soon
02-09-2005, 04:50 AM #8
Tock, whats keeping you from moving to one of those countries...From all your posts, I really dont remember seeing anything good you like about the U.S.
02-09-2005, 07:10 AM #9
Canadian and military don't belong in the same sentence, sorry Canadian bros but I would take our best against your best anyday.
02-09-2005, 08:38 AM #10Originally Posted by max2extreme
A few things . . .
1) I was born here.
2) I looked into moving to Canada, but since I don't have any relatives (that I know of, anyway) there, and don't speak French very well, I didn't pass their eligibility test.
3) Everyone else I know lives here, and they don't want to move.
4) I have my business set up here.
5) I'd hate to have to talk to you over international lines, mon petite . . .
6) I have way too much stuff to move anywhere . . .
Ya, there are problems here in the US, probably always will be. But that's no reason to abandon it . . . so long as it's legal for me & my pals to complain & etc, I'll stick around and try to improve it.
Thanks for asking . . .
02-09-2005, 08:43 AM #11
But if you move you could join the service and have your "partner"......j/k
But really who cares??? Do your beloved nations of terror embrace homosexual unions???? I don't know, but if not, they could still get into the Lord's graces by suicide bombing..... oh..he shoots he scores!!!
02-09-2005, 08:44 AM #12
Also, there are little things here called State's rights that give individual States power to decide things. Yes, they are guided by federal monies, but it is usually still up to them. Not religion or a Dictator who would be God.
02-09-2005, 09:04 AM #13Originally Posted by jc3
It's the fundamentalist approach to Islam that terrorists embrace, much like the Christian fundamentalists in the US insist that non-Christians live according to their interpretation of the Bible.
Not much difference between the two, really. The Christians just don't have bombs yet.
02-09-2005, 09:12 AM #14Originally Posted by jc3
There is also the notion, first expressed in the Declaration of Independance, that
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal."
When heterosexuals have more rights (like legal recognition of relationships) than gays, then the government fails to recognize the political equality of all people.
02-09-2005, 09:15 AM #15Originally Posted by Tock
How two consenting adults wish to live their lives, or proclaim their relationship should be left up to the individuals regardless of how it makes others feel.
02-09-2005, 09:19 AM #16
Canada I can understand, Spain...Not a chance.
Spain is a very religious country (roman catholic) Every other woman you meet on the street is named after the virgin Mary. Unless the Roman cathlolic church approved such a measure the people themselves will never go for it.
As for tocks "beloved nations of terror" embracing homosexual activity. No chance! They would behead tock at the drop of a dime in the name of allah.
02-09-2005, 09:23 AM #17
Tock, so you know, I have absolutely no problem with people doing whatever it is that makes them happy. Providing they don't infringe on my rights. With this being said, I argue your points because it seems you are a border line terrorist supporter. Not flaming you, but your record speaks for itself.. Also you live here in the U.S. and continually bash it......
02-09-2005, 09:28 AM #18Originally Posted by Benches505
Spain's Government OKs Gay Marriage Bill, Putting It on Track to Become Third EU Nation to Do So
MADRID, Spain Dec 30, 2004 — Spain's socialist government on Friday approved a bill to legalize same-sex marriages, putting this predominantly Roman Catholic country on course to become only the third European country to recognize gay matrimony.
Under the bill, homosexuals would be allowed to adopt children and same-sex couples will be able to inherit from one another as well as receive retirement benefits from their working spouses just as heterosexual married couples do.
The bill was approved at a Cabinet meeting and is expected to be presented to Parliament in February for debate.
"The right to marry is a right for everyone, without distinction. It cannot be understood as a privilege," Deputy Prime Minister Maria Teresa Fernandez de la Vega told reporters after the meeting. "The recognition of homosexuals' rights eradicates an unjustified discrimination."
The influential Catholic church adamantly opposes the measure.
If the bill passes, Spain would join Belgium and the Netherlands in legalizing gay marriages.
Sweden and Denmark have "civil union" laws for same-sex couples but fall short of legalizing gay marriage. However, the union can be blessed in both countries by the Lutheran Church.
02-09-2005, 09:33 AM #19Originally Posted by Benches505
Sex vs. emotions
Many Arab men make a distinction between sex and emotional attachment. Bruce Dunne, author of an article titled Power and Sexuality in the Middle East, believes that sexual relations in the Middle East are about power. He writes: "Sexual relations in Middle Eastern societies have historically articulated social hierarchies, that is, dominant and subordinate social positions: adult men on top; women, boys and slaves below…Both dominant/subordinate and heterosexual/homosexual categorizations are structures of power."
Having pure, raw sex with another man and being the active partner doesn’t make a man gay. This notion of same-sex is also true in the West. It differs, however, with regard the application.
"Since the concept of same-sex relations does not exist in the Arab world, being ‘Gay’ is still considered to be a sexual behavior," says Outreach Director of the Gay and Lesbian Arab Society, Ramzi Zakharia, in an e-mail interview. But according to Western definition, "that limits it to 'homosexual' behavior, which does not mean that the person is Gay. Just because you sleep with a member of the same sex does not mean you are Gay... it just means that you are engaging in homosexual activity. Once a relationship develops beyond sex (i.e: love) this is when the term gay applies," adds akharia.
02-09-2005, 09:54 AM #20Originally Posted by jc3
I can understand why the Arabs hate the US. The Iranians hate us because the CIA put the Shah in power in 1953 and then he created an incredibly repressive secret police that screwed the general population over. That and other stuff created resentment that the fundamentalist mullahs capitalized on, and eventually resulted in the Ayatollah Khomani overthrowing the Shah and replacing one evil with another.
The Saudis hate the US because the ruling princes give the US oil in return for $$$ and protection from their people. Resentment among them is building just like it was in Iran, and one of these fine days, unless they find some outlet for their frustration and anger, the Saudi Royalty will find itself replaced by mullahs.
The Arabs around Israel hate the US because they know we give Israel $$$ and bombs to use against them.
Yah, US mideast foreign policy sucks, and it's primarily due to the US addiction to foreign oil, and politicians wanting the votes of the Pro-Israel folks in the US. So we end up supporting every demand of Israel and screwing the Arabs to get their oil.
Originally Posted by jc3
Blacks would still be slaves without the continual bashing of the government policies allowing it to continue. Women wouldn't be able to vote. Children would still be working 14 hour days in filthy, dangerous factories. Old people would spend their final years in abject poverty and squalor. Public schools would still require all students to pray to Jesus, even if they were Jewish, Hindu, or whatever.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but the USA is far from perfect. There's lots of room for improvement just about everywhere, and it's the whiners and complainers who end up getting things fixed, who get blacks the right to vote, who broaden the application of freedom and liberty to more people.
I like to think I'm one of those complainers who's doing my part to improve things for everyone.
And that, mon ami, positions my efforts as diametrically opposed to terrorists as much as could be . . .
02-09-2005, 12:48 PM #21
Look at it this way , they could really dress up the uniforms, accessorize it baby! Maybe then we dcould have "runway wars", design offs! Where the one with the best outfit wins! No more wars!
02-09-2005, 12:55 PM #22Originally Posted by 1victor
02-09-2005, 01:17 PM #23
They could back stab and gossip about each other until someones feelings got really hurt
02-09-2005, 06:12 PM #24Originally Posted by 1victor
Man oh man oh man oh man . . .
02-09-2005, 07:11 PM #25
Yes the Marines are the sh*t no doubt about that one.
02-09-2005, 11:18 PM #26
Bend over.........I'll drive you to the mess hall
02-10-2005, 10:30 AM #27Originally Posted by 1victor
LOL, we win hand down, our average reservists kick your rangers ass most of the time in training.
You dont even have the training and experience that canadian soldiers do, but we do want your equipments tho!
02-10-2005, 12:12 PM #28
Ha! Reservists ARE your Military so take our enlisted and your reservists, We will kick som Canadian arse
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