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    Tax Dollars at work

    Iraqi minister: Chalabi will be arrested
    One-time U.S. confidant to face bank fraud charges in Jordan



    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq's interim defense minister said former Iraq exile leader Ahmed Chalabi will be arrested Saturday and handed over to Interpol to face bank fraud charges in Jordan.

    Saturday is both the final day of the Muslim pilgrimage, or hajj, to Mecca and the end of Eid al-Adha, or Feast of Sacrifice.

    As the exiled political leader of the Iraqi National Congress, Chalabi was a key U.S. ally leading up to the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

    "Chalabi is someone who has hurt his people," Defense Minister Hazem Sha'alan said on the Arab satellite network Al-Jazeera.

    "He robbed 1,500 families of their daily bread by bankrupting Bank Petra."

    Chalabi founded the bank in the late 1970s, and was convicted and sentenced in absentia for bank fraud by a Jordanian military court in 1992 -- a prosecution he insists was politically motivated.

    Chalabi blames Jordan for smearing him because he exposed the country's weapons-dealing with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

    In his comments to Al-Jazeera, Sha'alan accused Chalabi of defaming him and the ministry, but didn't elaborate.

    Sha'alan also blamed Chalabi for dismantling the Iraqi army and police forces after the U.S.-led invasion. In a separate interview with the Arab network Al-Arabiya, Sha'alan also blamed the United States for dismantling the Iraqi army.

    Chalabi was a champion of the post-war program that sought to keep anyone associated with Saddam's Baathist regime from positions of authority in post-Saddam Iraq.

    In May 2004, Chalabi fell out of favor with U.S. officials as as the pre-war intelligence Chalabi supplied about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction failed to pan out.

    That month, American troops and Iraqi police searched his home and office, and U.S. officials accused him of passing closely held American secrets to Iran -- allegations he denied.

    Before his fall from favor, the exiled leader and his organization received millions of U.S. tax dollars in the hope the group could help topple Saddam's regime. Chalabi returned to Iraq on an American aircraft after Saddam was deposed.
    Once home, Chalabi was appointed to the Iraqi Governing Council and put in charge of finances.
    He tried to establish a political base in the country but has struggled to gain a foothold, with many Iraqis distrusting him because of his many years in exile and close ties to the United States.
    Chalabi, as a U.S.-educated exile, lived abroad for more than four decades before returning to Iraq.

    In September, he escaped injury south of Baghdad when two carloads of gunmen opened fire on his convoy, an aide said. Chalabi's bodyguards returned fire, but the gunmen escaped.

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    Blah-blah-blah. Badger - since you are such a good republican (prior to this election), please mention 5 things you support in our current platform.

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    Blah blah blah....name five crooks Bush doesn't support

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    Badger please answer the question...............you are losing credibility.

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    It's amazing 9 out of 10 liberals actual consider themselves moderates or independents. Which is one of the reasons it is so difficult to debate with left wingers. They don't even know their own core believes but somehow they think they will feel better when they attack of core believes of others.

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    Badger please answer the question...............you are losing credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot-Rox
    It's amazing 9 out of 10 liberals actual consider themselves moderates or independents. Which is one of the reasons it is so difficult to debate with left wingers. They don't even know their own core believes but somehow they think they will feel better when they attack of core believes of others.
    How can a conservative support a platform when the budget is totally out of control?

    1. Tax cuts are good......if you can afford it
    2. Prescription drug benefit is good......if you can pay for it
    3. Education reform is good........if it is funded
    4. Privatized retirement is good.....if you don't let wall street rape the uneducated
    5. Tax reform would have been a GODSEND......I wish GW had the fortitude to carry through on that promise.
    6. Corporate reform is good.....too bad he let his fox buddies clean out the chicken coup before he shut the door

    So you see.....GW is far from a conservative.....his lack of self-control has cost US and future generations dearly.

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    OK HOT ROX......I listed them......you love me now?

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    Badger - I didn't know you cared! Those are things that we can agree on.... I believe we will be seeing Tax Code reform in GW's 2nd term. They will also try for SS reform, but I don't think either side has the nerve to do what is obviously needed. They must raise the retirement age. When SS was implemented in back in 1936 the average human life expectancy was 65 (or less). Now it is approaching 80 and with no upping of the eligibility age. That is nothing short of shameless. It is unfortunate our politicians (on both sides) aren't actually willing to do what is clearly best for the country. SS is like the political sacred cow.....lol

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    I know this sounds a bit socialistic.....BUT......I believe retired people with major income from other sources.....say 150K plus......need to give up the SS check......
    otherwise our kids will be dead in the water buried under gov tax burden.

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    I believe more substantial reform is needed to SS. People 50 and under should be put on notice by the government that benefits "they are a changin" and you'd better be making other plans. SS was never meant to be the sole source of support during retirement, which exactly what it is today. IMO the age should be raised to 75 and if you are planning on retiring early than that you need to plan for it privately. You and I will have to disagree on penalizing the successful.....lol

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    It's not really a penalty so much as making SS what is was for....a safety net.
    People with substantial investment income don't need a net.......those that had financial disasters might. It's just looking out for our kids......
    It's kind of like the retirees in this area bitching about school tax......what do they want??.....a bunch of delinquents roaming the streets?......on the same note we should require sound spending habits from local gov all the way up.......and that is certainly lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot-Rox
    I believe more substantial reform is needed to SS. People 50 and under should be put on notice by the government that benefits "they are a changin" and you'd better be making other plans. SS was never meant to be the sole source of support during retirement, which exactly what it is today. IMO the age should be raised to 75 and if you are planning on retiring early than that you need to plan for it privately. You and I will have to disagree on penalizing the successful.....lol
    I agree with raising retirement age ....BUT......how would like to have been trying to retire when the market tanked, or you had your retirement in Enron or World Com? That's why there is a need for some kind of oversight......
    and it needs to be people who care and without hidden agendas. Someone has to be a champion for the little guy.

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    Badger I agree but those [people spent the first 4 months of the year paying into Social Security, is it a punishment for being successful?

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    The rules for paying out SS dollars should not be determined by income of the retired recipient. It should be determined by who paid in and how much. That is the only fair way that I can see to do SS distributions. I just don't like the idea of the government being give an arbitrary guideline for deciding who they believe is eligible for payment. As for the system being safe for our kids, raising the age to 75 would solve the problem overnight and allow for FICA withholding tax to actually be reduced (heaven forbid).

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    It's not a punishment.......a sacrifice for the common good......how can a person complain when their income is so high that they don't need SS.......it for future generations so they don't have to be slaughtered by high taxes

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    Don't you think higher tax rates are enough of a penalty for being financially successful? Do you have to take away SS benefits also.....lol

    Remember, the top 10% Income Earners pay 65% of the Federal Income taxes. The top 50% pay over 96%. That means the bottom 50% of Income Earners pay only 4% of the Federal Income tax. This would seem to equal out any inadequacies of the income disadvantaged. No need to penalize the successful further by taking away their SS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot-Rox
    Don't you think higher tax rates are enough of a penalty for being financially successful? Do you have to take away SS benefits also.....lol

    Remember, the top 10% Income Earners pay 65% of the Federal Income taxes. The top 50% pay over 96%. That means the bottom 50% of Income Earners pay only 4% of the Federal Income tax. This would seem to equal out any inadequacies of the income disadvantaged. No need to penalize the successful further by taking away their SS.
    It's NOT a penalty......SS should be needs based.......a safety net.......kind if like health insurance........you might pay a lot of premiums and never use it.......or you might pay the premiums and really use it if you have health problems.........think of SS the same way instead of the me me me me me attitude......think of the kids future......some rich people are so ****ing selfish it makes me puke

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