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    Badgerman

    Whats your agenda here?.

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    Thank you. He is an enigma. I have a hard time figuring him out, he won't make a commitment to anything. Just kinda floats around on every topic except his contempt for America.

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    And don't forget - before Bush he voted Republican......NOT....lol

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    what is everyones agenda here? to give their personal opinion. It is refreshing to see other opinions, this world does not have one universal mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot-Rox
    And don't forget - before Bush he voted Republican......NOT....lol
    Wrongo bucko......have always voted repub until this one.

    What I believe:
    Balanced budget
    Strong defense HERE
    Tight immigration control
    High minimum wage
    Great benefits for laborers
    Strong laws against corporate corruption
    Seperation of church and state
    Replacement of the income tax with national sales tax
    No wars on foreign soil

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    I kinda just pass the time a little here too.........blow off steam against the typical American assumptions.....try to imagine how the rest of the world views our actions.......make people think about things from a little diff angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Whats your agenda here?.
    Thanks for your personal interest though!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Wrongo bucko......have always voted repub until this one.

    What I believe:
    Balanced budget
    Strong defense HERE
    Tight immigration control
    High minimum wage
    Great benefits for laborers
    Strong laws against corporate corruption
    Seperation of church and state
    Replacement of the income tax with national sales tax
    No wars on foreign soil
    Your a mix of Libertarian and Conservative and Liberal. Scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    I kinda just pass the time a little here too.........blow off steam against the typical American assumptions.....try to imagine how the rest of the world views our actions.......make people think about things from a little diff angle.
    Devil's advocate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockSolid
    Your a mix of Libertarian and Conservative and Liberal. Scary
    Is that scary??? My dad rails against unions (strong rep)......but he was in a union his whole life.....I told him he would have NO benefits without the union......made him think......then he thought unions might be alright after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Wrongo bucko......have always voted repub until this one.

    What I believe:
    Replacement of the income tax with national sales tax
    Badgerman,
    I have never heard of the the idea of replacing income tax with a National sales tax. Any info or links on how or why this might work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Wrongo bucko......have always voted repub until this one.

    What I believe:
    Balanced budget
    Strong defense HERE
    Tight immigration control
    High minimum wage
    Great benefits for laborers
    Strong laws against corporate corruption
    Seperation of church and state
    Replacement of the income tax with national sales tax
    No wars on foreign soil
    Well let's REALLY look at these beliefs.......Shall we?
    Balanced Budget..............Who could argue....It should be...
    Strong Defense here.......Do you mean to take more of our personal freedoms
    away??? Or what does here actaully mean????
    Tight immigration control.........So I take it you are an American Indian????
    High Minimum wage........GREAT IDEA....Let's send MORE jobs overseas.
    Brilliant......NOT.
    Great Benefits for Laborers......Most companies that employ laborers are going
    broke now because of RIDICULOUS insurance
    and Work Comp rate. Beacause these same
    Laborers abuse the system so badly now.
    Strong Laws against corporate corruption.... Just what we need. More laws
    and lawyers. Let's make it harder
    to do business here. That'll keep
    jobs here.
    Separation of Church and State..Agreed. Stop requiring marriage licenses
    Birth Cert's etc....
    Replace Income Tax.....Great. Keep pushing this idea to the Dem's so when
    they come back around we'll have both. So I can
    pay for all the people that are too lazy to work.
    No wars on foreign soil.....Yes that's f*ing great.... So the 1000 year Reich
    would still be in power. And forget all of our allies
    that's honorable. Would love to be in a street fight
    with you at my back.

    People like you spout idealistic bullshat that sounds great but makes absolutely no common sense. By the way I own a small-Mid size business and I employ many people. I also work with most of the large Corporations in this country. Am I a war monger.....NO I am not. It is customary in my family to serve in our Armed Forces. Our family members have fled Nazi Germany and were NOT allowed to enter our country because of the Nationalistic Policies of those times. You suggest throwing us right back into those policies..... Thank G-d we are Americans and have the right to speak freely....The thing that pisses me off the most about you and people like you is that you forget that this country was forged in Blood. Many, Many have died so we have the right to spout our personal beliefs. But comparing Our soldiers to that of Nazi Germany is about the most assinine thing I have heard in a long time. When the next Muslim Zealots(not all Muslims) bomb your family and you find out we had the chance to take them out and we didn't I'm sure you'll then cry that our Gov't once again has failed us.

    So dig this............America Love it or Leave it.....have your opinions the first amendment is all about that. Just understand that most of us are willing to die to preserve our way of life for us and our children. Instead of Bashing all
    the time why don't you show a little love for this country as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMondodondo
    Well let's REALLY look at these beliefs.......Shall we?
    Balanced Budget..............Who could argue....It should be...
    Strong Defense here.......Do you mean to take more of our personal freedoms
    away??? Or what does here actaully mean????
    Tight immigration control.........So I take it you are an American Indian????
    High Minimum wage........GREAT IDEA....Let's send MORE jobs overseas.
    Brilliant......NOT.
    Great Benefits for Laborers......Most companies that employ laborers are going
    broke now because of RIDICULOUS insurance
    and Work Comp rate. Beacause these same
    Laborers abuse the system so badly now.
    Strong Laws against corporate corruption.... Just what we need. More laws
    and lawyers. Let's make it harder
    to do business here. That'll keep
    jobs here.
    Separation of Church and State..Agreed. Stop requiring marriage licenses
    Birth Cert's etc....
    Replace Income Tax.....Great. Keep pushing this idea to the Dem's so when
    they come back around we'll have both. So I can
    pay for all the people that are too lazy to work.
    No wars on foreign soil.....Yes that's f*ing great.... So the 1000 year Reich
    would still be in power. And forget all of our allies
    that's honorable. Would love to be in a street fight
    with you at my back.

    People like you spout idealistic bullshat that sounds great but makes absolutely no common sense. By the way I own a small-Mid size business and I employ many people. I also work with most of the large Corporations in this country. Am I a war monger.....NO I am not. It is customary in my family to serve in our Armed Forces. Our family members have fled Nazi Germany and were NOT allowed to enter our country because of the Nationalistic Policies of those times. You suggest throwing us right back into those policies..... Thank G-d we are Americans and have the right to speak freely....The thing that pisses me off the most about you and people like you is that you forget that this country was forged in Blood. Many, Many have died so we have the right to spout our personal beliefs. But comparing Our soldiers to that of Nazi Germany is about the most assinine thing I have heard in a long time. When the next Muslim Zealots(not all Muslims) bomb your family and you find out we had the chance to take them out and we didn't I'm sure you'll then cry that our Gov't once again has failed us.

    So dig this............America Love it or Leave it.....have your opinions the first amendment is all about that. Just understand that most of us are willing to die to preserve our way of life for us and our children. Instead of Bashing all
    the time why don't you show a little love for this country as well.

    Well if your making minimium wage $5.50 an hour and for a regular 40 hours a week that comes out to $220 a week and that's before taxes so your looking at more like $190 a week. So what's your answer now? A. Keep it here and expect them to live with their parents. B. Keep it and also collect walfare. C. Work 2 of these Sh*t jobes to make a wopping $380 a week for 80 hours!! D. Sell drugs or roids on the side to help with the bill's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMondodondo
    Well let's REALLY look at these beliefs.......Shall we?
    Balanced Budget..............Who could argue....It should be...
    Strong Defense here.......Do you mean to take more of our personal freedoms
    away??? Or what does here actaully mean????
    Tight immigration control.........So I take it you are an American Indian????
    High Minimum wage........GREAT IDEA....Let's send MORE jobs overseas.
    Brilliant......NOT.
    Great Benefits for Laborers......Most companies that employ laborers are going
    broke now because of RIDICULOUS insurance
    and Work Comp rate. Beacause these same
    Laborers abuse the system so badly now.
    Strong Laws against corporate corruption.... Just what we need. More laws
    and lawyers. Let's make it harder
    to do business here. That'll keep
    jobs here.
    Separation of Church and State..Agreed. Stop requiring marriage licenses
    Birth Cert's etc....
    Replace Income Tax.....Great. Keep pushing this idea to the Dem's so when
    they come back around we'll have both. So I can
    pay for all the people that are too lazy to work.
    No wars on foreign soil.....Yes that's f*ing great.... So the 1000 year Reich
    would still be in power. And forget all of our allies
    that's honorable. Would love to be in a street fight
    with you at my back.

    People like you spout idealistic bullshat that sounds great but makes absolutely no common sense. By the way I own a small-Mid size business and I employ many people. I also work with most of the large Corporations in this country. Am I a war monger.....NO I am not. It is customary in my family to serve in our Armed Forces. Our family members have fled Nazi Germany and were NOT allowed to enter our country because of the Nationalistic Policies of those times. You suggest throwing us right back into those policies..... Thank G-d we are Americans and have the right to speak freely....The thing that pisses me off the most about you and people like you is that you forget that this country was forged in Blood. Many, Many have died so we have the right to spout our personal beliefs. But comparing Our soldiers to that of Nazi Germany is about the most assinine thing I have heard in a long time. When the next Muslim Zealots(not all Muslims) bomb your family and you find out we had the chance to take them out and we didn't I'm sure you'll then cry that our Gov't once again has failed us.

    So dig this............America Love it or Leave it.....have your opinions the first amendment is all about that. Just understand that most of us are willing to die to preserve our way of life for us and our children. Instead of Bashing all
    the time why don't you show a little love for this country as well.
    Why would your ancestors flee their country??? Sounds like they were a bunch of wimps that wouldn't fight for their homeland......you telling me that MILLIONS of people couldn't have stood up to the German dictatorship???
    You let this government continue to remove our freedoms and start to pull the same crap......will you flee this place too?? I won't.

    Nazism.....wouldn't you say a "good soldier" was a bad deal? Sounds like the "good soldiers" of Nazi Germany needed their butts kicked by some
    "bad germans".
    Were the Kent State national guardsmen "good soldiers"?

    Do you employ a bunch of low wage illegals or something??
    Tell me how the hell is someone supposed to live on minimum wage??
    So you like the ENRONS and WORLD COM and TYCOS???? NICE
    I think the republicans proposed tax reform including looking at a sales tax.....
    which I support.

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    Just so we cease this ignorance. What percent of the population in Germanu in 1933 were Jews?
    Get your facts on what the REAL minimum wage is!

    I do not how the HE!! anyone is supposed to live on minimum wage. I am only STATING the FACT that we are sending jobs overseas because the price of doing business here is too expensive. What will raising the minimum wage do??? It will send more jobs overseas.........

    Last I checked the companies that you quoted were being punished as they
    should be! So try again.

    Minimum wage was implemented partly to stop the exploitation of minors. Most minimum wage earners are students by the way.

    Before you "try" to make points with the big boys get your facts together.

    Just because I am absolutely sure you do NOT know how many Jews were in Germany in 1933 I will tell you. 2% that's right 2%. That means 2 people standing up to 100. It was sure death either way. Many did stand up and they were beaten and killed where they stood.

    Your analogy of Kent state to Nazi Germany is another case in point of your ignorance.. They were wrong ,dead wrong. This is not even close to a cogent argument.

    You show me one case in our history that we have dropped a Tax for another.........well.........I'll be waiting till hell freezes over because it has not happened. We end up with double the taxation. I pay ove3r 50% in taxes now....Do you know what that is.....It is a dam socialist state. I work my a$$ off everyday so I can feed the sh1tboxes that are too lazy to work. You want to feed them then you do it.

    You attack my arguments on utopian concepts and irrational arguments with no basis in fact. We always need to question authority and fight for a better America.....Don't you dare forget that there is a growing piece of this world that wants you dead, yes DEAD just because you are American and there is NO GREATER threat to us than that at this point in time.

    Once again nothing positive to say about our country again......You should be so proud.

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    When the next Muslim Zealots(not all Muslims) bomb your family and you find out we had the chance to take them out and we didn't I'm sure you'll then cry that our Gov't once again has failed us.
    thats bs. osama is still running around, free and very much alive. who did u hit? a lot of civilians. is afghanistan a better place now? no, there ere more police officers in NYC than american soldiers in Afghanistan. only the capital is free and safe. the rest is still a unstable and dangerous country controlled by drug lords. so what was this war all about? freedom for the ppl in afghanistan? my ass. and the situation in Iraq is still not under control.
    btw what connection was there between Saddam and 9/11? none. all bs. and u r wondering y everybody else in the world is criticizing the US government for the wise foresight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***xxx***
    thats bs. osama is still running around, free and very much alive. who did u hit? a lot of civilians. is afghanistan a better place now? no, there ere more police officers in NYC than american soldiers in Afghanistan. only the capital is free and safe. the rest is still a unstable and dangerous country controlled by drug lords. so what was this war all about? freedom for the ppl in afghanistan? my ass. and the situation in Iraq is still not under control.
    btw what connection was there between Saddam and 9/11? none. all bs. and u r wondering y everybody else in the world is criticizing the US government for the wise foresight...
    Do you have a worthwile suggestion on how we should be looking for Osama Bin Laden? If I remember correctly, Theodore Kazinski (unibomber in America) was wasn't caught for 20 years after being on a most wanted list and he was in our country! Not to mention the only reason he was caught was because his brother or something turned him in. But I'm sure that because they dont display GPS coardinances on the nightly news of where we think OBL is that obviously means we're not trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Thanks for your personal interest though!!
    Nah, its cool. Once you don't see it as a flame, or me calling you out. But I just can't figure where your coming from alot of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjp85
    Do you have a worthwile suggestion on how we should be looking for Osama Bin Laden? If I remember correctly, Theodore Kazinski (unibomber in America) was wasn't caught for 20 years after being on a most wanted list and he was in our country! Not to mention the only reason he was caught was because his brother or something turned him in. But I'm sure that because they dont display GPS coardinances on the nightly news of where we think OBL is that obviously means we're not trying.
    thats one thing, but u shouldn t jump to conclusions and bomb a foreign country (which with your presidents family was making business in the past) for the actions of one man. the taliban have been quite good business partners, with senator bush, as I recall it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    Well if your making minimium wage $5.50 an hour and for a regular 40 hours a week that comes out to $220 a week and that's before taxes so your looking at more like $190 a week. So what's your answer now? A. Keep it here and expect them to live with their parents. B. Keep it and also collect walfare. C. Work 2 of these Sh*t jobes to make a wopping $380 a week for 80 hours!! D. Sell drugs or roids on the side to help with the bill's.

    minimum wage jobs should be for high schoolers as part time jobs. If you are an adult still making minimum wage then there is something you have done to put yourself there.

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    Illegal Mexican cleaning ladies make more than minimum wage.
    Most of the businesses employing minmum wage workers are making a killing.......
    McDonalds, Country Clubs, Wal Mart,etc etc........they pay the kids crap wages while they're out at the golf course schmoozing with their rich buddies figuring more ways to keep the masses underpaid.......then the fat pigs have heart trouble and we all have to pay for their healthcare too......assholes

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    Badger why so bitter? Tell me about your childhood

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Badger why so bitter? Tell me about your childhood
    Not bitter.......it's just the way it is.......Just happen to have a couple of fast food restaraunt owners in town.......they bitch bitch bitch about the help.......well gee guys maybe if you actually paid a decent wage.......and they sit on their fat arses......with their quad bypass surgery......pathetic......
    then they play a ****ty game of golf everyday......OMG what a life......but hey they make a pile of money.....the American dream.

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    well I think we agree on what is most important at the core of it all, the American dream is more like a nightmare, it's only temporary , that's the part I like the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    well I think we agree on what is most important at the core of it all, the American dream is more like a nightmare, it's only temporary , that's the part I like the best.
    It can be a nightmare if you let the typical American worldview infect your thinking. I KNOW how easy it is to enslave ourselves. I look in my garage and think "holy ****......how did I accumulate all this crap".......I know my consumerism got totally out of control.......and then it spreads to my kids....
    this nation is so wasteful and out of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerman
    Wrongo bucko......have always voted repub until this one.

    What I believe:
    Balanced budget
    Strong defense HERE
    Tight immigration control
    High minimum wage
    Great benefits for laborers
    Strong laws against corporate corruption
    Seperation of church and state
    Replacement of the income tax with national sales tax
    No wars on foreign soil

    I find it hard to believe that you used to vote repub, when you say that your favorite pres nom was Al Sharpton??????

    Please if you like Al Sharpton, there's no way you ever voted Repub.

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    Agreed we are a spoiled nation, I completely agree and our children are spoiled too. We have too much if that is possible. I think people can have too much when they expect to have it, when they have no real appreciation for it.

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    If we had a higher minimum wage, inflation would rise to meet the new set income and average itself out again. Its a never ending battle. "Rich people find niches and exploit them" "Poor people also find niches although they consider them to much work or too risky." my .02

    -Syn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndicate
    If we had a higher minimum wage, inflation would rise to meet the new set income and average itself out again. Its a never ending battle. "Rich people find niches and exploit them" "Poor people also find niches although they consider them to much work or too risky." my .02

    -Syn

    what would actually happen if there was a higher min. wage is that unemployment would rise... unemployment is a surplus of labor, the higher the wage the greater the surplus... and due to the wage increase, it would cause imput costs to increase as well which would result in higher prices...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatRite
    what would actually happen if there was a higher min. wage is that unemployment would rise... unemployment is a surplus of labor, the higher the wage the greater the surplus... and due to the wage increase, it would cause imput costs to increase as well which would result in higher prices...
    Your right just keep them at $5.50 an hour so people not working for that wage will have it nicer. Hell to bad we could not just ship back the arabs were killing and bring them into slavery. That would be even better yet. If a person is think in that perspective. Their should be some disadvantage for Employers who pay only Minimium wage,... Like if they pay $5.50 that their not able to write off any of their payout on taxes.??

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    its actually 5.15 an hour, and the reason they don't want to increase min. wage is because it will increase the unemployed... it is a simple economic principle... if you don't understand that i'm sorry, you should study some economics... and i dont know what slavery has anything to do with any of this, i think you are acting a little mellow dramatically... and the disadvantage for those employers who only pay min wage is lower quality employees... the higher they pay the higher the supply of workers willing to work for them, from those they can chose the best qualified, or the ones who seem the most promising... what they can also do is fire the low quality employees and keep the higher quality ones... so you are right, they are at a disadantage... again... simple economics... and by the last sentance, i dont know if you just miswrote that or whatever, but it seems to make no sense to me.............

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    OK you got good points but their a loop holes for the business onwers. A lot of the rich "business onwers" are on either on city boards or have an influence on that board. Ok if a new company is coming to town with a demand of 2000 new jobs and starting pay at $10-12 an hour, and the majority of other non-educated job's in town are 8 dollars then they will reject the new company a city business permit. BTW this is a true event that just happend in my town, and i'm sure it happens all the time. Also a lot of the people want to quit relying on china, but were so used to their cheap labor that it would be hard to cut them off. Also the more relient we become on them the harder the change it would be. Greed will evenually catch up to us in the US.

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    problem with min wage raising up - is with the accompanying costs like taxes, healthcare, pension, etc. you would have even more jobs headed overseas - and if you dont realize most of those cheapy jobs are going there now just pick up your phone and call your bank or your credit card co - most of the time you will be speaking to someone in India - make the wages higher without higher production and employers will go elsewhere when they can to compete -it is a global marketplace these days

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    As twisted as this may seem it wouldn't make me too upset to see our economy take a major crapper. I am as guilty as the next guy. We have 6 each televisions, vcrs, dvd players, game systems. 2 new cars , 4 cell phones , dishtv, dsl, on and on it goes.

    I remember when I was a kid we played with sticks and crap. Had one car, one tv. Just enough clothes and food to get by. And every now and then we would all eat steak or a nice pot roast for dinner. Things were simpler, needs were simpler. We were a family and had friends (that we actually saw face to face)

    I think a good kick in the nuts might do us all some collective good. Greed and gluttony are the American way of life.

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    ER - you are not back on this minimum wage rant again are you? I thought we dispatched your bogus economics lesson on the other thread.


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    its actually 5.15 an hour, and the reason they don't want to increase min. wage is because it will increase the unemployed... it is a simple economic principle... if you don't understand that i'm sorry, you should study some economics... and i dont know what slavery has anything to do with any of this, i think you are acting a little mellow dramatically... and the disadvantage for those employers who only pay min wage is lower quality employees... the higher they pay the higher the supply of workers willing to work for them, from those they can chose the best qualified, or the ones who seem the most promising... what they can also do is fire the low quality employees and keep the higher quality ones... so you are right, they are at a disadantage... again... simple economics... and by the last sentance, i dont know if you just miswrote that or whatever, but it seems to make no sense to me.............

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    actually....'


    "And whe you see which states they are actually the ones with much higher populations the the real effect of the higher minimun wage is actually greater."


    among the changes listed we have: alaska, Cali, deleware, conn., hawaii, mass, maine, oregon, RI, Vermont and washington....

    i dont see PA, Ohio, Fla, Texas, NEW YORK,etc... the only huge state on that is cali...



    "If the US national wage index has increased by more than 24% between 1997 and 2003 it actually indicates that real wages are staying ahead of inflation (regardless if the most productive earn the greatest amount). "
    -Where did you find that at, because i would love to see that statistic... i'm not doubting you, i've just read and heard the opposite... if you could send me a link of that i'd appreciate it, i go to a liberal university and i get hell for supporting the bush admin... would love a stat to disprove all their bull****... thanks


    lemme getta source please for that 24% thing... and all i'm saying is macroeconomic principles... nothing more... how can that be bogus??? facts are bogus??? youre the one who said all the big states are the ones who changed the min wage??? how the hell is that not bogus???

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    that was a quoted post on the thread you were speaking of... you havent proved anything bogus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin
    OK you got good points but their a loop holes for the business onwers. A lot of the rich "business onwers" are on either on city boards or have an influence on that board. Ok if a new company is coming to town with a demand of 2000 new jobs and starting pay at $10-12 an hour, and the majority of other non-educated job's in town are 8 dollars then they will reject the new company a city business permit. BTW this is a true event that just happend in my town, and i'm sure it happens all the time. Also a lot of the people want to quit relying on china, but were so used to their cheap labor that it would be hard to cut them off. Also the more relient we become on them the harder the change it would be. Greed will evenually catch up to us in the US.

    i dont know one city that wouldnt welcome 2000 jobs for high wages... i dont know if that story is completely accurate, there must be confounding variables such as toxicity to the env. or decreased quality of living surrounding the factory... because brining a living wage to 2000 people in your city is something that every city in america begs for, especially now with the unemployment rate at 5.4%

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    Hey ER - reduce your caffine intake Bro. My research was on the other thread. I guess you did not read it thoroughly.

    "I take it you were also unaware that the US national wage index was up over 24% (actually outpacing inflation) between 1997 and 2003 ($34,064 / $27,426 = 24.2% real wage increase)? The US national wage index was forced higher due record productivity growth (with zero correlation to the unchaged minimum wage I might add)."

    http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatRite
    i dont know one city that wouldnt welcome 2000 jobs for high wages... i dont know if that story is completely accurate, there must be confounding variables such as toxicity to the env. or decreased quality of living surrounding the factory... because brining a living wage to 2000 people in your city is something that every city in america begs for, especially now with the unemployment rate at 5.4%
    Nope, It's the truth. See other companys in town would be for a shortness of work if the company would have came. So their not going to loose money for the better of a city.

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