Thread: All religions same god?
02-20-2005, 08:43 AM #1
All religions same god?
Just a thought I just came upp with. Maby there is a god and all religions worship the same god. Maby he modified the message to fit into every culture and the modifications is the different religions. Because all religions basicly teach tollerance and love. Maby god just wanted to teach the entire world about love but he realised that one religion wouldnt fit into all cultures.
Then the question follows why all religions claim they are the only right one. I would consider the possibility that its a human idea to claim that Maby god never said to any religions leader that this way is the only way. But the leaders claimed so to get more power.
Like I said just a idea I was contemplating today considering how alike most religions are if you scratch a bit on the surface. The violence is just a result of idiots that interpret (sp?) the religion in perverted ways.
Also a question to all very religious members here.
How can you support violence or war in any shape or form?
How come that the most religious people seems to be the biggest war mongers?
Not pointing the finger on any specific religion cause I see the same behavior on all sides in this forum(or well atleast when it comes to jews, christians and muslims).
02-20-2005, 08:44 AM #2
Johan, yes it is the same God. Please tell me what religious group has not engaged in wars?
02-20-2005, 08:49 AM #3Originally Posted by 1victor
also I meant that maby its the same god behind christianity as hinudism and all other kinds of major deism. Not just the big 3(jews, christians, muslims).
02-20-2005, 08:54 AM #4
god is looking down upon the earth and notice all the different cultures. he figures that "**** I cant push this jesus(buddha ect insert any name here) thing down everyones throates so I better figure out some clever twists" and then he creates all the big religions and influence the people in different cultures with different religious views.
BUT the main message of each religions is still tolerance, peace and love. The rest is just "crap" to make it blend into that culture better. But humans put to much emphasis on the "crap" part of the religion and to little emphasis on the REAL message(peace, love, tolerance) and that is the cause of all the violence.
That was what I was trying to explain with my first post
02-20-2005, 09:06 AM #5
this isnt really a debatable topic. just what we think. to me, if that is how it was, God would be lieing to everyone on earth. I dont think God lies.
02-20-2005, 09:07 AM #6
what about the violence issue then. How come religious people are more prone to warmongering then atheists.
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02-20-2005, 09:58 AM #8Originally Posted by hooker
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I believe they worshipped their Emperor, didn't they? As the incarnation of the God of Wind? I don't think that Japan is primarily Buddhist, though I could be wrong...
In any case, I'm thinking of the Tibetan Monk Buddhists, the Dali Lama and those dudes wearing Orange....
02-20-2005, 10:02 AM #10Originally Posted by hooker
Good point about tibet. I could never imagine Dalai Lama encouraging a war of any kind anywhere.
02-20-2005, 11:39 AM #11
religion = Luv
Man + greed = WAR !
02-20-2005, 03:08 PM #12
Well I am going to have to disagree here because why would God want any kind of misrepresentation towards himself whatsoever!!!
Then people would not even get a chance to "know" the real him. I believe God above all wants a personal relationship with everyone and why would he decive people to worship falsehoods? thus never getting a chance to even know the real him.
You have to see that religion is primarily man made God approves of the right one because it helps teach more about him But everything that turns out to be false God very very much dissaproves of.
The main reason we have many different religions is satans number 1 biggest weapon...
He knows he has a limited time and is trying to get as many to turn their back on God as possible. By confusing the worlds religions he was very crafty and has put doubt in many many minds of people questioning wether there is a God.
02-20-2005, 03:11 PM #13
A true patron of God stays nuetral to all things political because it is not Gods government it is mans and in essence in a small way your giving your allegience to a person or symbol(country)unfit instead of God.
As well a true patron should not have any decision to anything that takes place in the wicked world it is only for God to act not take into our own hands.
02-20-2005, 03:24 PM #14Originally Posted by Bryan2
02-20-2005, 03:26 PM #15Originally Posted by Bryan2
Why would the devil be part of creating religions that teaches love and peace
if god is omnipotent and all those things religions claimes, isnt he then everything that every religion preaches? isnt he everything and anything . Every religion is just a different view of the same entity.
02-20-2005, 03:28 PM #16Originally Posted by Bryan2
Shouldnt the true patron make sure that he doesnt everything in his power to spread love and hapiness to fellow man in a effort to make the world less wicked
02-20-2005, 04:03 PM #17Originally Posted by johan
A Loving God disaaproves of loving religions not for the sake of just having good moralities but what it reflects towards him.God loves the individual but not the message that particular religion is sending out about him. A religion can offer peace and have good moralities but if they are leading followers to belive something about the almighty God that is untrue or not the full truth he would dissaprove.
The Devils biggest weapon against God is misdirection it may have evolved into a better religion over time but when you look at the vast majority of their teachings they have basis in ancient pegan rituals. Look at any holiday for instance all based on peganism. The devil has people so misdirected to belive they are in a loving religion and so blinded to the fact that they are in fact sinning against God thinking they are doing the right thing. Normal people have good morals and wont willfully try to sin against God and satan knows this so why not trick them into sinning by following false doctrines and have them thinking they are doing the right thing.
God is omnipotant but doctrines vary greatly from one religion to the next and im sure God doesnt want people following ones teaching falsehoods about him and his purpose.
02-20-2005, 04:04 PM #18Originally Posted by johan
no a true patron just would give his allegeince to another person or a country and would take no part in any of the worlds politics and would refrain from rituals that have peagan backrounds.
02-20-2005, 04:06 PM #19
christmas has pagan backgrounds. Is all christians comiting a sin when celebrating christmas?
Christianity has as much basis in acient pagan rituals as any other religion.
what religion do you belong to btw?
02-20-2005, 04:27 PM #20
Monks .................sure, there is a group of people that live in a school bus that worship feces, I don't think they have either.
02-20-2005, 04:27 PM #21
christian but I do not celebrate any holidays due to all of them haveing peagan backrounds.
Christmas is not worshiping the son of God but is in fact worhiping the star SUN it has ties back to the wicken religion.
In Gods eyes yes I think he considers it a sin for all to celebrate Christmas considering many think they are celebrating the birth of Christ(which he wasnt even born in the winter) and in actuallity they are worshiping a peagan SUN GOD not his son.
02-20-2005, 04:29 PM #22Originally Posted by johan
Atheism has killed more people than all other religions combined.
02-20-2005, 04:32 PM #23Originally Posted by johan
God cannot have contradictions.
02-20-2005, 05:19 PM #24Originally Posted by books555
But think of the crusades and all other religious war through all times. I think its safe to say that religion has killed a ****load more people then atheism.
But answere me this question, right now what countries are the most aggresive ones. The countries dominated by atheism(or general lack of interest for religion). Or the strongly religious countries(usa, middle east)
02-20-2005, 05:24 PM #25Originally Posted by books555
What in what I have said would be a contradiciton? If the original message is keept in all big religions and the details is created by man(details like ""insert any religion" is the only right path ect)then what contradictions are there in gods actions? If he sent the message of love and peace over the world, maby he/she/it enlightened some people that where to become prophets.
But each prophet interpeted it in different ways based on what culture he/she was a part of and thats why the religions became different even though they have the same foundation of love and peace.
Im not saying I belive this. But think about it. Why would god only want to "save" a small part of the world. Why would he choose a very little part of the planets population to teach. Why would he favor a small group of people if he truly is a loving god.
02-20-2005, 08:29 PM #26Originally Posted by johan
Its true that stalin was ounce a seminary student. He gave his faith up.
02-20-2005, 08:31 PM #27Originally Posted by johan
I cant think off the top of my head how many millions parished at the hand of the Nazi's. Ill see if i can find the number.
02-21-2005, 05:49 AM #28Originally Posted by johan
02-21-2005, 06:00 AM #29Originally Posted by Bryan2
02-21-2005, 06:14 AM #30Originally Posted by johan
This is really a reply to like 3 of your posts... Im not talking about other religions...This is straight from me as a christian. The foundation of Christianity isnt love, peace, and tollerance. Those are all a large part of the religion, but the foundation of christianity is God. Christianity is all about knowing God on a personal level. That is why I dont agree with your thread starter. Loving, being peaceful and tolerant are all actions that we do. It is clear in the bible that you do not please God thru your actions.
02-21-2005, 06:16 AM #31Originally Posted by johan
Was christmas a pagan holiday. depends. After the Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christianity in 312, he sought to combine the worship of the sun god with worship of christ. Christian leaders accepted Constantine's conversion in a positive light and saw the "Christ-mass" celebration as a vital part of the process of converting the pagan world to christianity. I see nothing wrong with this. I dont see it as originating from a pagan holiday just because its on the same day, its serving a new purpose, to celebrate Jesus' birth (true, december 25 is NOT the day Jesus was born, but the day we celebrate). Just as early EARLY on, pagan temples were converted to christian churches. Does that mean that christians should not worship in those churches because they were originally built to worship another god? I dont think so because the purpose is changed. The building itself really doesnt mean anything. Its the reason you are there that matters. Just as the day Dec 25th really doesnt mean anything, its the reason you are celebrating that matters.
02-21-2005, 06:19 AM #32Originally Posted by max2extreme
I had somehow gotten the picture that the new testament is alot more important then the old one and that jesus words is priority number one even more important then the 10 comandements
02-21-2005, 06:21 AM #33Originally Posted by Bryan2
It has nothing to do with what day it is...it has everything to do with the reason you are celebrating. Im celebrating Jesus' birth. And I will continue to do so and I think the message you sent out is completely wrong.
02-21-2005, 06:39 AM #34Originally Posted by johan
02-21-2005, 07:30 AM #35Originally Posted by johan
02-21-2005, 08:19 AM #36Member
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christmas is pagon . Give me a break weather you do it for your kids or whatever reason......i have yet to see anyone worshiping jesus .
Aside from being pagon its all commercialistic .
To me its very simple . This is how i see it .
God created adam and eve . Satan was the first sinner . He defied god and got other angels to follow him , now refered to as demons . This is a test for the angles as well as man to follow god .
Satan offered 'kingdoms' to jesus to follow him , wich obviously was rejected . This is Satan's system of things , and a test for humans and spirit creatures to follow god . The devil runs this world......but as prophesied , it's temporary . Satan is trying to mis-lead all whom he can . Even looking back in bible times god punished people worshiping false gods . Im not saying anyone who dosnt follow the RIGHT religion is going to be destroyed . God is a loving god......guess we gotta try to do what right , and hope we make it .
We are in the last days now.....as is proven by prophesy .
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02-21-2005, 09:16 AM #37
You have yet to see anyone worshipping jesus? On christmas or anytime? You obviously do not go to a church, or a christian church at any rate.
02-21-2005, 09:25 AM #38Originally Posted by max2extreme
But how can you as a christian support a war? Do you think if jesus lived right now and was a american that he would support the invasion of iraq or would he condem(sp?) it? Like I said not a flame and not a bash but I dont se how war and christianity(same goes for islam or any big religion realy) can go hand in hand.....
And a question to muslims. In the araba countries how can people become convinced that its gods will to kill inocents(like terrorist attacks)? If they have read the koran themself wouldnt they know that killing is wrong? Im not saying ALL arabs are suicide bombers or anything of the sort. But do you consider the fanatic extrems that target civilians to be true muslims?
02-21-2005, 10:47 AM #39Member
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Now im saying most . I know there are a small % out there that try hard to live thier lives in what they percieve to be 'the right way'.
To johan about taking sides ....
1John 5:19 :
"The world is lying in the power off the wicked one . We have a wrestling , not agianst blood and flesh , but agianst...the world rulers of this darkness , agianst the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places . "
Eph 6:12 :
"Expressions inspired by demons.....go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth , to gather them together to the war of the great day of god the almighty . "
Satan rules this world and the governments . Jesus says to stay out of the affairs of the world . That means the USA also .
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02-21-2005, 11:18 AM #40Originally Posted by O.fO.shO
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