Thread: Modern life.......
03-01-2005, 09:25 PM #1
Recently read an article where it is stated that technological advances have not made people happier......in fact they are LESS happy. The term was "hedonistic adaptation" I believe.......comments?
I know I get frustrated by buying something and having it obsolete in 6 months or less........
03-01-2005, 11:57 PM #2Originally Posted by Badgerman
Then you won't be as frustrated
03-02-2005, 12:02 AM #3
It would actually be nice to get the kids out from behind the dam video games. Give em a stick a ball and tell em you'll see em for dinner. Everybody would be happier.
03-02-2005, 01:07 AM #4
Think about things such as fast food, soda, candy everywhere you go, microwaves and things like that. People are so fat these days and it is all about the convenience of eating. I really doubt anyone who is fat would not want to be in shape.
03-02-2005, 01:35 AM #5New Member
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I'm sure its true. Just look at how many people is depressed, frustrated, etc
Their goals in life may be too material. like haveing the last tecnology
But i hate when people use the word Hedonistic as referring to obtain material pleasures just because few people talked about sensible hedonism. in fact its not. In real hedonism the proposal is rather to use the reason to examine in a serene and careful way the benefit or the damage that are consequence of each of our longings and actions. The thing is to be intelligent in the search of pleasures and in avoiding of pains, of something like that like a “arithmetic of the pleasure”: it is necessary to make a calculation of the pleasures and the pains that are continued of the realization of a desire. The most valuable pleasures are the pure or not blended with pains, and they cannot be identified with momentary pleasures but with those that commit durable states of the soul. As consequence of the rational valuation of the pleasures and the pains. In fact Epicureism ended up recommending those “pleasures of the soul” (as the conversation among friends), before those “pleasures of the body”, and a life of moderation in the passions.
in hedonism (epicureist) there are 3 categories of "pleasures"
1.the natural and necessary: to eat, to drink, to feed; they are easy to satisfy;
2. the natural but not necessary: as the erotic ones; they are not difficult to dominate and they are not needed for the happiness;
3. those that are not natural neither necessary; it is necessary to reject them completely. here we could have all the tecnology, fashion stuff, etc
03-02-2005, 01:38 AM #6New Member
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of course this has to adapt tu modern day life. but its just the idea.
03-02-2005, 03:52 AM #7
Well to put it like this. I wouldnt want to live 100 years ago. Atleast now no children are forced to work in cole mines(atleast not in the civilised parts of the world). Poverty is much less. Previously deadly diseases are now easily cured.
If we lived 100 years ago we wouldnt even have the oppertunity to bich about modern day technology we would be some god **** farmer(no offense to farmers) or other hard worker with crap pay wasting his life with a occupation that can lead to no better life for you or your family. Stuck with the same **** generation after generation. Nowdays everyone can get a education and go as far as he like.
The reason people are unhappy now is that we all have to much time to think. Most feel that life is pointless ect. If they where out busting there asses on the cotton fields they would be to god **** tired when they get home to think about life.
Also previously even comon man could marvel at science and explorers. Everyone back then probably feelt that the human race is advancing and going to grand new places.
Nowdays science is so complex that comon man doesnt understand **** and the days of exploring is over until someone decided to realy put money into space again.
03-02-2005, 09:19 AM #8
But, the point is, even though NOW those things seem outrageous......back then it was the norm and people might have been happier. Maybe we were better off just living to 50 years old or so. A hard short life is a hell of a lot less boring.
03-02-2005, 09:40 AM #9Originally Posted by Badgerman
Well by all means move to sibiria and live the hard life and then come back in a year and tell us if it was less boring or just horrible
If people where happier back then I think it was because family acctualy did mean something. That townspeople cared for eachother. That people acctualy helped eachother. No one was a anonymous person in a huge crowd. There was a bigger feeling of "belonging" somewhere. I hear this alot from arabs that moves to sweden. That people in the arab countries are happier(even thought the ****ty conditions) because family and friends take care of eachother there.
But does technology=less family connection or are there other things influencing the lack of compassion nowdays? I think that is the big question!!
I think what is the major problem is that we from our birth is stuffed with the fact that if you arent best you are nothing that makes most unhappy. It makes people competetive. It prevents close bonds cause everyone is a potential competitior. Now I sound like some leftis wuss lol but thats what I think.
03-02-2005, 09:51 AM #10
Badger, I agree with you on every point you have made on this thread. I cancelled my dish tv yesterday. I am freaking out, it was quiet at home. I actually read something!
03-02-2005, 10:02 AM #11Originally Posted by 1victor
This is some scary sh1t!!!!!
03-02-2005, 11:16 AM #12
I've always been kind of a techno guy.......early adopter of HDTV.......digital video cam.....cell phones ....etc etc.......but I'm about to unhook.
I've found myself spending much less time outside enjoying fishing, skiing, horses, etc.
And alot more time fighting with wires, cell phone companies, computer problems, etc.
One guy I met on a dive trip does not even own a computer. He was an extremely happy person. I'm finding technology change not only frustrating but a time waster and impacting my health in a negative way.
Also, I believe the quest for ever increasing efficiency is harming the average worker. They just had a show on discovery I believe showing the GPS units in trucks at a mine.......it showed their every move at all times......really stressed the drivers.
Just wish the pace of life would slow a little......I believe we would all be happier.....comments??
03-02-2005, 11:24 AM #13
I am with you Bro, 100%. I wish be could or would take a step back and re-evaluate everything. I find very few benefits of modern technology. Everything that was relevant to comfort has been around for over 50 years. How much is enough? When does it stop? All it does is clutter up and complicate everyday life. Dish tv and Blockbuster went yesterday, cell phones are gone by the end of the week. I am trying this for 90 days.
03-02-2005, 11:30 AM #14
Funny thing is I live right at the beach. So how often do I go for a bike ride with the kids or wife??? How about just a little walk??? That's right rarely. The pace of life is so dam fast. When we are spending time at the beach or in the mountains etc...The family is happier, we get along better. I have started to leave my cell phone in the car! It is for work. I am limiting my time on here to daytime at work,hehehe and no more than 45 min or so at home at night if the family is there. We are trying to stay away from the tube as well. We'll have to keep each other updated.
03-02-2005, 11:37 AM #15Originally Posted by johan
good post johan!
03-02-2005, 12:01 PM #16Originally Posted by 1victor
I think that all these things not only act to overly complicate our lives......but they are EXPENSIVE......our possessions end up owning us.
I mean......jeez......I come in the house after work and my kids butt is plopped in front of the TV.......same with the wife........barely a hello......
I KNOW I've got to make some changes.......
03-02-2005, 12:04 PM #17
I feel it too, my marriage and family is suffering. That is why I am doing this, something has to change , pluse I'm gonna save $350.oo a month on those 3 things alone!
03-02-2005, 12:10 PM #18
Hey Badger, Vic,
Move here to beach, leave the wives. We'll get a Batchelor pad at the beach, we could argue all the time. We wouldn't even need a computer. We could be like the other old guys hittin on the young chicks!!!! Do you think we would have any money left after alimony and child support tho?????
03-02-2005, 12:11 PM #19
man the scary thing is I would of you were serious!
03-02-2005, 12:14 PM #20
LOL....sad thing is as I was typing I was thinking, what if they say OK! Would I be happier or miserable. With Badger around I think I'd get laid more!!!! LOL
03-02-2005, 12:16 PM #21
See we would all have a role. Badger would be the sensitive caring one. I would be the angry one. And you would be the comedian!
03-02-2005, 12:22 PM #22Originally Posted by 1victor
Dont you have room for chicks? or is this a secret mens club....
03-02-2005, 12:24 PM #23
Yes but they are only sleep over guests, none will even be allowed to keep a toothbrush on premesis!
03-02-2005, 12:26 PM #24Originally Posted by 1victor
03-02-2005, 12:37 PM #25
They can leave nothing! AND no sleep overs. Do your bidniss and get em out. That way if you drank too much the night before we do not have to deal with the results of your indulgence.
ONLY exception is 23 year old strippers named Candy with Platinum blonde hair and dd's!!!!!!!!!
03-02-2005, 12:38 PM #26
Who am I kidding. If we found a Candy one of us old shleps would have a stroke. lol
03-02-2005, 12:44 PM #27
I am up for a stoke, an upstroke!
03-02-2005, 12:47 PM #28Originally Posted by 1victor
03-02-2005, 12:49 PM #29
Big I think I am losing my mind........it has finally happened, I knew it would one day.
03-02-2005, 12:55 PM #30Originally Posted by 1victor
Relax, I had my satellite TV turned off over 6 months ago,
03-02-2005, 03:08 PM #31
It's funny this thread should come up...
I saw a show on PBS not too long ago on that very subject... families basically "disconnecting" from the fast paced world.
Some just dropping a few "excesses", others going completely luddite. All of them becoming smarter (and more frugal) consumers. Funny thing is that they all seemed happy.
What impressed me most was that in many cases, by reducing their consumerism their requirement for money and high stress high paying jobs was lowered. In many cases they were able to drop high stress jobs and for a bit less money, get jobs they truly loved.
One family impressed me... they're from Vancouver: mom, dad, son, 2 daughters... they went from a massive house, 3 cars, every electronic gizmo possible and 2 14 hours a day jobs.... to a smaller house, 1 car, 1 TV in the family room, no video games, more thrifty in their shopping and only dad works now, 8 hours a day in a job he loves. Mom is a homemaker and volunteers at the youth center. At the end of the month they have more money leftover than they ever had and the state of their mental and physical health has improved.
I was watching that show and looking around my condo... 2 people live in there (my kid and I), we got 3 TV's, home theatre, 3 computers, he has a PS2 in his room, every electronic gadget in the book, and I ask myself... do we need all that cräp?
This is a good thread.
03-02-2005, 03:13 PM #32
Yes it is very timely for me that's for sure.
03-02-2005, 04:04 PM #33
Then I guess we can say that technology isnt bad. Its the fact that we crave it so much that makes it bad. I once again blame it on how we are raised and thought from childhood. Only the best is good enough(especialy when it comes to electronic things) ect ect ect. Friends competing on who has the best computer, the nicest tv, the biggest car.
Technology can be both good and bad. But technology itself is neither. Its how we use it that determins.
I can honestly say that internet has made my life so much richer. Im kind of a lone wolf and this is the best way for me to socialise with alot of people. Sounds phatetic yeah but even without the net I wouldnt socialise more. I would probably just read more or watch more tv. Now I have this golden oppertunity to talk to countless numbers of people from my own home.
I also aggre that time effectiveness is killing us. Everything needs to be done quick. Preferably yesterday. Stress makes us all ****ed upp. I can honestly not understand the people that rather take a high pay job they hate then to take a medium income job they love.... Is gadgets realy THAT important to some people
03-02-2005, 04:10 PM #34
Wow.....this topic touched a nerve......I'll join in more a little later.......real busy right now.......
03-02-2005, 07:28 PM #35
I have been studying behavioural economics for awhile now. It's interesting to speak to others about the subject becuase unlike so many academic topics, this one actually affects us in our everyday lives.
'Happiness' is a funny beast and you will find that you get a myriad of answers if you ask different people to define it. IMO happiness is only function of how we percieve ourselves ni relation to our peers. Essentially, this means you will tend to be more happy if you percieve yourself to be better off than your peers, or at least rank well into the better half of the pack. Now, in a world where you come into contact with and communicate via electronic means with an ever increasing number of people, you will likely believe that your place on the ladder is falling. This is only fair to assume, as the ladder gets larger and larger it will be increasingly difficult to retain your 'rank' much in the same way it's easier to be a high school all-star than it is to go All-State. IMO, the whole declining happiness problem that arises from this is becasue people too easily buy into what they are sold. Don't underestimate the power of media and advertising. OK I'll stop rambling now and recommend a couple of good reads if anyone has any further interest in the subject:
The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less by Barry Schwartz
Affluenza: The All-Consuming Epidemic
Google 'Prospect Theory': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_theory
03-02-2005, 10:01 PM #36
I think we are living in a lazy society.
Here, in 1998 when we had the super ice storm and we were stuck for weeks without electricity it was hell on earth, now imagine us poor western dudes without our hot water, our couches, tv and lights!!!!!
03-03-2005, 04:29 AM #37Originally Posted by chicamahomico
In the study I read(wich probably has no meaning I bet you have read alot more then me lol just want to throw in my oppinion)money and intelligence
had no effect on happines. I dont remember if they checked physical fitness. But what was meaningfull was religion and stable marriage.
To be happines is generaly how satisifed a person is with his/hers life in general. On how that individual perceive negative and positive things in his/her life. Those that are opptimistic by nature can stay happy during great struggles while those pessimistic is miserable when everything is good.
03-03-2005, 04:41 AM #38
I agree with u johan, just look at central america-ppl are very happy according to studies, much happier as the wealthy west. wealth and and technology can ease the life, but will never make as happy as friendship, a stable marriage/relationship and a large family.
03-03-2005, 08:48 AM #39
I know a guy who flew float planes for a lodge in Chile......he said the whole mindset of the people was totally different than the US. Their lives revolved around family and money played a very tertiary role. He found it really refreshing......plus he stated the women were totally beautiful.
03-03-2005, 08:53 AM #40
Family? What's that? I remember when we were kids we always had big family gatherings and were excited to see everyone. Now the gatherings never happen and when they do people get resentment over having to show up.
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