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    Is Sinn Fein a legit political party?

    And does it have strong connections to IRA.

    If it is a legit political party then why is it more legit then hezbollah(sp?)? Doesnt both have strong ties to what is considered terrorism

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    Oh boy here we go...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    Oh boy here we go...................
    seriously I have no clue about anything concering either IRA or Hezbolla so Im not trying to prove a point or anything like that. Just curiosity

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    And does it have strong connections to IRA.

    If it is a legit political party then why is it more legit then hezbollah(sp?)? Doesnt both have strong ties to what is considered terrorism
    Yes, its the political wing of the IRA, an Irish militia army fighting for a free and undivided 32 county Ireland. Free from British rule.

    They don't have any connections with Hezbollah, but both are considered terrorist organisations. But thats where the similarity ends. The IRA are not against a free society, just an Irish society free from British occupation. Where Hezbollah are funded by Iran and Syria the IRA gets its funds by various legitimate organisations around the world, mostly in the USA.

    Every country and its people has a right to defend its against a foreign aggressor. The IRA exercise's that right, taking its fight to the British army and Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI). The military actions are not seen here in Ireland as terrorist actions, however attacks against civilians and attacks on the British mainland are. Just as I don't see Hezbollah actions against the IDF in Lebanon or Iraqi insurgent attacks against the US (and other) occupation army in Iraq.

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    well said Bouncer

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    Well first you have to understand a wee bit the Irish politics (totally boring).
    First you need to know the difference between Sinn Fein from Northern Ireland that seats at the Northern Irish parliement and the Sinn Fein of the Irish Republic

    Yes in theory, Sinn Fein has some links to the PIRA (Provos AKA the Provisional Irish Republican Army) but they are mostly ideological and not very related in term of the same organisation. Sinn Fein was present a long time before the Citizen Army / IRA was formed.

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    Oh I forgot, also you must know that the loyalist unionist parties have more ties with the loyalist paramilitary.

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    U.S.: IRA must disband now

    Demand follows group's offer to shoot Catholic man's killers

    BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man.

    "It's time for the IRA to go out of business," U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday.

    For the IRA's political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland's biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials.

    Reiss told BBC radio: "It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated.

    "You can't sign up for the rule of law a la carte."

    The IRA's offer -- also condemned by London and Dublin -- handed fresh ammunition to Protestant rivals who say Sinn Fein is not fit for government until the Irish Republican Army disarms and disbands.

    The killing of Robert McCartney by a gang including IRA members has plunged the IRA and Sinn Fein into crisis -- coming just weeks after the guerrilla group was blamed for a £26.5 million ($50 million) bank raid in central Belfast.

    London and Dublin say there can be no progress on restoring the British-ruled province's regional government -- set up under a 1998 peace deal to share power between divided Protestants and Catholics -- until the issue of IRA criminality is resolved.

    Home rule was suspended in 2002 when unionists, who support ties to Britain, said they would no longer sit in government with Sinn Fein until the IRA got rid of the weapons which sustained its three-decade campaign against British rule.

    "It is their declared intent to murder," said hardline Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley in response to the IRA move. "The Sinn Fein/IRA commitment to terror and criminality is total."

    Bar fight
    McCartney, a 33-year-old forklift truck driver, was beaten and stabbed to death in a bar fight at the end of January.

    His family, who hail from a working class Catholic district considered an IRA heartland, have mounted a vociferous campaign for the killers to be brought to justice, accusing the IRA of intimidating witnesses and cleaning the bar of evidence.

    The United States has already signaled its displeasure with the political stagnation in the province by failing to invite the leaders of Sinn Fein and the other Northern Ireland political parties to the White House for St. Patrick's Day celebrations this month.

    In a statement released on Tuesday, the IRA said it had held a five-and-a-half hour meeting with the dead man's sisters and fiancee, during which it "stated in clear terms that the IRA was prepared to shoot the people directly involved."

    The family rejected the offer, saying they wanted the killers brought to court.

    The IRA did not spell out whether it intended to kill or wound the suspects, but Northern Ireland's police chief Hugh Orde said he had no doubt the offer was to assassinate them.

    "We are not in the business of applauding or being impressed by illegal organizations' statements," he told the BBC.

    "We have to remember that it was IRA members who killed Mr. McCartney, it was IRA members who destroyed the evidence and it was IRA members who threatened and intimidated the witnesses."

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    The IRA are not against a free society, just an Irish society free from British occupation. Where Hezbollah are funded by Iran and Syria the IRA gets its funds by various legitimate organisations around the world, mostly in the USA.
    The US doesnt fund the IRA.

    And Hizbollah is not against a free society. They just want a Arab society free of Israeli occupation.

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    The US does NOT fund the IRA, however most funds are raised from the "Irish" in areas such as Boston and NYC.

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    Where the fcuking hell did I even suggest the US funds the IRA?. I said they got the monies from legitimate organisations around the world, most in the USA. I didn't say the US government funded the IRA.

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    LOL funds for the IRA comes

    from

    1- NY
    2- Boston
    3- Liverpool
    4- London
    5- Glascow
    6- Sydney
    7- Toronto
    8- South Africa


    During the 70's and the 80's lot of the money came from the USSR via Libya.
    And the US should mind of their own ****ing business, like His Honorable David Trimble that said "The american people should understand not to interfere with the internal affairs of Northern Ireland". Maybe they should ask the UDF, UFF, UVF, Apprentice, the Orange orders, the red hand commando, the Shankill road brigade, the UDR to first give their weapons.

    pissing me off, ****ing hyprocrisy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    U.S.: IRA must disband now

    Demand follows group's offer to shoot Catholic man's killers

    BELFAST, Northern Ireland (Reuters) -- The United States has demanded that the IRA disband after the guerrilla group's astonishing offer to shoot the killers of a murdered Northern Ireland Catholic man.

    "It's time for the IRA to go out of business," U.S. special envoy Mitchell Reiss said Wednesday.

    For the IRA's political ally Sinn Fein, Northern Ireland's biggest Irish nationalist party, the U.S. demand was yet another blow to its democratic credentials.

    Reiss told BBC radio: "It's time for Sinn Fein to be able to say explicitly, without ambiguity, without ambivalence, that criminality will not be tolerated.

    "You can't sign up for the rule of law a la carte."

    The IRA's offer -- also condemned by London and Dublin -- handed fresh ammunition to Protestant rivals who say Sinn Fein is not fit for government until the Irish Republican Army disarms and disbands.

    The killing of Robert McCartney by a gang including IRA members has plunged the IRA and Sinn Fein into crisis -- coming just weeks after the guerrilla group was blamed for a £26.5 million ($50 million) bank raid in central Belfast.

    London and Dublin say there can be no progress on restoring the British-ruled province's regional government -- set up under a 1998 peace deal to share power between divided Protestants and Catholics -- until the issue of IRA criminality is resolved.

    Home rule was suspended in 2002 when unionists, who support ties to Britain, said they would no longer sit in government with Sinn Fein until the IRA got rid of the weapons which sustained its three-decade campaign against British rule.

    "It is their declared intent to murder," said hardline Democratic Unionist Party leader Ian Paisley in response to the IRA move. "The Sinn Fein/IRA commitment to terror and criminality is total."

    Bar fight
    McCartney, a 33-year-old forklift truck driver, was beaten and stabbed to death in a bar fight at the end of January.

    His family, who hail from a working class Catholic district considered an IRA heartland, have mounted a vociferous campaign for the killers to be brought to justice, accusing the IRA of intimidating witnesses and cleaning the bar of evidence.

    The United States has already signaled its displeasure with the political stagnation in the province by failing to invite the leaders of Sinn Fein and the other Northern Ireland political parties to the White House for St. Patrick's Day celebrations this month.

    In a statement released on Tuesday, the IRA said it had held a five-and-a-half hour meeting with the dead man's sisters and fiancee, during which it "stated in clear terms that the IRA was prepared to shoot the people directly involved."

    The family rejected the offer, saying they wanted the killers brought to court.

    The IRA did not spell out whether it intended to kill or wound the suspects, but Northern Ireland's police chief Hugh Orde said he had no doubt the offer was to assassinate them.

    "We are not in the business of applauding or being impressed by illegal organizations' statements," he told the BBC.

    "We have to remember that it was IRA members who killed Mr. McCartney, it was IRA members who destroyed the evidence and it was IRA members who threatened and intimidated the witnesses."

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html
    All that being said, the US government would better spend its time and energies demanding a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland like it has done with Syria in Lebanon. While there was probably IRA members involved in the assault on Mr.McCartney they were in an active service unit when he was killed. It was a bar room brawl with unfortunetly resulted in a mans death, no more no less. But recently both governments have hardly missed an oppertunity to 'blacken' the name of Sinn Fein and the IRA. All this comes in light of Sinn Fein being the only party to have made gains in location, national and European elections in the last 10 yrs, in short, both governments are running scared of Sinn Fein.

    If the US government isn't going to demand a British withdrawal from Northern ireland and help bring about proper democracy here they should butt out of our affairs and let us sort ourselves out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    All that being said, the US government would better spend its time and energies demanding a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland like it has done with Syria in Lebanon. While there was probably IRA members involved in the assault on Mr.McCartney they were in an active service unit when he was killed. It was a bar room brawl with unfortunetly resulted in a mans death, no more no less. But recently both governments have hardly missed an oppertunity to 'blacken' the name of Sinn Fein and the IRA. All this comes in light of Sinn Fein being the only party to have made gains in location, national and European elections in the last 10 yrs, in short, both governments are running scared of Sinn Fein.

    If the US government isn't going to demand a British withdrawal from Northern ireland and help bring about proper democracy here they should butt out of our affairs and let us sort ourselves out.
    as I have always said sometimes war and resistance is necessary for justice and freedom. Sinn Fein's Adams seems to be turning his back on the IRA. people think the IRA is dead they are wrong. these sob's will rise again. no one can dismantle the IRA ever not even Sinn Fein.

    my hometown is cavan, Ireland. Havent been there in a while.


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    breaking news.


    Sinn Fein's Adams Says IRA May Cease to Exist


    http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...H-ADAMS-DC.XML

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    Thanks Rock. The IRA will NEVER be defeated, not by anyone.

    A Cavan man!... Good IRA land up there!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Thanks Rock. The IRA will NEVER be defeated, not by anyone.

    A Cavan man!... Good IRA land up there!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
    shut up, here a song!

    Seo dhibh, acháirde duan Óglaigh,
    Cathréimeach briomhar ceolmhar,
    Ár dtinte cnámh go buacach táid,
    'S an spéir go min réaltogach,
    Is fonnmhar faobhrachsinn chun gleo,
    'S go tiúnmhar glé roimh thíocht do'n ló,
    Fé chiúnaschaomh na hoiche ar seol:
    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.



    Sinnne Fianna Fáil atá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
    Buion dár slua thar toinn do ráinig chugainn
    Fémhóid bheith saor. Seantír ár sinsir feasta
    Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil.
    Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
    Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
    Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar,
    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

    Cois bánta réidhe, ar árdaibh sléibhe,
    Ba bhuachach ár sinsir romhainn,
    Ag lámhach go tréan fé'n sár-bhrat séin
    Tá thuas sa ghaoith go seolta.
    Ba dhúchas riamh d'ár gcine cháidh
    Gan iompáil siar ó imirt áir,
    'S ag siúl mar iad i gcoinne námhad
    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.



    A bhuión nách fann d'fhuil Ghaeil is Gall,
    Sin breacadh lae na saoirse,
    Ta scéimhle 's scanradh i gcroíthe namhad,
    Roimh ranna laochra ár dtire.
    Ár dtinte is tréith gan spréach anois,
    Sin luisne ghlé san spéir anoir,
    'S an bíobha i raon na bpiléar agaibh:
    Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.


    IRA the undefeated Army with adorable, enjoyable, fun loving volunteers!
    and handsome ladies too

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER
    Where the fcuking hell did I even suggest the US funds the IRA?. I said they got the monies from legitimate organisations around the world, most in the USA. I didn't say the US government funded the IRA.
    Just an issue of prepositions- getting funding "from" and getting funding "in" a given country have quite different meanings. As far as funds coming from inside the US, absolutely- the IRA, SF and most of those groups have balls and fund raising parties along the east coast- they occur quite frequently.
    After they amass funds- they are off to the Algerians, Moroccans, Palestinians, reminants of the BMG/RAF to purchase weapons and explosives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOUNCER

    Never argue with a terrorist kid!

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