Thread: To christians, jews, muslims
03-15-2005, 02:11 PM #1
To christians, jews, muslims
Lets say you find the most perfect wife/husband and you get 2 children. EVERYTHING is absolutely perfect except the fact that your wife/husband and your children doesnt share your belife. But in all other ways they are the kindest most caring people in the world.
because you belive in your religion you know they are doomed to eternal suffering in hell. Would you still think that is fair knowing the people you love will be in hell while you are enjoying heaven. Or would you be upset with god for making such rules
03-15-2005, 02:12 PM #2
pray for them
03-15-2005, 02:18 PM #3
This is the concept that only one religion is true, and all others are false. All religions without exceptions believe without hesitation that they are the true religion, and only they will be welcome at the gates, while all others are turned away.
The vanity, and intolerance involved in organized religion is exactly what drives me away. Stay true to yourself, be a good person, and treat others with respect, that is the way to get into heaven with all your loved ones.
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03-15-2005, 02:19 PM #4Originally Posted by Will Power
03-15-2005, 02:47 PM #5Originally Posted by johan
But your sins have made a separation between you and your God," Isaiah 59:2. And, "the wages of sin is death." Rom. 6:23. So, to sin, to break God's law, results in a judgment. The judgment is known as ****ation which is the righteous judgment of God upon the sinner. If God did not judge the sinner, then He is not upholding His holiness.
Of course, Jesus came to take out place and die for our sins 1 Pet. 2:24. This means that Jesus bore our sin in His body on the cross and supernaturally paid for them. This further means that anyone who trusts in what Jesus did on the cross will have his sins removed; he will be saved from God's future judgment.
Anyway, answering the question "What is sin?" is best answered by stating that it is breaking God's law. All people have sinned. Therefore, all people are under God's judgment except for those who've trusted in God's provision to escape that judgment which God will carry out.
03-15-2005, 02:51 PM #6Originally Posted by Will Power
You cant use your feelings to decide what is true.
All religions donot believe there religion is the only true one.
03-15-2005, 02:56 PM #7Associate Member
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03-15-2005, 03:00 PM #8Originally Posted by books555
My point is could you enjoy heaving knowing all your loved ones are burning in agonazing pain forever and ever and ever just because they didnt belive in the same god as you
03-15-2005, 03:05 PM #9Originally Posted by johan
Believe it or not, I am the only person in my family who has come to Christ. I dont believe it because I like all of it, I believe it because it is true.
03-15-2005, 03:07 PM #10Originally Posted by books555
03-15-2005, 03:15 PM #11
My fiance and I are going through this exact scenario right now. She thinks I'm gonna burn in hell for eternity b/c I don't have faith. I'm a good person. I can't see how God would turn me away simply b/c I don't have faith.
03-15-2005, 03:20 PM #12Originally Posted by johan
Hereafter, and 3) leading a righteous life.
I wouldnt marry someone that doesnt have the same belief as me though.
03-15-2005, 05:11 PM #13
Assume my wife was not christian and I was. I dont know that my wife will or will not become christian. Perhaps thru my influence and teaching, she'd become a christian. I admit it would be a sad day for me if she were to die and not be a christian. But, to be honest, no matter how much it sucks, that is how it must be. I wouldnt be mad at God. He didnt make the decision. It was my wife's decision to make. It says in the bible families will be torn apart. Brother will be against brother. Some will go to heaven, some to hell. Its a reality we have to live with. my wife is 2nd to me...just as I am 2nd to her. God is numero uno.
03-15-2005, 05:12 PM #14Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Try to picture a scenario where your kids would grow upp and become atheist or deist or buddhist or anything except beliving in the islamic god. Would you enjoy heaven knowing your children is burning in hell even though they are good people, there only flaw beeing not beliving in allah
03-15-2005, 05:15 PM #15Originally Posted by max2extreme
So you could enjoy heaven even with the knoweledge that the person most dear to you is in hell
God didnt make the decision but he made the rules...
03-15-2005, 05:16 PM #16My fiance and I are going through this exact scenario right now. She thinks I'm gonna burn in hell for eternity b/c I don't have faith. I'm a good person. I can't see how God would turn me away simply b/c I don't have faith.
03-15-2005, 05:21 PM #17Originally Posted by johan
03-15-2005, 05:24 PM #18Originally Posted by johan
03-15-2005, 05:34 PM #19Originally Posted by ZOAIB
Not trying to pain belivers as cold hearted btw. Might come across that way.
I just know that me personaly I could not stand such a situation. I would find no comfort in heaven if my loved ones where in hell.
03-15-2005, 06:19 PM #20Originally Posted by XxElitexX
I take some issue with your statement. What about all of the people of the earth who have never even heard of Jesus Christ? Do they get a one way ticket to hell simply because the have not accepted Jesus as their savior? People inhabited this planet for hundreds of thousands of years prior to Jesus even being on earth. All of them in hell to?? Seems like it's probably pretty crowded down their right now huh?
03-15-2005, 09:30 PM #21Originally Posted by ZOAIB
03-15-2005, 10:02 PM #22Originally Posted by johan
Everyone does their time for being bad. Like jail, you do your time and go onto heaven. And heaven has like 500 levels.
So you do your time and go onto a level of heaven.
Again dont take my word for it, I havent read that much about this topic.
03-15-2005, 11:55 PM #23
Well let's put it in this situation suppose your spouse that you love so much beyond anything commits a very terrible crime all of the sudden like say robbing a bank and killing everyone there including women and childern and he or she doesn't repent and ends up in hell and you are in heaven would you still feel guilty a sin is a sin regardless the idea is to set an example to your spouse on what Christ really did for us and hope and pray to God himself that he will guild him or her to the right path.
Of course you could eliminate this problem by finding someone with the same beliefs as you,if you believe in Christ then find someone who also believes in Christ,if you beleive in Muslim beliefs then find someone who is Muslim so forth and so on.
03-16-2005, 06:16 AM #24Originally Posted by johan
03-16-2005, 06:18 AM #25Originally Posted by JdJuicer
03-16-2005, 06:23 AM #26Originally Posted by talltanman
You are talking about 2 different groups of people here. those before jesus and those who have no knowledge at all. for those before jesus, they got to heaven by accepting God as he revealed himself. He hadnt revealed himself in Jesus yet, but he had revealed himself.
2nd, the people who have never heard of jesus or God. This group of people, let me first straight up say, I dont know. I dont think these people go to hell. just like children who dont have the knowledge but die,i dont think they go to hell, but i honestly dont know. BUT for the people who have never heard of jesus, christianity, or the bible, perhaps God HAS revealed himself to them somehow. We would never know. IMO, I dont think they are d*mned because of no opportunities.
03-16-2005, 06:56 AM #27Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
03-16-2005, 07:39 AM #28Originally Posted by johan
03-16-2005, 07:54 AM #29Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
in christianity there is a definate choice. not everyone goes to heaven. to me, to believe that everyone goes to heaven is another way of saying 'live how you want, nothing matters, because in the end, sure you'll go to hell for a period of time, but everyone does, but then you'll be in heaven for eternity. now if you arent really really good, you wont get 20 virgins, but hey, you still get 2'.
heaven is spending eternity with God. everything else people say heaven is is just worldly desires. i look forward to a life without sin, without worldly desires, with God.
03-16-2005, 09:47 AM #30Originally Posted by books555
I don't believe this to be opinion, but actual religious teachings. Of the major organized religions, being Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and all the different flavors within. Each considers itself the one true religion, and considers all others false, infidels, pagans, nonbelievers, and so on....In most cases banning the individual from Heaven, and other holy gifts.
So as Will did say this is arrogant, vein, and quite intolerant.
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03-16-2005, 10:00 AM #31Writer
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If my girl isn't there, then it's not heaven.
ALso, I love how Gallelio was excommunicated (banned from heaven by the Pope) for saying the sun was at the center of the universe. OOps...
03-16-2005, 12:27 PM #32Originally Posted by hooker
Thats the work of man, not the work of God.
03-16-2005, 01:26 PM #33Originally Posted by hooker
03-16-2005, 07:57 PM #34Originally Posted by hooker
I dont know the answer to it though.
03-16-2005, 08:11 PM #35
The Quran says everyone sees Hell, muslims or not.
[19:71] Every single one of you must see it; this is an irrevocable decision of your Lord.
[19:72] Then we rescue the righteous, and leave the transgressors in it, humiliated.
03-16-2005, 08:12 PM #36Originally Posted by max2extreme
I really dont know.
There are scholars from 1000 years ago, to today, that say Hell will eventually be empty. And there are some that say Hell is eternal, its a complex sujbect.
03-17-2005, 03:57 PM #37Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
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