Thread: The real threat to the world
04-14-2005, 05:44 PM #1
The real threat to the world
As the author I also think the oil peak will be the biggest threat to the world. That site is a very interesting read. But I hope its a bit to pessimistic
04-14-2005, 08:22 PM #2
Oil is so important people usually forget it.
The world is like a car, and oil is like the petrol that runs the car.
Without oil the world, especially the West would stop.
People have been saying the Oil reserves would run out by this date, and that date, but it never has happened.
At the rate of production in 2003, OPEC's oil reserves are sufficient to last more than 90 years, while non-OPEC oil producers' reserves might last less than 20 years.
If only the Muslim world was united, they could curb the production of oil, and charge more for this limited resource. Instead of getting ripped off, and selling oil for a cheap price to nations because if they dont, they will get invaded.
This is one of the reasons the USSR gave independence to its old sattelite states, but not Chechnya and Dagestan, because Chechnya has oil reserves.
04-14-2005, 08:48 PM #3Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
That's the major reason why they don't raise the price up to $200 a barrel.
04-14-2005, 09:09 PM #4
OIL is outdated by 100 years! We dont need it, we have alternative since decades but we are getting f**ked in the ass by majors, oil, chemical and car compagnies!
We have the technologies to use other, eco friendly ressources but we dont!
Everyone is getting raped, from the Middle Eastern dude, to the guy putting 60$ of gas in his SUV(like me!) to the engineer developing an electric engine.
04-14-2005, 09:28 PM #5Originally Posted by Tock
Think about it, every house in the U.S would have to change the way their house is heated or how their car is run.
What happens to the millions of car and other machinery that uses oil and gas?
Billions of these products would be of no use no more, if another form of energy is found.
Cars that run on gas, cannot become a car that runs on electricity. You would have to throw out your car, and buy a new one.
A shift from one energy source to another, if possible, will take hundreds of years.
And since OPEC reasearch has said oil will run out in 90 years, my plan seems like a good plan. For my people.
04-14-2005, 09:29 PM #6Originally Posted by 3VandooOriginally Posted by 3Vandoo
Why dont you buy a hybrid car?
04-14-2005, 09:45 PM #7Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Lots of houses are heated with electricity generated by coal, a few more with nuclear power plants, and lots more with natural gas. Ya, the folks in New England would have big problems, since so many of them rely on imported fuel oil for heat.
As far as cars, well, over a period of 50 years or so, a complete change in transportation and housing could be made. It would be expensive, but probably lots cheaper than oil at $100 a barrel, or paying for expensive wars to keep middle east oil flowing . . .
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
China did that, and now they have lots of smart engineers and businessmen making lots of money. But, unfortunately for the Arab people, the orthodox religious leaders are going to make sure their people don't get educated, and that means when the oil income dries up, they will become poor again, like Ethiopia.
In any event, America will change, the Arab nations will change, the planet will change, and lots of people are going to be unhappy the way things go. C'est la vie . . .
04-14-2005, 10:05 PM #8Originally Posted by Tock
Look at the Arab/Islamic world before oil was discovered, it was the success of the world.
04-14-2005, 10:24 PM #9Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
I DONT FIT in 99% OF THE CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04-15-2005, 12:08 AM #10Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
04-15-2005, 05:10 AM #11Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
90 years sounds very optimistic considering almost all of the world seems to aggre on how much usable oil is left in the world. Also keep in mind china and india! They are growing **** fast. The western worlds need for oil has stabilised and is accutaly shrinking a bit. But china and indias demand is growing so astronomicly fast that its insane.
Caucasian read through that page with a open mind and then look upp things like the huber curve(he accuratly predicted usa's peak 30 something years in advanced, everyone laughed at him but he got the last laugh).
Then look upp the Olduvai Curve they are almost identical but the Olduvai Curve predicts the energy consumption of the world and according to that one we are going to collaps and the consumption in 2030 will be as low as it was 1930. In other worlds a breakdown of the civiliasation as we know it.
Gosh I hope they crack the god **** fusion nut very quickly. Since we alread have fusion research plant that output as much energy as we put in we are SO close. Just need more cash and less arguing(the nations involved cant decide if the new bigger one should be built in japan or france, I think europe should be a obvious choise since there are no natural disasters in france) and then we wont need the ****ing oil anymore
04-15-2005, 05:11 AM #12
04-15-2005, 05:18 AM #13
but I acctualy dont realy aggre with the doomsday prophecies and farmer village theories. Even if oil gets to such low levels that we will lose most of our energy I think we will be able to quickly adapt to smaller, more efficent technologies. The countries with lots of nuclear and water power will have huge advantages(sweden for instance ). Just aslong as we find out a way to maintain everything functioning without oil driven vehicles.
04-15-2005, 05:21 AM #14
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04-15-2005, 05:40 AM #16
with these things in mind I guess we should move on to nuclear power until we can find other sources of electricity. I wonder how long the uranium deposits would last if the nuclear power plants are dubbled.
04-15-2005, 05:44 AM #17
and one last link
pzl read through the links I have posted. Its very hard to even imagine they could be right thats for sure. Way to scary to accept. Everything we have acomplished as a race will be worth nothing since we are to stubborn/cheap to replace oil. Sad
Last edited by Kärnfysikern; 04-15-2005 at 07:32 AM.
04-16-2005, 02:03 PM #18
no one cares ???
04-16-2005, 03:17 PM #19
i really dont know much about the subject to comment. i do think if oil reserves were used up, we would still survive and probably for the better. we are intelligent beings and will adapt. we would find other ways to do things. im not too terribly worried. if it gets horribly bad, i have a mtn bike for transportation, blankets to keep me warm, and we'll always be able to cook by camp fire...
04-16-2005, 03:24 PM #20
lol but where will you buy your food when the stores are abandoned? where will you get medicin when your kids get sick? read the links bro. The more that is aware the better it is.
04-16-2005, 05:30 PM #21Senior Member
Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
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04-16-2005, 05:44 PM #22
when i was a kid i had a comic book
put out by the government...
it had these kid superhero's
who wanted to save the earth.
it stated all the worlds supply
of oil would be gone in 10 years.
It was published in 1972.
04-17-2005, 08:33 AM #23
and your point is We have better technology, better ways to messure how much oil is left ect nowdays.
But on the positive side read a article today in a swedish science mag that stated that the oil crisis will be pushed forward atleast 20 years because of alot of alternate ways to extract oil that is on the way. Hope the world will take advantage of that extra time in a good way.
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