Thread: New pope has been elected...
04-19-2005, 11:27 AM #1
New pope has been elected...
in a few minutes we ll know who it is...
I hope it ll be someone from Middle or Southamerica and not from Europe.
04-19-2005, 11:28 AM #2Originally Posted by ***xxx***
04-19-2005, 11:47 AM #3
Joseph Ratzinger the new Pope used to be a member of the Hilter Youth when he was a teenager.
04-19-2005, 12:06 PM #4
This guy is already 78 years old,
04-19-2005, 12:10 PM #5
04-19-2005, 02:18 PM #6Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
04-19-2005, 02:19 PM #7
GERMANY IN THE HOUSE! German American here!
04-19-2005, 07:54 PM #8
im glad this guy won. the other guy seemed like he was a diplomat than a leader of the faith. this german dude is more strict as it should be. i think the other guy was way to lenient.
04-19-2005, 10:24 PM #9Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
Ya, the Inquisition changed its name in the 1870's to something like "The Holy Congregation for the (something) of the Faith." Had something to do with PR, wanting to keep its thumb on doctrinal purity while distancing itself from all the wretched violence it is guilty of.
04-19-2005, 10:26 PM #10Originally Posted by Tock
04-19-2005, 10:27 PM #11
I hope it is the balck guy so every body gets in a uproar over it and balck people throw a party, LOL
04-19-2005, 10:30 PM #12Originally Posted by abstrack
04-19-2005, 10:58 PM #13Writer
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"Vatican Idol" is over, and I didn't even get to Text in my vote...
04-19-2005, 11:14 PM #14Originally Posted by Lozgod
04-20-2005, 02:05 AM #15Originally Posted by Tock
04-20-2005, 10:28 AM #16Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
He also deserted the german army during the war when he saw what was going on.
04-20-2005, 11:14 AM #17Banned
Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
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Show me a german that during the 30s wasnt member of hitler jugend or something. We can hold someone responsible for that 50years later.
The people that should be hung on a pole are Swedish people and other countries that joined the naziparty. Like IKEA boss Ingvar Kamprad and others. They made a personal choice which is more then you can say about people in nazigermany...they had no choice.
04-20-2005, 11:26 AM #18
i read the africans (blacks) and latin members of the church are not happy with the election of another european pope ................. how about a black pope , where is the universalisim in catholics ????
04-20-2005, 12:15 PM #19
i dont agree with appointing people that arent as qualified just because of race for example. Now, i dont know how many black cardinals there are. i dont know how one becomes a cardinal and a pope, etc. but from what ive seen on tv, i dont see many black cardinals. but the fact may be there are a lot fewer blacks in that part of the catholic church. that may or may not be something the church can help. i honestly expect a european pope almost everytime. but im ignorant on the subject of 'higher ups in the catholic church and how they are voted in'. i dont see color. a black pope to me is the same as a white pope. but i dont like when people get upset like "why hasnt there been a black pope!!??" when honestly, there may not have been a black pope qualified. and that doesnt mean there is discrimination. it just mean exactly that there hasnt been a black man qualified as a pope yet.
04-20-2005, 03:29 PM #20Originally Posted by max2extreme
04-20-2005, 05:26 PM #21Originally Posted by Tock
We cant compere the inquisition with todays legal system. We have to compere it with others of that time period
04-20-2005, 06:46 PM #22Originally Posted by ZOAIB
04-20-2005, 09:32 PM #23Originally Posted by johan
As I recall, the Islamic countries around that time (1300 - 1700) were pretty good regarding justice & legal systems. Back then, Jews lived in harmony with Muslims, and were pretty much free to worship as they liked.
But in a lot of the European countries, things were set up so that
one person could accuse his neighbor of not washing his laundry on the Jewish sabbath (ya, back then if you didn't work on the Jewish sabbath, you could be convicted of practicing Judaism, and if you had been a Christian, that would be proof of heresy), then the Inquisition would arrest the alleged heretic. They wouldn't inform the victim of the charges against him, but would tell him to "Confess!" Usually the fellow would insist he was innocent of any wrongdoing, but that would only lead the Inquisitors to resort to various tortures to get him to confess. Then, while his hands were tied behind his back and his body lifted 12 feet in the air and then bounced up and down a few times, the poor fellow would recite a long list of real and imaginary "offenses." Then he was either publicly humiliated, and his family's property confiscated (half went to the king, the other half to the church), or burned alive at a mass Auto-de-fe, where attendance was bolstered by the church's promises of "spiritual blessings" for all who witnessed the slaughter.
Well, maybe this sort of justice is the best anyone had in Europe at the time, but it sure does show what can happen when religious lunatics get control of the judicial system.
04-20-2005, 10:11 PM #24Originally Posted by ***xxx***
Nowadays, according to Article 48 of the Apostolic Constitution on the Roman Curia, Pastor Bonus, promulgated by Quick Facts about: Pope John Paul II on June 28, 1988: "the duty proper to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is to promote and safeguard the doctrine on the faith and morals throughout the Catholic world: for this reason everything which in any way touches such matter falls within its competence."
The only real difference between this and what they used to do is that secular governments don't co-operate with the church to punish people for heresy -- at least, not the way they used to. But if the Church could imprison heretics, I'm sure it would.
Here's an interesting BTW . ..
In 1858, just a few years before the US Civil War, Pope Pius IX had the Church Police kidnap a child from his Jewish parents for religious reasons -- seems a Catholic had baptized the kid, and under Catholic law, Jews could not raise Christian children. Story at
A few years ago, the Inquisition issued a paper weighing in against homosexuality; and if they had their way, secular governments would have to establish laws against gays and lesbians. I'm glad that they don't.
So, Cheap Shot? No, not really. Just my opinion on an institution that wants to make life difficult for those who don't comply with its religious teachings.
04-21-2005, 12:21 AM #25Originally Posted by Tock
-Atheism has killed more in the name of its philosophy than christianity and all other world religions combined. The terrible things those people did in the name of christianity absolutly contradicted what Christ taught, therefor we cannot blame the christian philosophy for those atrocities. But, Atheism logically agrees with the atrocities done at Nazi Germany
-You dont know what you are talking.
-I believe you hate christianity because it scares you, what if it is true?
04-21-2005, 01:32 AM #26
I was trying to figure this out in class when the pope got elected....What does a pope do?
04-21-2005, 03:42 AM #27
I think it should have been a plack pope or a pope from south america, cause most of the catholics live in those countries.
the only reason I see for this German pope is that the church wants to become stronger in Europe again and hold Europe together. with dimishing social structures, more poverty and globalization a lot of ppl feel the need to recollect on former values and traditions.
@ massacre: the pope is the spiritual leader of the catholic church, he s running the smallest country of the world, the Vatican and his decisions areaffecting ober a billions follower...u as a cuban catholic should know this
04-21-2005, 04:42 AM #28Originally Posted by Tock
04-21-2005, 07:11 AM #29Originally Posted by max2extreme
04-21-2005, 01:22 PM #30Originally Posted by ***xxx***
04-21-2005, 02:39 PM #31Originally Posted by Lozgod
Really, what is your worldview?
04-21-2005, 08:29 PM #32Originally Posted by books555
04-21-2005, 08:30 PM #33Originally Posted by books555
04-21-2005, 08:38 PM #34Originally Posted by johan
Originally Posted by johan
04-22-2005, 12:48 AM #35Originally Posted by Tock
Yeah lets do it, I dont remember talking about it.
04-22-2005, 12:54 AM #36Originally Posted by Tock
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1934-39) more than13,000,000 (the purges)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) more than 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
More than all other religions put together.
04-22-2005, 04:48 AM #37
hitler thought of himself as a christian books. so those crimes wherent made by a atheist
04-22-2005, 04:52 AM #38Originally Posted by Tock
Originally Posted by Tock
The more influencial people like scienticst where I guess punished much harder.
04-26-2005, 10:36 PM #39Originally Posted by books555
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
And a few quotes from Mein Kampf
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.
In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another.
As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.
For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.
The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.
Have a look at a few interesting pictures... http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Hitler may not fit your definition of a "christian", but an atheist he wasn't, nor was the nazi party.
04-27-2005, 06:48 PM #40
interesting pictures,,, does anyone have any pics of the new pope in his Nazi attire ?
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