Thread: Where do you stand???
04-28-2005, 11:21 AM #1
Where do you stand???
AN ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT
A recent poll discovered that half of Americans know that the government intentionally lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The actual figure is probably a lot higher since there is a large percentage of Americans still willing to let their neighbors' children die than ever admit they were wrong to support the war in the first place. So, the majority of Americans know the government lied to create a war.
A majority of Americans now know there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that claims to the contrary were intentional lies.
A majority of Americans now know the US Government lied when it claimed Iraq's WMDs were a threat to the United States.
A majority of Americans now know the mainstream media lied when it claimed Iraq's WMDs were a threat to the United States.
A majority of Americans now know that the US Government has been torturing innocent Iraqis for information on WMDs the US Government already knew they could not possibly have.
A majority of Americans now know their government can and does engage in the most monstrous lies possible, and that hundred of thousands of people have been killed, crippled, and tortured for that lie.
How much of a majority is irrelevant. A majority is a majority is a majority.
Setting aside their access to inside information, the US Congress statistically should follow the public. A majority of them also know the war was started with a lie. It is perhaps understandable that the Congress has done nothing about these lies. They are, after all, complicit. One should not expect a gaggle of liars to impeach the liar in chief. Nor will the mainstream media be overly critical of those lies which they put into a hundred million homes.
But what I do not understand is how Americans, who pride themselves on their love of truth and justice, can continue to tolerate a government that they now know lied to start a war of conquest. What I do not understand is how Americans, who pride themselves on their love of truth and justice, can continue to tolerate a government that shows every indication of preparing to lie again about weapons of mass destruction to justify a war of conquest in Iran.
Do any of you still delude yourselves into thinking that a government that lied to send your children off to die in wars is working for your benefit; is in any way shape or form thinking of your welfare versus their own? Do you still think that this is YOUR government? Is it not more accurate to say that you are the government's property, your children mere livestock to be harvested when old enough, handed a rifle, and sent off to die when useful?
The Constitution does not explicitly authorize the government to lie to the people, and the tenth amendment forbids the government to arrogate that right to itself. Therefore, when the government lies, it acts illegally and unconstitutionally. When the government lies, it ceases by that very lie to be the lawful government of this land. When the government lies, it delegitimizes itself. When a government lies, it lies for its own benefit, not yours. When a government lies, it breaks faith with the people who empowered that government to provide for the common good, not for the privilege of a few.
If you accept that the US Government intentionally lied about weapons of mass destruction to take this nation to war in Iraq, then you must accept that the US Government, by the commission of that act, is no longer a legal government of the people, but an illegal occupation serving private interests. The majority of Americans now know that the US Government is criminal. They know that the US Government has lied to start wars of conquest, and that it has knowingly tortured innocent people because the lie required it. The majority of Americans now know that the US Government, unless stopped, will continue to do more of the same.
The Germans ended WW2 in shock at what their government had really been doing. Americans cannot claim that innocence. We DO know. The information has been available for a long time, and if this new poll is accurate, the majority of Americans know what their government is doing, and the rest of the world knows that Americans know. Get that? The whole world is watching to see what Americans will do now that most Americans know the government deliberately lied to start a war.
So, what will Americans do? Will they walk their talk, and fire the liars? Will they stand up like free human beings and refuse the dictates of an illegal government, or will they cower and send their children off to die, watching them walk up the chutes to the slaughterhouse without complaint, shrugging their shoulders that this is how life is supposed to be and there is no point in making a fuss about it? Will Americans go on paying more money for government than they do for anything else, yet refusing to hold that government to the same standards of truth-in-selling that they demand from a used-car salesman? Will they go on making do with less so that the government and its friends can have that much more? Will they continue to bow down saying, "Take our money, take our neighbors' children, and tell us what to think, oh lord! We know you really are just and moral because you threw Martha and Chong in jail!"
Or will Americans decide enough is enough? Will they decide that they cannot support a government that is criminal without being criminals themselves? Will they finally realize that they cannot claim to be a moral people if they do not have moral government?
No magazine puff-piece, no comic book, no movie can make America look great if, when the time calls for it, Americans fail to be a great people. Great people are willing to stand up to a government gone wrong, to force their government to be truthful and honest and moral. Great people know that freedom is impossible under a government that lies because lies are tools of enslavement, and that chains built of false beliefs hold slaves tighten than chains made of steel. Slaves will cower before a government they know lies to them, bless the face that lies to them, and ask for more. And now the world watches to see if Americans are a great people, or just slaves living under the delusion they are a free people.
Free men or slaves. Time to choose. The whole world is watching.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, -- The Declaration of Independence
04-28-2005, 11:25 AM #2
how do they know the govt lied about any of that? its all hearsay. most of america is ignorant.
04-28-2005, 11:28 AM #3
blah blah blah....I hate America....blah blah blah....
There, now everyone can quit reading this thread. That's all that is being said...
04-28-2005, 11:32 AM #4
Didn't most of this happen before W was elected for his 2nd term? The people knew about the faulty evidence for going to war in Iraq, which was probably the most contraversial point...but they still voted him and his government back into office. Hence, the current government is legal because that's who the American voters voted for, legally in a democratic election.
04-28-2005, 11:43 AM #5Originally Posted by jc3
blah blah blah......YOU hate America 'cause you don't care if we do the right thing.......in fact YOU hate humanity
04-28-2005, 12:08 PM #6
Ok then, you win. I will now strap a bomb to myself and blow myself up in a shopping mall. That will be the right thing and then I will love humanity....
Does that make you happy Mr. Traitor?
And if you want, you can help. Just undue my pants and then you can blow me up....
04-28-2005, 12:09 PM #7
This political forum always gets out of hand doesn't it....full of issues that are so controversial and deeply divided...
04-28-2005, 12:12 PM #8
Juddman...yes it does. I probably shouldn't act like I just did, but I do sometimes get p*ssed in here. People act like such haters that I can't stand it. Using useless infomation most of the time....
04-28-2005, 12:16 PM #9
Imagine if WE were invaded beacuase we supposedly were a threat to China.......
think you might be incensed?? We went on alot of intel from people with axes to grind.......kinda obvious it would be wrong. How about we invade China because of human rights violations??? I'm not anti-American.....I'm anti-stupid......and the Iraq invasion was just plain stupid.....both times
04-30-2005, 10:22 PM #10Originally Posted by Badgerman
If it was stupid both times do you think we should have let Saddam overrun Kuwait the first time and kill all those people and have mass graves of their bodies buried out in the desert. Or was that a stupid move to prevent that, and we should have let them died because thats their problem?
05-01-2005, 01:04 AM #11
bla bla bla
people with no notions of logic and fact should not be allowed to have an opinion on these matters.
I hate you all equally!
I had that dream where Bush nuked the Mid West! I really dreamed that
05-01-2005, 02:47 AM #12
I personaly think we should let countries decimate eachother on their own terms... Look where its taken the world so far... Every country has had civil wars and although the time for healing after all the wounds were inflicted was different every country, each learned a better way of dealing with war because of it. Look at Japan, Britan, Germany, and Russia for example.
Thoughts? Of course nuclear weapons are out of the question, yet they still are and will always be here.
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