Thread: Big Threat Here......
05-14-2005, 04:40 PM #1
Big Threat Here......
Pretty sad when the US is paralyzed by a Cessna 150 off course......imagine how easy it would be for a fast aircraft like a Learjet or Civilian warbird to penetrate DC.
It's all a smokescreen......nothing is more secure than it ever was.
Report: FAA to punish pilot who violated airspace
Saturday, May 14, 2005 Posted: 1:14 PM EDT (1714 GMT)
The Cessna was forced to land by military aircraft after it entered restricted air space.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government is pledging to take serious action against the pilot whose small plane strayed over Washington last week, leading to the panicked evacuations of the White House, the Capitol and the Supreme Court, a newspaper reported Saturday.
"Any enforcement action we might take is not done lightly," said Greg Martin, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration. An investigation could result in the revocation of Hayden "Jim" Sheaffer Jr.'s pilot's license.
Sheaffer, 69, froze when a Black Hawk helicopter appeared near his right wing as he was flying toward the White House and had a hard time handling his small aircraft, officials told The Washington Post.
Student pilot Troy D. Martin, who was also in the single-engine Cessna 150, does not have a pilot certificate, so he will not be subject to the same action.
"It's quite evident from anybody who witnessed Wednesday's incident that the pilot clearly had no idea what he wandered into," Greg Martin said Saturday.
Troy Martin, 36, who had logged only 30 hours of flight time, took over the controls and landed the plane at an airport in Frederick, Maryland, the Post reported Saturday.
Sheaffer and Martin took off from Smoketown, Pennsylvania, on Wednesday to go to an air show in Lumberton, North Carolina.
Their plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it. Alert levels at the White House and the Capitol were raised to their highest level -- red.
Customs officials had scrambled a Black Hawk helicopter, which peeled away when two F-16 fighter jets arrived at the scene. The jets dipped their wings -- a pilot's signal to "follow me" -- and tried to contact the pilot on the radio. When the Cessna didn't change course, the jet pilots dropped flares.
Finally, when the Cessna came within three miles of the White House -- just a few minutes flying time -- it altered course.
After landing in Frederick, the pilot and student pilot were handcuffed and questioned before being released. Authorities said the two had become lost.
Sheaffer and Martin have not been available for comment.
Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before operating an aircraft, the Post reported, citing FAA records. He failed to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions.
Greg Martin, the FAA spokesman, would not confirm the Post's account.
05-16-2005, 01:00 AM #2
New laser activating system will be up and
running at the end of the month. As for
the instructor with no liscence, handing the
controls over to his student...just a moron
looking for NC.
Fighter planes were 2 steps from firing...
collateral damage or not!!
05-16-2005, 01:36 AM #3
Imagine how quick a private jet could impact a sports stadium......scarey really.......and it would fry many more people than 911......especially games away from any military facility.....like I say....I believe any feeling of safety is an illusion......the crazies can always scare the sheep.......the crazies have nothing to lose......the sheep are all settled into their cozy little lives....that's why we are so easily frightened and over-react.......like the Cessna 150 incident.
05-16-2005, 01:46 AM #4
Anything is possible. Its avoiding it thats hard...
But I dont think were crazy, or scared...
overreacting?? really?? what would u be
saying if the story were the other?
AMERICA IS BRAVE AND BOLD BABY!!
Rememeber..they only have to be right once, we
need to get it right 100% of time to prevent another 9/11
But a big event is bound to happen...I hope not, and
so should U.
05-16-2005, 01:47 AM #5
The crazies say BOO......and we scatter like scared little boys......kinda like the wierdo with the sniper rifle.......the nut cases take us out of our psychologicol comfort zone......that's why terrorism is way more effective than it should be.......that's why we spend BILLIONS blowing up $20 mud huts.......ridiculouis really.
05-16-2005, 01:54 AM #6Originally Posted by SS1476
05-16-2005, 01:55 AM #7
Well...we can go on forever, but I feel and understand
all opinions. Money is no problem and should not even
be an issue. Matter at hand is whats important..mud hut
rat hole, whatever...take it them!!
05-16-2005, 02:01 AM #8
No...bases are needed to protect all those
that expect it, and are too proud to ask
for it.And yes...AMERICA needs to be the
stabalizing backbone for this world.
WHY IS IT THAT EVERY FOREIGNER WANTS TO COME TO AMERICA??
BTW...Im first generation here, and proud of it
The world would not survive without AMERICA leading the way..IMO
Were needed, were not asking to be appreciated.
Everyone wants to be free...
The saudis need us, they are fighting for their
kingdom, and U should respect that. They want
us their, u know that...
As for the french, F*ck them! I live 2 miles from
a base. The "warhogs" will handle the little
they have. Hows that economy over there now that
Chirac has lost his buddy in Iraq?? LOL..the french...
05-16-2005, 02:03 AM #9Originally Posted by SS1476
Money no problem???.....with the deficit we have right now.....you must be joking!!???
We are just falling into their strategy of bankrupting our nation......
sad to see really.....but everything will get sorted out......there will be some sheep and some goats.......it'll be intteresting to see the sorting process.
05-16-2005, 02:06 AM #10
They chop heads.
We should what?
Do you know what Wahabism<sp> is?
There no talking to radicals...
05-16-2005, 02:11 AM #11Originally Posted by Badgerman
but lets not forget the recession that Clinton
gave up, 9/11, enron....c'mon, shuld i go on..or is that Bush's fault too??
Reagan said..deficits dont matter...You know what, I agree.Now at this time in americas history, do what it takes to get it done.
Interest rates will go up for sure. But America's home
ownership is a record high. Good things dont last forever
they go up and down...economy has been doing this
Unemplyment rate DOWN.... lower than Clinton
05-16-2005, 11:17 AM #12Originally Posted by SS1476
problems with the french?
05-16-2005, 03:12 PM #13Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
Its the FRENCH that were aiding and abedding the ruthless
Chirac and him are close, and U know Chirac promised his
bend over buddy to Veto anything AMERICA does..LOL The french..Like they have any power besides a seat on the security council...LOL given to them from America.c'mon...
OIL FOR FOOD SCANDAL <---says it all !!
Dont be insulted, your obviously French and were interested
in my reply. Im honest..they are no help, and WWII was a blur to them...the french....please....
05-17-2005, 01:05 AM #14Originally Posted by SS1476
Funny thing is that until the war (and to this day) the US has been Iraq's biggest trading partner...
From your governments CIA world factbook:
Exports - partners: US 45.4%, Taiwan 8.8%, Canada 8.1%, Jordan 7.8%, Italy 7.4%, Morocco 4.9%, Brazil 4% (2003)
Exports - commodities: crude oil (83.9%), crude materials excluding fuels (8.0%), food and live animals (5.0%)
Oil - exports: 1.49 million bbl/day (2004 est.)
I always laugh when I read Americans blasting the French or Germans for "doing business with iraq for cheap oil" when your own goverments numbers prove that the US was BY FAR Irak's biggest customer and trading partner.
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Last edited by Red Ketchup; 05-17-2005 at 01:09 AM.
05-17-2005, 03:49 AM #15Originally Posted by SS1476
do you realy belive that
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