05-15-2005, 04:20 PM #1
Quoran Toliet incident: no evidence
NEW YORK - Newsweek magazine has apologized for errors in a story alleging that interrogators at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Quran, saying it would re-examine the accusations, which sparked outrage and deadly protests in Afghanistan.
Fifteen people died and scores were injured in violence between protesters and security forces, prompting U.S. promises to investigate the allegations.
"We regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers caught in its midst," Newsweek Editor Mark Whitaker wrote in a note to readers.
In an issue dated May 9, the magazine reported that U.S. military investigators had found evidence that interrogators placed copies of Islam's holy book in washrooms and had flushed one down the toilet to get inmates to talk.
Whitaker wrote that the magazine's information came from "a knowledgeable U.S. government source," and before publishing the item, writers Michael Isikoff and John Barry sought comment from two Defense Department officials. One declined to respond, and the other challenged another part of the story but did not dispute the Quran charge, Whitaker said.
But on Friday, a top Pentagon spokesman told the magazine that a review of the military's investigation concluded "it was never meant to look into charges of Quran desecration. The spokesman also said the Pentagon had investigated other desecration charges by detainees and found them 'not credible.'"
Also, Whitaker added, the magazine's original source later said he could not be sure he read about the alleged Quran incident in the report they cited, and that it might have been in another document.
"Top administration officials have promised to continue looking into the charges, and so will we," Whitaker wrote.
Following the report, demonstrations spread across Afghanistan, and Islamic leaders gathered to pass a resolution calling for anyone found to have abused the Quran to be punished. Many of the 520 inmates at Guantanamo are Muslims arrested during the U.S.-led war against the Taliban and its al-Qaida allies in Afghanistan.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said in an interview for CNN's "Late Edition" that the allegations were being investigated "vigorously."
"If it turns out to be true, obviously we will take action against those responsible," he said.
05-15-2005, 11:52 PM #2
Just another liberal media plot.....idiots had no
clue what that would cause!! NOW THEY DO!!
05-16-2005, 11:59 AM #3Retired Vet
Originally Posted by SS1476
- Join Date
- Nov 2001
Have to agree with you there.
05-16-2005, 12:25 PM #4
yep liberal media GOOFED ! but they will never realize the graveness of the situation , URBAN LEGEND nothing against what u r saying , about there being no evidence , just a thought though people (muslims) who already know that there were prisioners being not treated right (and proven also) by the USA military in iraq and guatanamo bay ............. are less likely to not believe an incident (evidence or no evidence) happening such as this one ............. makes sense ?
05-16-2005, 01:28 PM #5Originally Posted by ZOAIB
I understand completely, this is why the situation is such a mess.
05-16-2005, 02:02 PM #6Originally Posted by ZOAIB
What about Daniel perlle and other Americans and
non americans that were be-headed?? well..??
Prisoners not treated right?? Your not helping any cause with
words like that. Listen to yourself..P R I S O N E R S. Would U rather
have them in a third world country treating them the way
radicals treat their prey??
STOP ...STOP the ABU GRAIB Cr@p...not treated right...what tea 10x/day,
what do you want for them? full course meals, vacation time...This is holy war brought on by them, they belong there. The few that were released, were only to be found again on the battle fields..
Did AL QAUEDA or the radicals hold to the GENOVA rules?? STOP!!!
The New your Times speaks of Abu Graib enough.
Please...if anyone wants to talk facts..go right ahead.
But I will not listen to "talking points" repeated over and over again.
BE-HEADING after BE-HEADING, U worry about a few frat soldiers, from over a year ago..sure,U pick and choose, so can we....but we dont, WE HELP!!!!
05-16-2005, 02:24 PM #7Originally Posted by SS1476
yes prisioners thats what i said or u can say POWs since this is a war ....... now if u r comparing this with the radicals beheading some soldiers and civlians , so if i am getting this right u r saying what WE DID to the prisoners in abu ghraib or guatanamo bay is far less so its OKAY , i thought WE were setting an example for the rest of the world and not sinking to their level at the least ............... your statement is the thinking of those soldiers who shamed America by doing what they did , my point here is not that if that was deserved by those people or not , my point is can we stop the STOOPIDS among us from doing us more damage ................ any sense ?
05-16-2005, 03:48 PM #8
sigh... damn media reporters trying to make a buck or two...
05-16-2005, 03:53 PM #9
I approve of nothing going on
at Gitmo..not at all. But they are
small and minute incidents far
between each other, and blown out
of proportion by many Iman's<sp>.
How many soldiers were involved with
the INFAMOUS PICTURES of private
England and a dog leash...that was insuting.
This was caused by a few only. General Karpinski
was responsible for that prison, she neglected to keep
I approve of nothing there.
I do not feel that be-heading justifies what U think is taking place..not at all
They are not POW's...they are no part of the GENEVA CONVECTION<sp>. They are enemy combatants being held until further notice.
We sink to no level, we set the BAR!!
05-16-2005, 05:00 PM #10Originally Posted by SS1476
05-16-2005, 05:12 PM #11Originally Posted by saboudian
first CBS..Bye Dan
05-16-2005, 07:12 PM #12
If these people treated prisoners in Abu Gharib like animals, I am sure they did those things to the Holy Quran.
And yes terrorists that behead civilians are animals also, but they will get their lesson in hell.
05-16-2005, 07:18 PM #13Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
your determination, but U are convinced of
only what U want to hear. U keep repeating the
same things over and over and over again....
U are sure they did those things to the coran....do you know why
U are so convinced, even though the story was BULLSH!T
Well..do you know why your so SURE....?
explain it, but not repeating what u said. Expalin why
u are SOOO convinced they did this to the coran.. enlighten me..Do U have video?
Was AL JAZEERA There?
BTW...what do u do for a living?
05-16-2005, 07:27 PM #14Originally Posted by SS1476
I dont do anything for a living, I am a student. And I am a assistant to my father, who is a Chechan/Ex-Soviet Union Countries Diplomat.
05-16-2005, 07:37 PM #15
NOTHING...i never said that I was convinced either way..
Its a BS story...and only meant to bring this
reaction out from you.
The infedels<sp> are nothing in your
world...what I say wont matter. Your young, your father
would want a better life for u, but its yours to do what U
want with it.
Your conviced of what U want to believe...I wish U well
05-16-2005, 07:38 PM #16
BTW..many people do respect Muslims...dont
say things like that!!
05-16-2005, 07:39 PM #17
...were trying to focus on "radicals" here...not
peacefull people waiting for the drama to stop,not
all muslims hate America, and the "infedels"....
05-16-2005, 07:44 PM #18Originally Posted by SS1476
I am just speaking the truth. I will call the US false when it is false, and when it does the right thing I will say its the right thing.
If you saw some of my other posts, I hate Arab leadership the most, even more than American or Israeli leadership.
05-16-2005, 07:49 PM #19
Well that is good to hear. I traveled to this forum
for venting,but plan to spend more time here reading up.
Dont use the phrase US as a whole, because of a few
idiots with a camera..USA does many good thing.
Billions of Billions of dollars to help 3rd world countries.
USA is needed in this world...and U know it.But Im glad
to hear you have several freinds of a different VARIETY
05-16-2005, 08:03 PM #20Originally Posted by ZOAIB
Anyone see that movie "swordfish" where Travolta is fighting terrorists. Remember that speach around the end of the movie... "We fight for americas freedoms... they take out and american tourist we take out ten, they bomb an airplane we bomb an entire airport, they attack our people we tactically nuke an entire city... we will make harbouring terrorists so horrific that no country would do it" (Thats not the entire speech or word for word im going from what I remember). But I See it this way they wanna attack/torture/be-head our citizens/military then they deserve what they get.
And who the **** cares that they flushed the quran its a f*cking book get over it... when I used to be christian I wouldnt have cared if someone burned/flushed the bible it a book and nothing more!!!
05-16-2005, 09:53 PM #21Originally Posted by saboudian
Ya, just goes to show ya what can happen when you speak before you have the complete story, or accept something for true before you check on the claims . . .
05-16-2005, 09:57 PM #22Originally Posted by Angelis
05-16-2005, 10:11 PM #23Originally Posted by Angelis
The hatred goes deeper than a book (which is big) not
being flushed down a toilet. It would never work to
begin with, but theres no mentioning that. Even the smallest version
of the coran wont "flush" down a toilet...too big IMO
The hatred goes to Israel/Palestine conflict. Suicide bombers
are not the answer. Sadaam rewarding...REWARDING suicide bombings
families. Bulldozing down the homes are not the answer.
Like I said in the other thread..
-IRAN NEXT <------ no nukes for u...sorry
-SYRIA <-----the little zit occupying Lebanon
The "book" incident is just fire bro...anything
could be said and taken with the same reaction.
Its not going to be a pretty ride, Iraq will control
herself, only matter of time.
If other countries cared at all...
where's the help LOL COWARDS....We got it.
Russia on the take
France on the take + a bonus for Chirac (french people are not happy)
Too much corruption...that lead to the suffering of the Iraqi
people, only to be blamed on Bush and the US..LOL where was bush then?? He hasnt been president for ever like some...we vote here.
Sadaam selling everything to build ugly palaces... why...
Iraquis know who is helping and who isnt, and why they are not.
All in time, All in time....
THANK U LIBERAL MEDIA...Way to Fuel A Fire..
GOD BLESS FOX NEWS
Notice how no one mentions the D-WORD ?
I talk too much..I mean type
05-17-2005, 08:40 AM #24Originally Posted by Tock
05-17-2005, 10:03 AM #25Originally Posted by Angelis
05-17-2005, 10:04 AM #26
BY THE WAY i agree with u tock , that is something none of the flaring extremists thought before goign on a rampage of outbursts on the streets , LOL
05-17-2005, 10:07 AM #27Originally Posted by SS1476
Keep targeting Arab/Muslim states and see where that gets you.
Syria doesnt occupy Lebanon any more, so no more excuses.
And Iran will get nukes, sooner of later. I respect Persian intelligence, and they will figure out a way to have nukes.
05-17-2005, 12:02 PM #28
Arab nations led by islamist fundamentalists with NUKES!!!!!!!! I guess we can expect a mushroom cloud every time a toilet flushes, and probably whenever Ayatollah chokes his chicken.
05-17-2005, 12:10 PM #29Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
05-17-2005, 02:27 PM #30Originally Posted by Ridla
05-17-2005, 10:29 PM #31Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
What is so difficult to understand. Dont try to sit there
'saying I am singling out Muslims nations. North Korea was mentioned by me...in your thread.... So chill the fu*k out!! Read thoughrouly...I TOLD THIS 3 times already. Your too busy to quickly reply
with propoganda, never even bothering to read what I type.
China will handle north Korea..dont worry, U'll be OK, America will
do it they dont!!!
..If u have balls, bring them here to the states,dont
dare threaten through a keyboard...BOY. YOur a radical
plain and simple. U hear what U want to hear...plain and simple.
You care about nothhing besides bashing america. You are so
****!ng obsessed with america U really dont know what going
stuck in a thrid world.
Your sarcam is heard loud and clear, and I wont stand for it. U act
as if IRAN is going to save something, what...Iran BLOWS...DO U HEAR ME!!!
U know damn fu*king well why IRAN wants a nuke or2, dont play
stupid RPG boy. They want to destroy Isreale...is your dream u wish this..
BE A MAN AND CONFESS TO THAT..
Syria could su*k my balls. Dont play stupid...U know the
"secret police are there" still. U act as if they have been gone
for some time, they left recently, and not complely.
SO READ NEXT TIME< DONT RUSH TO POST PROPOGANDA!!
REMEMBER IRAQ's NUCLEAR REACTOR ?? lol
GOODD -VS- EVIL RPG boy<----you know who wins
05-18-2005, 05:09 AM #32Originally Posted by SS1476
05-20-2005, 12:21 AM #33Originally Posted by ZOAIB
#2 I am not disgusted when people burn my flag but if they threaten my peoeple I act accordingly to protect, but when they attack my people it is time for retribution, and if your hiding the terrorists I wont hesitate to kill you as well (you in the general sense).
#3 I have no hatred for anyone unless they attack me or my friends/family/country
And if all americans where like me no one would dare F*ck with us bcs they know they wouldnt survive and retribution would be ten times worse!!!
05-20-2005, 09:15 AM #34Originally Posted by Angelis
so basically there is no end to it .............
05-20-2005, 12:17 PM #35Originally Posted by SS1476
If Israel can have Nukes so can Iran.
Either make the Middle East a complete Nuclear free zone, including Israel. Or not. But if Israel can have it, so can Iran.
GOODD -VS- EVIL RPG boy<----you know who wins
05-20-2005, 05:42 PM #36
Iran does not need nuclear power for
protection from the "aggresors", the "aggressors"
are freeing and hepling muslims that did not, or DO NOT
want to live under tyrany. I though they needed nuclear
power for the electricity.... Listen..were all
adults here.. You can simply admit why they want it..Im not
being sarcastic, but we all know what their intentions are.
Iran is looking to gain respect, and be considered a "big dog" in
the world..thats not going to happen. Iran has evil intent
not friendly intent, if were going to discuss this, we need to
be honest about this point.
Anyone remember when the Iran highjacked an AMERICAN
airliner and held 300 or so hostages for what..a year?? c'mon..
RONALD REAGEN was elected, and they quickly new that
release was in their best interest.
IRAN SPONSORS STATE TERRORISM....I REPEAT...IRAN
SPONSORS STATE TERRORISM.
Does anyone argue or disagree with that statement above
without "filabustering" an answer??
Iran cannot obtain nuclear weapons...period. I know it upsets
U RPG, but its the way it has to be. Weather they do or not..
we shall see, I hope to God they do not, it wilL not CREATE
A STABLE MIDDLE EAST, IT WILL BECOME WORSE. IRAN IS NOW
THREATENED WITH FOREIGN TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ.
BUT...LETS NOT FORGET HERE, USA IS NOT THE COUNTRY PUSHING
THIS ONLY...GREAT BRITAIN AND Good ole' FRANCE AND GERMANY
ARE ALSO AT THREAT HERE.
We all need to be honest about this Iran does not have
peaceful intentions, if they did...they would not be decieveing
the UN...I repeat they WOULD NOT BE DECIEVING THE UNITED NATIONS
China will handle North Korea, they like to make
USA sweat, but were not...lol. Kim jun Ill is a fool, and
hes been acting like a spoiled brat since Bill Clinton helped
him, and he "re-nigged" on his deal. He did not hold
up tot his end, and he expects George W. Bush to help him.
KIM jun Ill expects the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to simply
fall for a bribe...LOL c'mon bro, what are u thinking here...were not
going to cater to a poiled brat looking for handouts.
AMERICA PAYS MORE IN AID THAT ANY OTHER COUNTRY EVEN THE RICH ARAB WORLDS DO NOT CONTRIBUTE ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DOES....NO ONE!! DO WE COMPLAIN....NO....
Doe anyone disagreee with that????
RPG< who says Isreal has nukes?? Iran will not
make it safer, U know this, they want to destroy Isreal but U think
the simple argument u offfer is logical. It's not. If I ran had those
intentions,they would go about it a completely honest way..do U argue with
this point?? please answer this...
The propoganda, is simply that propoganda...
Dont even say Sadaamn in his "tighty whitys" is insulting....
05-20-2005, 07:58 PM #37Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
05-20-2005, 09:05 PM #38Originally Posted by SS1476
I dunno if other country's foreign aid comes with strings attached or not, but even if it does, the strings aren't attached to military/war materials the way that US "charity" does.
05-20-2005, 09:07 PM #39Originally Posted by Angelis
Hardly the crowd I'd call "friends" or "trustworthy."
05-20-2005, 09:33 PM #40Originally Posted by SS1476
there is a saying " u cannot tell someone from not doing something which u do it yourself " ....................
fact # 1 Iran has not used it nukes against anyone
fact # 2 suspicion is no bases for anything until proven guilty
fact # 3 USA supplied warfare stuff to iraq when it was at war with iran to kick the shit out of them
fact # 4 NO wonder USA doesnt feels easy about them having nukes .
my friend u live in a hypocratic world , and no matter how much good USA has done most of it is doen in its own good interests , and there is enough bad done on our behalf against many nations and people ................ one of the main reasons whey everyone hates USA ................
there is a difference b/w patriots and realists .............. patriots will make everything about thier country look good even if its bad , they cannot have a negative view ( u fit this profile , and nothign wrong with it ) realists live and read b/w the lines and see the whole picture ............... and no way u can find common grounds to anythign at all ....................... b/w the 2 views .
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